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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 12-24-2012, 12:54 PM
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AAMCO said that when I changed the fluid, I loosened the crap on the interior and it made the valves stick and I toasted it. It took them two tries to get it right. Over a month before it was fixed. When I picked the car up I drove it about 100 miles and it quit again? They towed it back and had to start over? They sent the valve body to NJ for rebuild and now it works good. I know now why I have never changed the tranny fluid before. Better off to just run it in my mind.
That would happen if you flushed the tranny, which is why noone ever recomends flushing the tranny. To simply drain and refill likely did not loosen anything. Are you sure you put the right amount back in? Was it the right temperature? Did you run it through the gears during the refill?
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Old 12-25-2012, 01:05 AM
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More pics, removed valve body today, anything to check or do with this piece? Run compressed air thru perhaps?
When you put everything back together... you should use a NEW AT filter and pan gasket. But I would think you know that. And also clean off all the metal "dust" from the four pan magnets.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:51 AM
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:06 PM
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:14 PM
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Simple fluid change

All I did was drain my fluid, changed the filter and added fluid to the correct level. All was done according to the Bently manual. No flushing!!! My owners manual said lifetime fluid and changing not recommended but I read in my Bavarian Auto news letter that they recommend it any way? I think they wanted to sell parts? Just sayin I'll never do it again. My 1989 535i had 249,000 on it no trouble without a fluid change.
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:19 PM
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All I did was drain my fluid, changed the filter and added fluid to the correct level. All was done according to the Bently manual. No flushing!!! My owners manual said lifetime fluid and changing not recommended but I read in my Bavarian Auto news letter that they recommend it any way? I think they wanted to sell parts? Just sayin I'll never do it again. My 1989 535i had 249,000 on it no trouble without a fluid change.
After you fill the A/T pan with ATF... you then still need to let the car shift thru the gears and warm up the fluid. IF you don't your trans will be low on fluid by 1.5 to 2 quarts! You HAVE to check the the trans in DRIVE and the engine running. Otherwise you won't have the correct amount of fluid in the trans.


I read so many threads that said... I changed my ATF fluid and a week later my trans died. I am so glad I changed my AT trans fluid. My trans shifts so much better now. I also think that BMW(or ZF) designed the trans to pop the "limp mode" fail safe mode when the trans fluid is low.

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Old 12-27-2012, 07:12 AM
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Hi I have a fluid question. sorry about this question that covers lots of time.

Anyway, I bought this Red Line Dexron ATF-D4 from Pelican parts web and I just find out this one wasn't recommended by Pelican.
However, it was recommended by ECS web site.
http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E39-525...luid/ES251177/


My trans is ZF (2002 525i).
Can I use this Red Line Dexron ATF-D4 on my car?
I'm confusing now. I should buy ZF but want to figure it now.

Thank you in advance.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:22 AM
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Do not use dextron, either the esso, castrol import, and I'm hearing valvoline max life. I'd go with castrol, I can take a pic of bottle later.

I saw that same DIY from ECS btw
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:00 AM
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Thank you for the fast replying. =)
I'm returning them now and will get ZF fluid.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:00 AM
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After long research and ordering parts and returning, I decided not to change my ATF.

I know it has been discussed many times but there are so many E39 with high miles without change ATF.
Anyway, thank you guys that feed me with so much info.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:14 AM
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After long research and ordering parts and returning, I decided not to change my ATF.

I know it has been discussed many times but there are so many E39 with high miles without change ATF.
Anyway, thank you guys that feed me with so much info.
You should do it
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:09 AM
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Hi I have a fluid question. sorry about this question that covers lots of time.

Anyway, I bought this Red Line Dexron ATF-D4 from Pelican parts web and I just find out this one wasn't recommended by Pelican.
However, it was recommended by ECS web site.
http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E39-525...luid/ES251177/


My trans is ZF (2002 525i).
Can I use this Red Line Dexron ATF-D4 on my car?
I'm confusing now. I should buy ZF but want to figure it now.

Thank you in advance.
I would recommend you to change your trans fluid. Along with the AT pan filter and pan gasket.

IF you decide not to change your trans fluid... you should at least check the fluid level by removing the fill plug WHILE the engine is running AND the car is in DRIVE up on a lift or on four jack stands.(level). I bet your fluid is low.

Here is a good shop that sells everything you need to service a ZF trans...

http://www.thectsc.com/index.php?p=c...parent=56&pg=1


Just look up your ZF trans code.


