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Don't think so because Terry is a pretty big guy well into the 200lb range. When his 135 set the 1/4 mile record he had Hot Rod 182 drive it to cut down on weight.
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:41 AM
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Without a turbo change there will not likely be a significant restriction reduction and actually what you might see is a drop in boost, cuz boost is made via back pressure, and usually there is less than a 50°drop in intake temp post ic, usually stock coolers are perfect for stock turbos, even if they have been tuned to allow for.more boost( on variable geometry turbos) if intake temps are a concern i have seen several times a throttle position activated switch, usually opens close to w.o.t, hooked to a nos bottle or h2o meth, that enters the intake air stream pre and sometime post ic, this set up has had great success in lowering intake air temps, i have seen 400°+ reduction in egt's (exhaust gas temp) in racing diesels along with as much as 200 hp increases and 1.2 sec faster 1/4 mi, without changing out the stock intercooler, if anything, the biggest reasons to change out an intercooler would be if the cooler uses plastic endtanks, or if you are adding a bigger turbo, usually they dont hold up once you add more boost than the car left the factory with, cuz usually the core of the cooler will just crimp over the edge of the plastic endtank and the only real seal is provided by a rubber o ring, these are usually good for up to 30psI but not for long, and boost leaks can be devastating, difficult and frustrating to track down

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Old 04-13-2013, 10:17 AM
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Pretty sure the M Sport package option that is included on the 335is has the "sport" suspension and the 335i has "standard".

I am looking over the BMW Permance Suspension and the description says the following...

"At the heart of performance is handling. And how well a BMW handles is directly influenced by its suspension. The BMW Performance Suspension lets you savor every curve and every corner like never before! This sport suspension set-up is reflected visually by the BMW Performance Yellow springs. This new aggressive package lowers the vehicle by 25 mm compared to the standard suspension and by 10mm when compared to the sport suspension. Spring rates are increased 48% compared to standard suspension and 34% compared to the sports suspension"

That's true unless the 335i has the sport option. Then, identical.

BMW Performance Suspension can't never be real good 'cause:
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Congrats!
Thanks - fortunate enough to test drive them both, same dealer. Granted I only took them out for 15 minute spins, really didn't feel it with the M3 sedan. (roughly a 10K premium) Coming off an 11 STi, I was looking for offline response, and fluidity. The kicker was that 2 other people were chomping for the 335is while I was doing the test drive, both test drove the M3 while I waited for my paperwork to be finalized, and both wanted to know if I was doing the deal. Needless to say, somebody had to settle!
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Hi Guys and Girls. This is my first post on this site. I'm an active member of the Porsche forum called Rennlist. I'm in the process of selling my 1986 Porsche 944 Turbo that I have spent a ton building a new motor for. Dyno'd at over 400 rwhp. Anyhow, I love the car but the platform is almost 30 years old and I want something newer.

I had an 07 335i sedan when they first came out and aside from the HPFP problem, it was a great car.

I'm looking at either an 11 or 12 335is or an 08 or 09 M3. They are similar in price. I'd get the DCT because it'll be my daily driver and a traditional manual in metro Atlanta traffic isn't a good choice.

I know a ton about both cars, driven both cars, love both cars. I know there is more potential in the 335is for modifications but the M3 is just a sick car.

I'd like peoples thoughts on what they would do.

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I'd buy a 5 series lol

But if i had to chose one of those m3 of course.

Why do you need mod potential I'd you already have a built 944.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:33 PM
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Thanks - fortunate enough to test drive them both, same dealer. Granted I only took them out for 15 minute spins, really didn't feel it with the M3 sedan. (roughly a 10K premium) Coming off an 11 STi, I was looking for offline response, and fluidity. The kicker was that 2 other people were chomping for the 335is while I was doing the test drive, both test drove the M3 while I waited for my paperwork to be finalized, and both wanted to know if I was doing the deal. Needless to say, somebody had to settle!

Well, did you take M3 well above 4000 rpm? If not, you missed the hotness that time.

Also, do some spirited cornering....be sure tire pressure's right....Halleluiah!

Of course, if you want down low grunt stretchin' right up to redline like no N54/55 will ever have, supercharger's available.

Hey....why not Porsche? Handles better anyway.

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Think the point is for a DD the IS is a better package overall than an M3. Additionally it takes more than a basic supercharger bolt-on for an M3 to out run an N54 on the strip or street. The M3 will be better than a stock suspended N54 during a track day but a good suspension mod could change that. The N54 does not need to out corner the M3 just be close enough for government work. Of course without proper cooling the N54 might heat soak before the M3.

Was leaning big time toward the new M4 Turbo but then they stuck an American flag in my face with the new Stingray convertible.
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I've owned plenty of DD's and weekend cars to figure out that a $10k premium and 10K more on the odo (M3) does not make sense to me in terms remaining warranty and post warranty maintenance.. The IS in my opinion offers what I want - for now.

@calwaterboy - yeah , almost did pull the trigger on 2008 997 - way more miles and not as many indy shops in my area.
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Old 04-14-2013, 12:22 PM
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IMHO DD on M3 is much better car overall compare with IS.
Based on my experience with a number of M3 drivers it seems to be a common misconception & not in one case did I pick the fight. Best one was the guy who followed me out of the Performance BMW dealer in Cary then jumped the line to get infront on me to get to the 540 on ramp first.

