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Old 02-08-2014, 04:56 PM
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2012 A6 Prestige or 2011 550i xDrive?

I'm moving on from my 2008 535i (too many problems) and thinking about these two. I've test driven both and like them for differing reasons. I like the 550 cause it goes like stink and I like the A6 cause it's quick and the interior is more current than the 550. However, threads like this http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=591357 scare the crap out of me. I suspect I could find something similar on an Audi forum. Thoughts?
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Needless to say, I'd only buy both if they were certified.
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Old 02-08-2014, 06:03 PM
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I'm 3 months and 4,500 miles in on my 2011 CPO 550i X Drive. The car is a joy to drive and no issues so far (except the common battery fuss at sub-zero temps). I haven't driven an A6 so can't provide any feedback there, but I am certainly not disappointed with my decision.

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Old 02-08-2014, 07:04 PM
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I've been shopping the same cars plus a few more. I drove a 2012 A7 today (identical drivetrain in the A6) and really enjoyed it. Great motor in that thing, but the steering was way light compared to everything else. I drive a 535 immediately after and it just felt right. I've decided on an Msport 535 or a 550, whichever pops up first at my dealership. Drove an e350 and GS350 Fsport also and liked the BMW better. I've never owned a non-Japanese car in my life, but I will soon! The Audi dealership also kind of gave me the creeps.
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Old 02-08-2014, 07:26 PM
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I've driven the e550 4matic, A6, A7, 550i xDrive. The steering felt too light in the A6 but once I changed to Dynamic mode, it felt "right." I'll buy the A6 Prestige or 550i xDrive M-sport whichever comes first but it seems certified is a must for both. I like the A7 but I park in DC all the time and the extra length and width make parallel parking a bit cumbersome.
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Old 02-08-2014, 07:39 PM
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I don't think you can go wrong either way; both are great cars.
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Old 02-08-2014, 09:17 PM
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I don't think you can go wrong either way; both are great cars.
A6, Audi is currently on top when it comes to reliability (Very High Rating), anyway you need to be covered with 2-3 years manufacturer warranty with both of them to be on the safe side, especially the BMW as it has fuel injectors, coils, and other issues that might cost you thousands of dollars.

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Old 02-09-2014, 07:30 AM
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My gut feeling would be to get the V8. One thing to consider is parallel parking with both. I can tell you that my wife's E350 which was the same length my 2008 E60 is much easier to park. I switched away from BMW to Mercedes because of the reliability issues with the 2008 535. The only BWM in the F10 range that would have interested me is the 550.
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:43 AM
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I'm moving on from my 2008 535i (too many problems) and thinking about these two. I've test driven both and like them for differing reasons. I like the 550 cause it goes like stink and I like the A6 cause it's quick and the interior is more current than the 550. However, threads like this http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=591357 scare the crap out of me. I suspect I could find something similar on an Audi forum. Thoughts?
Both are first year design models, you must be glutton for punishment
I had a 2012 A6 for almost a year, great powertrain, but the interior material is not as nice as the BMW, even though it looks more modern. The A6 is also not feel as solid as the F10, more rattles and not as stable as the F10 at high speed. The F10 has more first year issues than the A6. They are both great cars, but I would try to locate a at least a 2nd year production model where some of the bugs have been worked out.
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Old 02-09-2014, 08:24 AM
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Or find a first year that has had the bugs worked out (turbos/injectors, battery, SIB updates) as we did, plus CPO, plus extended service. The 2011's can be found relatively cheap versus the 2012's. Even 2013's still have injector issues...
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Old 02-09-2014, 05:40 PM
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I'd avoid first year models at all costs. Audi has an especially poor reputation in reliability but not sure about the new ones.

