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Old 10-01-2013, 06:29 AM
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2014 535i MSport - First impressions from a new member

New member and previous owner of a 2011 535i Sport. I’ve had my Azurite Black 535i MT MSport now for 3 weeks. I had a laundry list of complaints on my 2011 and every one of them has been addressed with the 2014. It’s like I am driving a completely different car! My observations below:

Suspension – definitely stiffer and sportier even in comfort mode, I feel like I am driving a BMW again

Engine/drivetrain – If I didn’t know it I would swear that I had both an increase in horsepower (more than just the 300 to 306) and torque. Wow!, acceleration and torque are noticeably improved, again much more sporty. Even an improvement on shift feel. Manual gear shifts are smoother with just the right amount of resistance.

Steering – Much better. Weighting is more natural and road feel greatly improved especially in normal/comfort mode. Only criticism: BMW still does not get it that heavier steering does not translate to sporty. Heavier steering makes the steering less tactile. As a result where as I like to have the increase in throttle response in sport mode, I hate the stiffer steering. Normal/comfort mode has improved so much that I can stay there.

Black panel gauges and Nav screen – Huge improvement. Black panel allows for a crisp white display in the daytime which is a huge visual improvement vs the painted gauges. All displays are crisper and graphics are excellent, combined with some of the aluminum flourishes the interior definitely feels upgraded

Sport steering wheel – awesome, great thickness and design makes the car feel much more sporty (which it was greatly lacking). Great visibility for gauges

Multi Contour Seats – Movable side bolsters definitely add to the sport feel, they are great!

Bonus features – the ability to fold down the entire back seat is a huge benefit. Center console removal big plus

Ivory White Nappa Leather – much better in person, in the pictures it played much lighter, in reality it is a great color especially since they kept the lower cabin sections black. The contrast is superb and will help keep it clean

Azurite Black Metallic is beautiful and I believe a big improvement over Carbon Black

Future mods: lowering springs, 3D Design front spoiler, M5 rear deck spoiler

I think they hit it out of the park. Looking forward to seeing Car & Driver do a German comparo redeux with the LCI.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:12 AM
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What do you mean by "Center console removal big plus"?

Really nice car. You should be proud
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:57 AM
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Not only does the back seat completely fold down, but you have the ability to keep the back seat up and just remove a center piece so that you have access to the trunk from inside the car. Not sure if this was the case with the 2013s but my 2011 did not have either of these features
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:24 AM
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Suspension – definitely stiffer and sportier even in comfort mode, I feel like I am driving a BMW again
Do you have Dynamic Handling Package (DHP) or 704 M-sport suspension? If you don't have DHP, then there should Not be any difference in softness of the suspension when you go to Comfort mode. Can you confirm this?
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:31 AM
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I have DHP. I will tell that going to sport mode I only really notice the throttle response and the heavier steering (which I hate). I believe that because they did such a great job making normal mode (comfort) suspension so much stiffer, you don't get that much suspension impact going to sport mode
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:40 AM
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I have DHP. I will tell that going to sport mode I only really notice the throttle response and the heavier steering (which I hate). I believe that because they did such a great job making normal mode (comfort) suspension so much stiffer, you don't get that much suspension impact going to sport mode
That's the only reason I wanted to get DHP - so I can adjust ride comfort on bad roads, you have me confused now. The 2011 535i with DHP that I drove had a "noticeable" difference in comfort mode - when going over bumpy roads, not so much on smooth roads. Did you compare sport vs comfort on bumpy roads? Also, when you change to comfort mode, do you see shocks/struts highlighted on the iDrive graphic?
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:46 AM
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Have not really done a compare over specifcally bumpy roads. I would say the compare is mostly on twisties. I don't get any iDrive graphic when I change between modes
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:52 AM
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Have not really done a compare over specifcally bumpy roads. I would say the compare is mostly on twisties. I don't get any iDrive graphic when I change between modes
Could you please do a comparison on a bumpy road and let me know today? I was going to place my order but now I'm confused if I $3500 option is worth it or not.
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:53 AM
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The 2011s really hurt the reputation of this car. I think several of the issues you outline were being gradually addressed along the way.
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:55 AM
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ill see what I can find - keep in mind that DHP (according to BMW) also gives you reduced body roll, flatter cornering etc as it adapts to the road surface continually. Not only does it give better handing but adds better comfort at the same time.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:04 AM
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That's the only reason I wanted to get DHP - so I can adjust ride comfort on bad roads, you have me confused now. The 2011 535i with DHP that I drove had a "noticeable" difference in comfort mode - when going over bumpy roads, not so much on smooth roads. Did you compare sport vs comfort on bumpy roads? Also, when you change to comfort mode, do you see shocks/struts highlighted on the iDrive graphic?
Just to save you some money, I'd forget the DHP and go with the 704 but change the run flat tires to non run flat michelins. The car rides very well all around without needing to switch buttons all the time.
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Not only does the back seat completely fold down, but you have the ability to keep the back seat up and just remove a center piece so that you have access to the trunk from inside the car. Not sure if this was the case with the 2013s but my 2011 did not have either of these features
In the picture you have of your car, it looks like the bottom of your heal light is list up in a line following the out line of the head light. Does your car have the upgraded LED lights?
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Just to save you some money, I'd forget the DHP and go with the 704 but change the run flat tires to non run flat michelins. The car rides very well all around without needing to switch buttons all the time.
What would you recommend for some one who has to go AWD and cant do the 704 suspension?

