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E36 (1991 - 1999)
The E36 chassis 3-Series BMW was a huge hit among driving enthusiasts from the first moment the car hit the pavement. The E36 won numerous awards over the years it was produced and is still a favorite of many BMW enthusiasts to this day! -- View the E36 Wiki

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Old 09-25-2013, 09:43 AM
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Angry insane 10 key limit

Do to the multiple failures of the ignition lock cylinder, a surprisingly terrible piece of BMW engineering, I have reached the, not often seen, but dreaded Ten Key limit on my security system of my 1995 325Ci. BMW has been of no use at all. They insist that I purchased an entire security system, lock, and cylinder for over $700 when there's nothing wrong with my car other than the fact that it just needs a lock cylinder and key. The fact that there's a TenKey limit is their fault not mine.

I removed the chip from my key and attached it to the ignition antenna. I then removed the harness and can manually start the car using a screwdriver. Obviously this is not the optimum situation. I'm looking for anyone who could provide me with a cylinder from a 325 CI with electronic security. The car was manufactured in June 1995. I can use any cylinder and key appropriate for that model and manufacture date. it has to be a cylinder from an E36 with security system. i can use any cylinder from for that make and model. If you have a trashed BMW and could remove the lock cylinder I will purchase it with keys, or you could order another cylinder and 2 keys for your car with your Vin number and I would pay for the parts and an additional $50 fee for your time. If there's anyone out there that can help me I would greatly appreciate it.

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Old 09-25-2013, 09:55 AM
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I moved your thread over to the E36 3 series forum for you. You'll be able to get help here from our other E36 owners.

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Old 09-25-2013, 12:54 PM
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Do to the multiple failures of the ignition lock cylinder, a surprisingly terrible piece of BMW engineering, I have reached the, not often seen, but dreaded Ten Key limit on my security system of my 1995 325Ci. BMW has been of no use at all. They insist that I purchased an entire security system, lock, and cylinder for over $700 when there's nothing wrong with my car other than the fact that it just needs a lock cylinder and key. The fact that there's a TenKey limit is their fault not mine.

I removed the chip from my key and attached it to the ignition antenna. I then removed the harness and can manually start the car using a screwdriver. Obviously this is not the optimum situation. I'm looking for anyone who could provide me with a cylinder from a 325 CI with electronic security. The car was manufactured in June 1995. I can use any cylinder and key appropriate for that model and manufacture date. it has to be a cylinder from an E36 with security system. i can use any cylinder from for that make and model. If you have a trashed BMW and could remove the lock cylinder I will purchase it with keys, or you could order another cylinder and 2 keys for your car with your Vin number and I would pay for the parts and an additional $50 fee for your time. If there's anyone out there that can help me I would greatly appreciate it.
multiple failures? What fails? It spins in the socket? That is common problem, what I did, is drill a small hole then install sheet metal screw just to secure the cylinder in the socket and so far no problems ever. But looks like you are some difficult person
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:22 PM
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Might be helpful with a link..
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=231360

Have you considered a Push Button Start?
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:42 AM
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Definitely an option but I'm concerned about the Steering wheel accidentally locking up since without a cylinder there's's really nothing to stop that from happening. It had to be rotated to the Start position with a screw driver. I've been reading about how the spring for the pin can be drilled out.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:53 AM
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Problem is much worse than a the spinning key syndrome

I wish it were that simple. I know about the spinning key syndrome and that fix, but it's not the problem. It's the bottom of the tumbler where a metal pin that engages the ignition is sheared off and it's not the first time. My mechanics with a combines 50 years of experience an BMW all same I'm stuck on the cylinder because of the 10 Key limit.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:55 AM
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If the ignition tumbler is removed.. the steering wheel wont "lock" iirc

Have you tried repairing the spinning cylinder?
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:24 PM
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Thanks for your reply. Yes I know about the spinning cylinder issue. What I've been told by my mechanics and by BMW is that there is a pin at the bottom of the cylinder that engages the ignition. That pin has sheared off so the ignition cannot cannot be turned on. At the moment I'm to use a screwdriver to turn the ignition switch to the on position. The steering column has been unlocked manually with a screwdriver. The concern of my mechanics is that it's possible for the steering lock to engage accidentally leaving me driving down the highway with a locked steering wheel. I don't know if that's a realistic scenario or not. It's certainly not a desirable one. I'm investigating drilling out the spring that engages the steering lock pin so that it cannot lock. If I had not reached this TenKey limit on the EWS, I would simply have replaced the cylinder. It's become a nightmare.
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Old 09-27-2013, 11:42 AM
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So did your tumbler fail? Or the metal shaft thing that the tumbler turns to start your car?
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Old 09-27-2013, 11:57 AM
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... If I had not reached this TenKey limit on the EWS, I would simply have replaced the cylinder.....
I have perhaps a silly question. If you can get keys cut to match the replacement cylinder, what about pulling the transponders from your old keys and mounting them to your new ones? A friend did that to make an especially compact key he could stick in his wallet.
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:48 AM
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Do to the multiple failures of the ignition lock cylinder, a surprisingly terrible piece of BMW engineering, I have reached the, not often seen, but dreaded Ten Key limit on my security system of my 1995 325Ci. BMW has been of no use at all. They insist that I purchased an entire security system, lock, and cylinder for over $700 when there's nothing wrong with my car other than the fact that it just needs a lock cylinder and key. The fact that there's a TenKey limit is their fault not mine.

I removed the chip from my key and attached it to the ignition antenna. I then removed the harness and can manually start the car using a screwdriver. Obviously this is not the optimum situation. I'm looking for anyone who could provide me with a cylinder from a 325 CI with electronic security. The car was manufactured in June 1995. I can use any cylinder and key appropriate for that model and manufacture date. it has to be a cylinder from an E36 with security system. i can use any cylinder from for that make and model. If you have a trashed BMW and could remove the lock cylinder I will purchase it with keys, or you could order another cylinder and 2 keys for your car with your Vin number and I would pay for the parts and an additional $50 fee for your time. If there's anyone out there that can help me I would greatly appreciate it.
I know this post is old, but I would be able to program a transponder to your vehicle. Doesn't matter the limit. It would be a factory chip.
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Old 11-20-2013, 05:04 PM
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I had to go through this on my 95 (manufacturing date 3/95). Found a local company who came out, cut new keys to match car, reset security back to original spec and synced with keys. Now I have 2 new keys and can get 8 more. Great option! Very pleased with service.
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