I like how dynamic and sporty the A6 feels, but that aside, I think the F10 is in a higher league in about all respects otherwise, namely anything that pertains to perceived and tactile quality and luxury/solidity thus wears a high price tag more fittingly. The A6 feels much more "tinny" and less isolated and has too many cheap interior materials for me to have considered it, plus the design doesn't do as much for me as the F10 does.
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Old 02-09-2014, 08:44 PM
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My wife drives a 2012 A7 prestiege. Only option not on the car is the B&O radio. Even with the 20" wheels & sport package, my M-sport 535 rides better and handles better.
Audi has always been understated in their interior. I agree the steering is very light comapred to the F10 but having a pump vs a hair dryer is cool. The A7 launches hard for only having 310 hp.
Kinda 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of another.
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Old 02-10-2014, 06:49 PM
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My wife drives a 2012 A7 prestiege. Only option not on the car is the B&O radio. Even with the 20" wheels & sport package, my M-sport 535 rides better and handles better.
Audi has always been understated in their interior. I agree the steering is very light comapred to the F10 but having a pump vs a hair dryer is cool. The A7 launches hard for only having 310 hp.
Kinda 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of another.
Love the smooth and light A7 steering. .really effortless when parking. I did a test drive and found it very smooth.
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Love the smooth and light A7 steering. .really effortless when parking. I did a test drive and found it very smooth.
You would have loved a 1958 Oldsmobile -- feather light steering, you could use 1 finger.
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You would have loved a 1958 Oldsmobile -- feather light steering, you could use 1 finger.
Lol, agreed. Ahmad, I really think the F10 was the wrong choice for your desires. The last thing I hope the F10 gets is that Mercedes-esque geriatric car feather steering. I love how heavy the steering is, I wish it was heavier.
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You would have loved a 1958 Oldsmobile -- feather light steering, you could use 1 finger.
Yup, used to love the american cars until they broke early 90s. I find the Audi, Lexus, and E Class steering much more convenient and effortless when driving and parking in the city.

I used one finger with the Audi and E 350
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Lol, agreed. Ahmad, I really think the F10 was the wrong choice for your desires. The last thing I hope the F10 gets is that Mercedes-esque geriatric car feather steering. I love how heavy the steering is, I wish it was heavier.
K-A, yup hope your wish come true and they make it heaver so you don't have to workout and go to the gym

Yup, you might be right however I love how the F10 look and the A7 is over my budget (Like $850 a month), didn't like the tech and the low built line on the E class and thats why I went with the F10 as I love everything about it except the steering and the BMW connected steering buzz/vibration.. call it whatever you want..

I think BMW should do like Audi and let the driver choose whatever he likes, should be light like an Audi and Mercedes in Comfort and become really heavy the way you like it in Sport, even heavier in Sport+..and so on.... the Audi has a hybrid mode too where you can chose the steering boost/assist individually.
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K-A, yup hope your wish come true and they make it heaver so you don't have to workout and go to the gym

Yup, you might be right however I love how the F10 look and the A7 is over my budget (Like $850 a month), didn't like the tech and the low built line on the E class and thats why I went with the F10 as I love everything about it except the steering and the BMW connected steering buzz/vibration.. call it whatever you want..

I think BMW should do like Audi and let the driver choose whatever he likes, should be light like an Audi and Mercedes in Comfort and become really heavy the way you like it in Sport, even heavier in Sport+..and so on.... the Audi has a hybrid mode too where you can chose the steering boost/assist individually.
Maybe we've become "wimps" now. I'm remembering all the complaints about how "light" the F10 steering was when it was introduced. My '11 535i steering is fine for me, but it is nowhere near "heavy" as compared with my '05 330i, or even '08 335i. It's all relative.
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I had a `13 A6 as a loaner not too long ago and having once been a devoted Audi person (I owned 6 of their cars) I was mostly impressed with that car. The car's technology was very much at the top of the list; however, the exterior style and the interior generally left me unimpressed...nice, but. Frankly, between the two, I like the BMW's interior more...the leather feels better and the trim is better quality. The wood trim in the A6 seemed more like plastic to me. The A6 had very good power, but the driving feel was rather bland to me. I would say to go for the 550i if it's a sports sedan you're seeking.
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Maybe we've become "wimps" now. I'm remembering all the complaints about how "light" the F10 steering was when it was introduced. My '11 535i steering is fine for me, but it is nowhere near "heavy" as compared with my '05 330i, or even '08 335i. It's all relative.
People who complain about it are very few people in this forum, BMW enthusiasts .. I believe that I represent the main stream(80% of people). With that said I see why BMW is moving off the heavy steering and noisy connected drive characteristics, most of the new models like the 3 Series and the new X5 comes with light electric steering, only the F10s electric is still relatively heavy.
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People who complain about it are very few people in this forum, BMW enthusiasts .. I believe that I represent the main stream(80% of people). With that said I see why BMW is moving off the heavy steering and noisy connected drive characteristics, most of the new models like the 3 Series and the new X5 comes with light electric steering, only the F10s electric is still relatively heavy.
But then, it's not really a "BMW". Previous 5 Series' were always massive sellers with much heavier steering than the F10. I think there's still a huge market of BMW drivers who want one Sedan without steering intended for Soccer Moms (Mercedes style).