Think he was disappointed when I hung with him through the curve then drove around him when the ramp straightened out. Two more goes & he decided to wave me over too buy some coffee for us & look under my hood.

Was nothing there of note for him to see but all in all he was a very nice guy who invited me to the next coffee & donuts thing. Your results may vary.
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eeeeeew,the thought of a automatic BMW 335 or M3 is appalling. Being an ex Porsche owner myself I cannot understand why you'd consider an automatic transmission.

I live the bad traffic thing in DC so I understand the auto tranny idea. But not in an BMW. Get a beat-up japanese "cafe racer" for your daily bump and grind and drive your good metal the rest of the time. I can tell you up front, that after you built that monster motor for your 944, you are not going to let your BMW stay stock for long. And you'll soon miss the shift and regret driving a slosh box.

Never Mind, just read your post that you bought a 335. And I can't delete this post. One thing is a fact though, you will enjoy your driving experience.

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test drove an 11 M3 sedan and 11 335is

335is came home
LMAO ! Same experience here, had either a choice of going with a DCT M3 or DCT 335is
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Think the point is for a DD the IS is a better package overall than an M3. Additionally it takes more than a basic supercharger bolt-on for an M3 to out run an N54 on the strip or street. The M3 will be better than a stock suspended N54 during a track day but a good suspension mod could change that. The N54 does not need to out corner the M3 just be close enough for government work. Of course without proper cooling the N54 might heat soak before the M3.

Was leaning big time toward the new M4 Turbo but then they stuck an American flag in my face with the new Stingray convertible.

I yearn for the days when blowers were bonnet pass-through bolt-ons, and a big Rat Fink on that!

A guy knew where he stood, then. Dang turbos.



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I've owned plenty of DD's and weekend cars to figure out that a $10k premium and 10K more on the odo (M3) does not make sense to me in terms remaining warranty and post warranty maintenance.. The IS in my opinion offers what I want - for now.

@calwaterboy - yeah , almost did pull the trigger on 2008 997 - way more miles and not as many indy shops in my area.

Shucks son, get a 335i and slip JB4 right in. Faster! Rewardingly priced! Identical suspension!
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I honestly don't understand why everyone says the M3 isn't a good DD. I rev to 3,000 RPM and I'm averaging 17.6 MPG with a mix of highway and city driving. The M3 pulls like a freight train after 3k while the N55 falls flat on it's face around 5.5k. Not to mention the noise. Oh lawdy, the noise.
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I honestly don't understand why everyone says the M3 isn't a good DD. I rev to 3,000 RPM and I'm averaging 17.6 MPG with a mix of highway and city driving. The M3 pulls like a freight train after 3k while the N55 falls flat on it's face around 5.5k. Not to mention the noise. Oh lawdy, the noise.
The comparison is with the "is" which does not have the N55. It all comes down to each individual's driving and many are not choosing the M3
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Either one is a fine choice..Obviously. So much debate....I chose the "Is" for insurance purposes & no freakin guzzler tax as I pay enough taxes without that insult & by the way love my ride.
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And not that you do need more power but if you do, spend under $1000 and you're above what M3 can do.
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I honestly don't understand why everyone says the M3 isn't a good DD. I rev to 3,000 RPM and I'm averaging 17.6 MPG with a mix of highway and city driving. The M3 pulls like a freight train after 3k while the N55 falls flat on it's face around 5.5k. Not to mention the noise. Oh lawdy, the noise.
The other side of the story on normal DD is no need to even run to 3,000rpm with 414ftlbs at 1800rpm my car pulls like a freight train off idle. Actually the 335is dynos show a flat horsepower curve from 5500 to over 6500rpm.

I shift at 6250rpm but shift points are meaningless because the M3 needs to wind up to 7K before its making power. The M3 power band is quite peaky at 4000rpm its only making 200whp so its weak down where a DD drives. All inside Raleigh driving 22mpg although talking about gas mileage on a performance car us kind of an oxymoron.

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Ha! That's a lot of power, I have to start modding mine since you have jb4 ill get cobb and see if I make more power than you!
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^^^^^

Just make sure if you get a COBB hand held you also invest in a Pro-Tune or else you will be just be an M3 look-a-like. Based on the other two 335is dynos running the same alpha software & 40% E85 mix that I use I would expect my next dyno runs to be around 395/400whp & 420/425ftlbs.

My prior best dynos have been 375whp & 414ftlbs. I know the newer G5/ISO version is stronger than my older JB4 but the butt dyno is always subject to the placebo effect when you make a big change in technology.
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Just make sure if you get a COBB hand held you also invest in a Pro-Tune or else you will be just be an M3 look-a-like.
if I ever do it I will run their stage 1abd fmic, I read it makes good power, not sure if anyone here tried it. im not sure Pro-tune is the way to go to gain a few HP and pay as much as jb4 will cost you
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Agree it depends on what your goals are & how far you want to take the car. I think or is it I hope I am at a point just below where you start to break things. I want a nice quick car but no longer race so getting the last 1/10 is no longer that important to me.

If you do elect at some point to go to a Pro-Tune I would recommend the guys at PTF. IMHO they are the best COBB tuners around.
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My goals seem similar to yours, I'm not tracking the car and at some point want a little more kick the stage 1and fmic map seems what I need, that is if I don't choose jb4. Haven seen a dyno though on a 335is with a cobb stage 1+fmic...
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