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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 12-02-2012, 07:33 PM
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2012 X5D - Purchase Concerns

I am about to purchase a 2012 X5d, with the 20 inch wheels, but I am getting worried about all these tire issues I am reading about. I am supposed to do the deal tomorrow, switching out of a 2011 Touareg. The deals are so good on the x5's that it is actually less than a new 2013 Touareg.

So bottom line is I am very concerned about these 20 inch run flats. Can someone talk me off the cliff?

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Old 12-02-2012, 07:55 PM
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Search this board for the specs on alignment for that car, and before you drive it off the lot
have them align the car.Several posts have the spec's you want it set to.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:14 PM
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Thanks Tonka - I am still worried about the ride, road noise and other issues I hear about. Understand on the alignment.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:55 PM
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2 reason's I dumped my D..
The drive around town was rough.
The noise at idle and when taking off really started to bug me, I felt my Mercedes Sprinter 3/4 ton van. Was quieter then the 35D.
I will say I loved the drive on the freeway and never really noticed a lot of tire noise.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:05 PM
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Thanks Tonka - I am still worried about the ride, road noise and other issues I hear about. Understand on the alignment.
If its really just the tires you're worried about, don't. They're only going to last so long and you can always change them out for something you would prefer.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:08 PM
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Thanks - I really appreciate your input. Please keep it coming.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:27 AM
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Stick with the 19"s.... Better ride, better tire choices
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:04 AM
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Thanks Ard. I know you are on here all the time, any thoughts on going from a 2011 Touareg to the 2012 X5? Also, the 20's make the look of the ride for me, they look so damn sporty and really "complete" the muscular look of the X5.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:13 AM
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As an aside the '13 T-egg has the same drive train as the '13 Cayenne diesel. Uprated new series engine and all. Not that it has anything to do with your question to Ard of course. But the '13 T-egg will be slightly different than your old '11, mainly better mileage and performance.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:14 AM
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Jeme, I am taking the delivery of x5D this week. I was worried about two things, 20 inch wheels that it came with and the 6 sp transmission (2014 will come with 8 sp). It all came down to what I love to drive and what I get for the money (11% off msrp!!! with tech, premium and confort). After driving two I love X5s and would never settle for anything else. I test drove ML bluetec, Treg TDI and Cayenne which is nice and more exclusive but not for me (which was the only other close contender). All that handling you get from a bimmer is hard to beat and yes Cayenne came very close. I thought I can always get the 8 sp tranny on X5D in my next one in 2-3 years (this will be my 3rd X5 after 04 and 07)
So getting back to your question regarding the tires - Mine will come with 20 inch 214 style but I am going to swap them for 19inch. for better ride quality and winter tires. Enjoy your new ride!!
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:33 AM
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As an aside the '13 T-egg has the same drive train as the '13 Cayenne diesel. Uprated new series engine and all. Not that it has anything to do with your question to Ard of course. But the '13 T-egg will be slightly different than your old '11, mainly better mileage and performance.
11 T-reg is the new generation, it is identical to a 13MY.

To OP: It all comes down to whether you're planning on keeping that car for a long time or not. If you are, I'd stick with a new technologically superior Touareg or wait for a new X5D which should come with all the new goodies. If you're leasing, who cares, in 3 years you'll be back on the market again anyway. Also as someone noted above the engine noise (diesel clatter) of the X5D is too loud, oh, and a gas mileage is much better on Touareg, but I am sure you're already know that.

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Old 12-03-2012, 10:53 AM
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Be careful what you wish for with the 8-speed tranny. I just got 2013 335xi, and I have to say that 335 was better paired with the 6-speed tranny (there is enough tourque in the engine). The gear switching it too frequent to my liking and car feels like accelerating slower than my previous 2010 335.

I suspect same will be in the future's X5d - the 8-speed tranny will give you better MPG on highway speeds, but worse acceleration.
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:18 AM
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I have both a set of 20's and a set of 19's. I love the look of the 20" wheels on my X5 (Sport Activity option). I haven't had the uneaven wear or other issues I've read about here. Note that the 20's are staggered and therefore can't be rotated and will likely wear faster - I have 12K mi and still plenty of tread left. They also have summer rubber - so if you live anywhere that gets below freezing you will want a set of 18" or 19" with winter or all-season tires for that time of year.

I've got my 19" tires on now with the stock all-season RF's (picked up a complete set of take-offs). There is no question that the 19's smooth out the ride a bit, and would love to try non-RF tires sometime. But having said that, the ride on the 20's doesn't bother me.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:28 PM
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Brother Bluto - where and what type of take offs did you get? If you don't mind me asking! Thanks
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:54 PM
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Thanks Ard. I know you are on here all the time, any thoughts on going from a 2011 Touareg to the 2012 X5? Also, the 20's make the look of the ride for me, they look so damn sporty and really "complete" the muscular look of the X5.
No opinion on the Touareg v X5.