Dackel


PS: IF you still have that Redline ATF-D4 and you know someone with a manual trans BMW... you can use that ATF D4 in a manual trans. I know it sounds weird but its true.

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Old 12-27-2012, 11:11 AM
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Thank you. and I will check.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:54 PM
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Tranny fluid

There must be a reason they put Lifetime and not recommended under transmission fluid in the owners manual?
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:44 PM
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There must be a reason they put Lifetime and not recommended under transmission fluid in the owners manual?
BMW says lifetime fluid.

ZF (who builds and designs the trans) says to change your fluid. ~45K miles.
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:47 PM
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There must be a reason they put Lifetime and not recommended under transmission fluid in the owners manual?
It is not lifetime, over time the filter will eventually become too dirty, resulting in poor flow which will work on pump causing more harm. I say if you are at 100k miles go ahead and change filter. Is anything ever lifetime?
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:30 PM
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Lifetime

My tranny lifetime was 171,000 miles. worked great, changed the fluid and made it 98 miles til it quit? My 89 lifetime is 239,000 and still going no fluid change ever? Trans rebuild $3500 easy math. Run it!!!
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:36 PM
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Wrong fluid maybe? That sucks man, I can just speak from my experience and if I would have changed fluid/filter chances are my pump wouldn't have crapped out
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:32 PM
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My tranny lifetime was 171,000 miles. worked great, changed the fluid and made it 98 miles til it quit? My 89 lifetime is 239,000 and still going no fluid change ever? Trans rebuild $3500 easy math. Run it!!!
Your math or logic needs a little work. Your tranny quits 98 miles after an ATF change... Did you consider user error as a possible cause? That seems a more likely cause than a load of clean ATF. But an insufficient load of ATF? It can happen. Just sayin...
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:37 PM
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... you should at least check the fluid level by removing the fill plug WHILE the engine is running AND the car is in DRIVE up on a lift or on four jack stands.(level). I bet your fluid is low.
I am under the impression from reading the bulletins and TIS (when it was still available) that the transmission was checked with the selector in Park, not in Drive.

Why do you think it should be in Drive?
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:58 AM
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I am under the impression from reading the bulletins and TIS (when it was still available) that the transmission was checked with the selector in Park, not in Drive.

Why do you think it should be in Drive?
You have it backwards. The trans MUST be in drive or neutral NOT park - when you remove the fill plug on the trans and you add fluid until it spills out of the hole.

The reason is you need the tran's pump to be pumping fluid thru the trans. When its in park the trans pump isn't working as much.

You can download the ZF documents and see how to do it properly. The trans has no dip stick.
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Old 12-28-2012, 06:05 AM
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You have it backwards. The trans MUST be in drive or neutral NOT park - when you remove the fill plug on the trans and you add fluid until it spills out of the hole.

The reason is you need the tran's pump to be pumping fluid thru the trans. When its in park the trans pump isn't working as much.

You can download the ZF documents and see how to do it properly. The trans has no dip stick.
This is the document to which I'm referring. Step 4 (on page 1) says the transmission should be in Park. I agree that you should move the selector through the different gears, but after you've don't that, this document indicates that it should be placed in Park for the final fill/check of the fluid.
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Old 12-28-2012, 07:38 AM
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There must be a reason they put Lifetime and not recommended under transmission fluid in the owners manual?
The reason was economics. BMW was paying for regular maintenance on these cars when new. If they put "lifetime"fluid in the transmission BMW would not have to pay for routine maintenance on this item.

There is no such thing as "lifetime" fluid.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:01 AM
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I have done so many DIYs. like vano, whole cooling system, cover gasket and suspensions,......
Even I have a BMW soft 1.4 and reprogram some of modules as well.

Anyway, trans is somehow very uncomfortable.
I changed fluid on my x acura TL and died after 2 month.

So I'll cross my finger on my BMW and will step out for trans fluid.

ANyway, thank you guys.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:55 AM
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This is the document to which I'm referring. Step 4 (on page 1) says the transmission should be in Park. I agree that you should move the selector through the different gears, but after you've don't that, this document indicates that it should be placed in Park for the final fill/check of the fluid.
My car has a ZF 5HP19 so this is the ZF document I used for guidance. Page four says to have the trans fluid warmed up and in DRIVE or REVERSE. Not park.

I know when I check fluid with the trans only in park... when the ATF spilled out the side when I opened the fill hole/plug. I then ran the trans thru ALL the grears (like it says in this ZF pdf) and then I left the trans in DRIVE and removed the fill plug. I was able to add about 1.5L more ATF!

I would say you need to check your ATF level again.
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