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Old 08-06-2013, 08:49 AM
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The 2014 LCI changes BMW didn't tell you about

Here's a list of LCI changes that BMW didn't tell you about. I think potential customers should be informed before deciding on their models/options.

1. For standard xenon headlight, the turn signal is no longer LED.

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2. For M-Sport line, the car sits higher than pre-LCI M-Sport, which is due to BMW removing M Suspension in M Sport. (pending verification - verified, July/Aug production did not include 704 M Suspension)


3. US-spec 535d has dual-pipe exhaust on ONE side only.

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Old 08-06-2013, 11:39 AM
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Are we sure that is a U.S. spec car? The poster is in Germany. At this point I don't necessarily doubt it is correct, but just wondering.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:01 PM
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Are we sure that is a U.S. spec car? The poster is in Germany. At this point I don't necessarily doubt it is correct, but just wondering.
Euro spec 535d has split pipe.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:51 PM
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Pretty happy with my pre-LCI 2013. Especially with the blowout lease specials of February. :-) The halogen turn signal on Xenons is just plain dumb IMO. Why piss off loyal customers waiting for the LCI?
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:55 PM
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Pretty happy with my pre-LCI 2013. Especially with the blowout lease specials of February. :-) The halogen turn signal on Xenons is just plain dumb IMO. Why piss off loyal customers waiting for the LCI?
what deal were you able to score ?
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:10 PM
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Pretty happy with my pre-LCI 2013. Especially with the blowout lease specials of February. :-) The halogen turn signal on Xenons is just plain dumb IMO. Why piss off loyal customers waiting for the LCI?
Usually BMW goes from halogen signal light to LED during the LCI.
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:13 PM
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what deal were you able to score ?
I think the advertised lease specials were at an all time low, when I really wasnt even in the market for this car until August this year. There was a LENGTHY thread about it:

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Old 08-06-2013, 01:15 PM
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Usually BMW goes from halogen signal light to LED during the LCI.
That's even more puzzling..
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:25 PM
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I think Outie started a good thread.... lets not hijack it.

A polite humble request to all posters to post items that pertain to the 'The 2014 LCI changes BMW didn't tell you about'...

This has the potential to be a good thread that will help anyone ordering a new F10 LCI.
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:21 PM
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Are we sure that is a U.S. spec car? The poster is in Germany. At this point I don't necessarily doubt it is correct, but just wondering.
Just found a LCI on autotrader that has the xeon headlights. It too has the halogen turn signal.



I dont understand....
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:35 PM
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Just found a LCI on autotrader that has the xeon headlights. It too has the halogen turn signal.
I dont understand....
And the same old skinny steering wheel too, usually LCI gets you a fatter sport steering wheel.
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:37 PM
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Just found a LCI on autotrader that has the xeon headlights. It too has the halogen turn signal.



I dont understand....
The 3 & 4ers also have halogen turn signals

Might seem small and irrelevant for some, but it would bother me... I guess it's a way to cut some costs associated with updating a vehicle. And they can then claim an improvement when comes to LCI models. Stupid stupid stupid

The LCI E90 had LEDs, why would you downgrade something when your competitors have LEDs (at least as an option).


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Euro spec 535d has split pipe.
Isnt the US 535d really equivalent to the 520d(or was it the 530d) overseas? Hence the 528-esque pipes on the left?
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Are you all determining halogen by looking at a picture? Do we know anyone who has actually seen/used it?
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:43 PM
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The 3 & 4ers also have halogen turn signals

Might seem small and irrelevant for some, but it would bother me... I guess it's a way to cut some costs associated with updating a vehicle. And they can then claim an improvement when comes to LCI models. Stupid stupid stupid

The LCI E90 had LEDs, why would you downgrade something when your competitors have LEDs (at least as an option).




Isnt the US 535d really equivalent to the 520d(or was it the 530d) overseas? Hence the 528-esque pipes on the left?
You can get LED's with the LED lighting option ($1900) I guess BMW is saying that if you want LED you need to pay for it (but they will give you LED fog lights with a line) really makes no sense
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Are you all determining halogen by looking at a picture? Do we know anyone who has actually seen/used it?
Ya, check out the video on the post the OP linked to
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So BMW increases the starting price by $2,000 and takes away features?! BMW has it backwards; they give the pre-LCI LEDs and take them away on the LCI? The only explanation is that they're trying to force buyers into getting the lighting package.