For me, Form follows Function. This weird "big rim" design trend is like the 1950s and the taillight fins...one company did it, the public liked it, so they got bigger and bigger- the public then believes it must be like this to look good.

If you are driving a race car and need room for bigger brakes, you trade off rotor size for expected road surface, and engineer accordingly...but just putting bigger rims on the wheel for some kind of 'look' is poseur. To me. Give me a light, strong, true wheel, with decent sidewall, and I can outdrive those 'muscular and sporty' looking cars running on rubber bands.

Folks get low profile tires on big rims and note a 'darty' and 'direct' connection to the road....but rip through a back country secondary road, with paving irregularities, with constant weight transfers side to side, and you'll understand why low profile tires CAN be a significant downgrade. Lower profile tires will dance off the surface as the contact patch is poorly controlled, and that connection that felt good on the test drive has vanished at speed.

IMO

Now, where does one draw the performance line on the X5, dunno. 18? 19? 20? . But I do know the brake rotors are all the same.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:58 PM
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Touareg TDI vs X5

I test drove the 2012 Touareg TDI extensively before settling on a 2012 X5 diesel. In my opinion, TDI has a smoother and more quiet engine. TDI is also more practical with more trunk space and back seats that slide forward. It also gets better mileage, probably due to the 8 speed tranny.

Other than that, IMO the X5 is better in every way. In no particular order: handling, power, interior, looks, fun, you can pretty much build your car the way you like it, warranty, maintenance plan etc.

Like you I was looking at paying about the same for a TDI than for a X5. In my opinion, the X5 was a better value.

Despite the above, the Touareg is a fine vehicle. Anybody looking for a diesel SUV should have it on their test drive list.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:08 PM
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I went with the 19s too. Having put 2K on the road since I picked it up last month. I am enjoying the ride. The 20s look good, but you will have more options when you go to purchase new tires. I kind of like the slight engine noise that comes with the diesel. You will not notice it on the highway. I do notice the different smell at times, but overall, still happy with the size of the vehicle. It's manageable. I can park it and drive it in NYC when necessary. I rented a Tahoe recently and that is like driving a small school bus.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:09 PM
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Thanks for the input.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:42 PM
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We have 20's (214's) with non RFT, no AD. Ride is firm. Not all that dissimilar to my e46 M3 on OEM 19's. I'm fine with it as it does look great (IMO). Im a bit surprised my wife (the X5 is hers) is ok with it... Does that make me a poseur? Well, I'm ok with that too...
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:18 AM
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I actually don't notice the engine noise anymore. If I do notice the sound, I enjoy it. Its like how people got used the the V8 grunt sound and say that sounds powerful.

As for the tires, I decided to stick with 18" mainly because all the concern regarding 20" ride vs. performance. I figure this decision can be changed anytime I want to. I can upgrade my tires and rim afterwards. I just don't like the idea of down grade. So 18" was a safe bet.

I don't regret it. I have not feel the need to change my tire. I am sure after a year I may change my mind and go all summer tire route.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:08 AM
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Brother Bluto - where and what type of take offs did you get? If you don't mind me asking! Thanks
Found them on ebay. Had kept an eye out for a couple of months for a pair of 18 or 19 take-offs for use in the winter. Ran across a set style #334 19" for around $1200 from a speed shop in CA. Shipping was right around $100, they were just as advertized - not a scratch and less than 500mi on the tires.

All my driving here is on pavement... but if I still lived in the PNW, then I likely would have gone with 18" for the frequent trips to the mountains or off pavement. But then again, that is what my Chev 2500HD is for.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:47 PM
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This weird "big rim" design trend is like the 1950s and the taillight fins...one company did it, the public liked it, so they got bigger and bigger- the public then believes it must be like this to look good.
I've noticed that the preference for the "Big Rim 'Thin' Tire" look is inversely proportional with age, in general. I have a theory that this is because it reminds the current generation of the Hot Wheels cars they played with as a kid (the tires on those typically were rather 'thin.')

People tend to develop some basic preferences when they are young, e.g., I still think the Ford GT40 is the coolest looking race car ever built.

But it's just a theory.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:10 PM
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I still think the Ford GT40 is the coolest looking race car ever built. you and I must be the same age !
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:14 PM
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For me, "that car" was the Porsche 959...As a 14year old working on air cooled VWs, it was just an astonishing car.

(But yes, a special place for the 917 and GT40 too)

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Old 12-04-2012, 05:19 PM
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This is so funny, I love the GT 40 as well. I think tomorrow is D day and I need to decide on this 2012 x5d.
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