The F10's steering when I left my E Class actually felt like it used some muscle, I friggin' loved it, made the car feel like a real enthusiasts car to me. I'd hate if BMW lost that. Mind you, I like you also like the F10's newfound luxury to the brand, but think it still needs that BMW DNA. The F10 is by far the smoothest and quietest car in class, way more-so than the E Class and especially comparatively even harsh-ish A6, so if the steering became feather-light, it would be sans most sporty characteristics and feel far too one-sided, i.e not so dynamic (see again: E Class).
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But then, it's not really a "BMW". Previous 5 Series' were always massive sellers with much heavier steering than the F10. I think there's still a huge market of BMW drivers who want one Sedan without steering intended for Soccer Moms (Mercedes style).

The F10's steering when I left my E Class actually felt like it used some muscle, I friggin' loved it, made the car feel like a real enthusiasts car to me. I'd hate if BMW lost that. Mind you, I like you also like the F10's newfound luxury to the brand, but think it still needs that BMW DNA. The F10 is by far the smoothest and quietest car in class, way more-so than the E Class and especially comparatively even harsh-ish A6, so if the steering became feather-light, it would be sans most sporty characteristics and feel far too one-sided, i.e not so dynamic (see again: E Class).

Still, I'm not sure that having heavy steering effort just for the sake of it (with no other benefit) is worth it. If the heaviness goes along with good on-center feel, and better rooad feel in general then sure. But it seems that BMW now tries to tune their EPS to feel "sporty" just by increasing the effort with no other benefit. When I think about it some of my favorite BMWs (e46, e39, etc) had relatively light steering effort but with decent feel.
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Still, I'm not sure that having heavy steering effort just for the sake of it (with no other benefit) is worth it. If the heaviness goes along with good on-center feel, and better rooad feel in general then sure. But it seems that BMW now tries to tune their EPS to feel "sporty" just by increasing the effort with no other benefit. When I think about it some of my favorite BMWs (e46, e39, etc) had relatively light steering effort but with decent feel.
I actually think the F10's is right on point, i.e it's light enough for purists to find too light, but heavy enough for guys like me used to Mercedes' "geriatric" steering feel to find more spirited and sporty/"enthusiast oriented". The F10's steering isn't BMW's best though (basing it on my pre-LCI), I find it an almost perfect combination of pacifying enthusiasts enough with some even-if artificial weight and feel engineered into it, and then giving the general average-Joe/Jane demographic something light enough so they can steer with one finger or whatever. However, the 6 GC steering is what reminded me of what a true BMW steering was all about (maybe the 6 Coupe feels the same as well). It had that proper BMW weight but it was by no means unnecessarily heavy or light for that matter, just so incredibly direct and fluid, well weighted, etc.
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Still, I'm not sure that having heavy steering effort just for the sake of it (with no other benefit) is worth it. If the heaviness goes along with good on-center feel, and better rooad feel in general then sure. But it seems that BMW now tries to tune their EPS to feel "sporty" just by increasing the effort with no other benefit. When I think about it some of my favorite BMWs (e46, e39, etc) had relatively light steering effort but with decent feel.
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