On the MY11 F10 (528 to be exact), you had to buy the lighting package to have front LED turn signals but in 2012 they were made standard; so maybe BMW will make them standard again for MY15, or maybe that's just wishful thinking.

On a good note, this makes me feel better about having a 2013 over the 2014 LCI.
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:15 PM
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So BMW increases the starting price by $2,000 and takes away features?!
Didn't they include NAV on the 2014's?
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:21 PM
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Didn't they include NAV on the 2014's?
They also now include nappa leather on some lines. My build is actually about $1300 cheaper than last years' model.
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Just found a LCI on autotrader that has the xeon headlights. It too has the halogen turn signal.



I dont understand....
well the LCI bi-xenon replaces the pre LCI halogen headlights on the entry level cars, i know US cannot get halogen anymore since 2012
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The 2014 LCI changes BMW didn't tell you about

2014 is $1700 more than 2013. But, LCI includes nav, a $1900 option on 2013. The change in signal lights is to make the xenon the low end light with the new LED lights the high end. On a 328 they switched from led to halogen turn signals but without the option to get LEDs. Consider yourself lucky it's even an option.


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Yeah they did, but still, BMW should not take away features, they should at the very least keep everything from the pre-LCI. Adding nav should not be an excuse to remove previous features to make up for one new standard option to save them money. Not exactly acceptable for a $50K+ car.
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:32 PM
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Yeah they did, but still, BMW should not take away features, they should at the very least keep everything from the pre-LCI. Adding nav should not be an excuse to remove previous features to make up for one new standard option to save them money. Not exactly acceptable for a $50K+ car.
Adding nav wasn't excuse to remove led turn signals. Adding led headlights as a premium option was the excuse to make people spend more for led headlights and led turn signals.


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Yeah they did, but still, BMW should not take away features, they should at the very least keep everything from the pre-LCI. Adding nav should not be an excuse to remove previous features to make up for one new standard option to save them money. Not exactly acceptable for a $50K+ car.
Look, the whole idea of the "Lines" is to generate revenue. That's how they got the 328i to reach into $50K+ territory. Besides, even some items on the 2011 F10 were a ripoff, which I refused to buy into. On my previous 335i, of course I bought Comfort Access for $500. Then it included keyless start as well as keyless lock/unlock. How many people paid $1000, twice the price, for CA on their F10, where the main item, keyless start, was then standard? Sorry, but I don't mind reaching into my pocket to hit unlock on the fob for $1000. It should have been $250 at that point.

I doubt if anyone really cares enough to spend $1900 for the LED headlight option "just" because they are now given halogen turn signals. C'mon.

Now, removing fog lights on the standard non-line trim level, that's a slap in the face. How about packaging Sirius into the Premium Package (as of 2012)? Another slap.
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I doubt if anyone really cares enough to spend $1900 for the LED headlight option "just" because they are now given halogen turn signals.
You'd be surprised, there are definitely people who worry about such things that are no big deal to you. I know I would want the LEDs should I ever get the LCI, meaning I would be forced to pay the ridiculous $1900.
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:57 PM
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I paid for CA on my E60 and would do it again. I would also pay for the LEDs and I'm more worried about what appears to be a lack of projector lights with the LED package. Are the costs excessive, sure. Do I think about it during the life of the car? Nope. And I always hated it when I drove a car that didn't have CA. These are all things that you have a choice to either buy or not buy. I will never complain about having that option. What I would gripe about is not being able to get an option such as color combination without paying a $5000 premium simply because it's not available in one line but not in another. Frankly, I would be quite happy with an a la carte menu option and the price of my car would easily climb to what I felt comfortable paying. But I could get the colors, wheels and options I wanted. I'm also more upset that the I6 engine wasn't upgraded and I would have been very happy with a 540i (Inline6) or the real 535d. So while I debate what to order I'm faced with compromises and that upsets me.

Here are some other things that we can whine about that BMW didn't tell us...

Unlike the 6 series, the F10 gets the option for auto closing/opening trunk.
Unlike the 6 series, the F10 gets Nappa at N/C on most models,
Unlike the 6 series, the F10 has a higher residual

Now wasn't that cathartic?

BTW - the original intent of this thread is a good one.

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