Go with DHP or not?
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:36 AM
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In the picture you have of your car, it looks like the bottom of your heal light is list up in a line following the out line of the head light. Does your car have the upgraded LED lights?
Yes I have LED lights
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What would you recommend for some one who has to go AWD and cant do the 704 suspension?

Go with DHP or not?
Definitely. Not sure how much the option is now but I'm very glad I have it and use it quite often with a noticeable ride difference.
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What would you recommend for some one who has to go AWD and cant do the 704 suspension?

Go with DHP or not?
Sorry, I missed that. I don't have any X Drive experience.
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Yes I have LED lights
Would you say there are noticible difference between the way the LED's light up the road vs standard lights that come on the 535Ix?
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What would you recommend for some one who has to go AWD and cant do the 704 suspension?

Go with DHP or not?
Go out and drive both. Each person has different needs so what works for one could be unacceptable for another. I can tell you that the LCI standard suspension is very good over a wide range of conditions - absorbs rough roads well, and stays pretty flat in the corners.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:07 PM
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Would you say there are noticible difference between the way the LED's light up the road vs standard lights that come on the 535Ix?
I think so, I really like the look as well
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Also, when you change to comfort mode, do you see shocks/struts highlighted on the iDrive graphic?
The iDrive graphic will unfortunately always show the suspension highlighted when changing modes, even on cars that don't have adjustable suspension. IE M-sports with 704, and cars without the DHP (Dynamic Handling Package) or EDC (Electronic Damping Control) options.
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Steering – Much better. Weighting is more natural and road feel greatly improved especially in normal/comfort mode. Only criticism: BMW still does not get it that heavier steering does not translate to sporty. Heavier steering makes the steering less tactile. As a result where as I like to have the increase in throttle response in sport mode, I hate the stiffer steering. Normal/comfort mode has improved so much that I can stay there.
YES what the F10 needs is faster steering, not necessarily heavier. I hate how far you have to row the wheel around turns.

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Azurite Black Metallic is beautiful and I believe a big improvement over Carbon Black
Let's see some pics of Azurite Black. Not enough of them around!

Congrats!
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:22 PM
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Will get a few more pics in the sun to show the Azurite Black. Did not mean to slight Carbon Black which is also a great color, Azurite just plays differently. Frankly my 2011 was Black Sapphire and I would have gone with that again if they had offered it in the MSport

With regard to the steering. BMW was really under the gun for the 2014 LCI with all of the bad press they received on the steering. So I gotta think that the LCI represents what they feel is the best they can do. Like I mentioned definitely better but they need to really get a clue on the weighting. My other car is a MINI which also has electric steering and it is much closer to hydraulic. Isn't it the same company??
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Go out and drive both. Each person has different needs so what works for one could be unacceptable for another. I can tell you that the LCI standard suspension is very good over a wide range of conditions - absorbs rough roads well, and stays pretty flat in the corners.
I don't have that option, my only local dealer only has 4 cars in stock, and the dealers have no clue what the cars do and dont have.
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I have DHP. I will tell that going to sport mode I only really notice the throttle response and the heavier steering (which I hate). I believe that because they did such a great job making normal mode (comfort) suspension so much stiffer, you don't get that much suspension impact going to sport mode
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