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Old 12-11-2012, 09:34 AM
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So I have a 85' E30. It needed more "umph" so I found a M30 out of 91' 535i with 179 ecu, air box, afm, engine harness, radiator, and transmission. Got it all with 150k on it for $400.
Im really wanting to show a few people why Bmw's are far superior. My buddy just built a 439 whp civic hatch, and I'm wanting to atleast keep up.
My proposed build (keep in mind "inexpensive" is strong in my head.):

Miller turbo tuning kit with Maf and injectors with chip.
ARP Headstuds
MLS or Cometic headgasket
Torn between Miller manifold or TCD
GT35R turbo or go 60mm Chinese (if broken in properly, they do well.. 20k on one in a honda) prefer internal gated
Oil cooler
2 sets of intercooler piping
side mount IC from 2nd gen DSM
Boost gauge
A/F ratio gauge
exhaust peices
braided oil lines

Anybody think of anything else I'll need to complete my budget build, besides a tune afterwards? You think it's best I have the Turbo below or up top?
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:25 AM
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That sounds pretty cool.

Don't know if you know it or not, but there is a forum here devoted to forced induction. It may be helful. Here is the link.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=127

Good luck and shoot a good burnout vid and post it after you get it completed.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:30 AM
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I would hate to disappoint you but us E34 member are gentlemen and not boy-racers. We would not tell you how to beat your friend's exaggerated civic. Please bother your E30 brethren as, from experience, they know-it-all.

No chinese turbos.

You want lopey cams, proper hg, proper internals, crank spaced right and properly, not just tightening bolts, head studs, a proper intake manifold, more thaan a side mount intercooler, tcd manifold and a 3" exhaust. I hope you have the driveline, diff, clutch and tranny to handle the 550hp you're going to need to beat that civic.

Best of luck, not really interested in the desecration of an M30 at the hands of a child, don't feel pressured to post updates as they'll result in flaming.
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Feeling a little cranky today Joe?
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:37 AM
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Feeling a little cranky today Joe?
kids thinking they can build BMW monsters to beat their friends' "450+whp" civic is frustrating.

My 284 WHP 350Z is a retarded amount of fast and a $h1t ton of money and wrench work and tuning hours. this kid wants a budget build to beat what I can only imagine is a drag queen civic. I know the JDM crowd, I can hang with Evos and S2000s, but goddam is it tough. these guys have the ~300-350 range power TO THE WHEELS and would make quick work of anything.


This youngin doesnt have an appreciations, an understanding, or a concept of what real power is. he'd cry if he knew what the E30 was actually putting TO THE WHEELS. its close to 60 bruh.

I can have him holding on for dear life within 30 seconds of a launch before i even show him what spray makes a 3.5L do.


Never makes any mention of injectors, of fuel management, driveline, custom fabrication, or anything. Just a turbo, a manifold and a boost gauge.
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I absolutely get where you are coming from there and agree 100% with you. You just seem a little more free with your words and critisims today. You must have the heavy duty flame thrower out.

Just thought someone might have peed in your corn flakes this morning
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I absolutely get where you are coming from there and agree 100% with you. You just seem a little more free with your words and critisims today. You must have the heavy duty flame thrower out.

Just thought someone might have peed in your corn flakes this morning
Work has been tough. Trying to close out the year. Nothing ever ties out the way you think it will.

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kids thinking they can build BMW monsters to beat their friends' "450+whp" civic is frustrating.

My 284 WHP 350Z is a retarded amount of fast and a $h1t ton of money and wrench work and tuning hours. this kid wants a budget build to beat what I can only imagine is a drag queen civic. I know the JDM crowd, I can hang with Evos and S2000s, but goddam is it tough. these guys have the ~300-350 range power TO THE WHEELS and would make quick work of anything.


This youngin doesnt have an appreciations, an understanding, or a concept of what real power is. he'd cry if he knew what the E30 was actually putting TO THE WHEELS. its close to 60 bruh.

I can have him holding on for dear life within 30 seconds of a launch before i even show him what spray makes a 3.5L do.


Never makes any mention of injectors, of fuel management, driveline, custom fabrication, or anything. Just a turbo, a manifold and a boost gauge.
Hey guy, Im pretty sure you don't know a thing I've worked on. I own a 79' Trans Am 10th anniv. edition 6.6 big block. I know what power is. I've owned a 12 sec Dsm, a 383 stroked s-10, I can keep going but your 284 hp is scary lol. Why don't you go sit on your lazy boy chair and take a few breathes before starting to flame on somebody you have no idea about.
Not sure if you read the whole posts or just decided to flame because turbo was mentioned in the title. Im going with a Miller turbo tuning kit for the injectors, maf, and re burnable chip. I have a 2.73 limited slip rear, with the gearing ratio from the tranny it'll have me pretty set for highway (which is most of my driving). Later down the road, yes I'll buy a large diff to swap in or whatever.

Who said anything about 550whp? Im looking for maybe 300hp at the wheels, with the more torque I'm making over my buddies DYNO'd 439 Whp, I'll prolly keep up with him in the quarter and Smoke him at Mid-Ohio.

BMR_LVR-- Thanks, hopefully a mod can tow this for me.

95 E34 Just because your old and cranky, Doesn't mean I don't know what power is.
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Another question I have is: If I run top mount turbo set-up where are people getting the oil to feed the turbo from? Im afraid if I run top mount I'll starve the turbo of oil cause the line would almost be even with the head. I only want to run top mount because it'd be easier to service and a little more open.
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You tell us.

You're asking technical/fabrication questions about uncharted territory that would have even Steve Dinan digging into his log books.

IMHO if you want a better E30, swapping in the big-six is not a good idea from the start.

Asking about it on this particular forum...just the same.
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The swap isn't the problem, I can knock that out in a weekend. I know alot of people say the M30's hold up well under boost. I just thought it was something that, under this section, someone would have experience with. I re-posted in forced induction.

Big six was the best I could come up with. I weighed the Pro's and Con's of the most common swaps. M30b35 was most cost effective and best power and torque combo.Plus, I found one with low mileage and everything that I needed for cheap.
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Another question I have is: If I run top mount turbo set-up where are people getting the oil to feed the turbo from? Im afraid if I run top mount I'll starve the turbo of oil cause the line would almost be even with the head. I only want to run top mount because it'd be easier to service and a little more open.
You will need to get a dedicated oil pump and a tank for it. They have kits for that made to mount in the trunk.
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95 E34 Just because your old and cranky, Doesn't mean I don't know what power is.
Hey $hit stain. I was born in '89. I'm 23 years old. I graduated high school in 2008 and got my Degree in Finance in May 2012.

i'm old and cranky? you're young and stupid. I can not wait to see your turbo m30 e30. especially dat BEWST GAGE SON!!!!1!!!

OH $HIT!!! YOU CAN PICK THE DIFFERENCT COLORS BRUH!!! DAWG THIS ISH IS ILLLLLL



ONLY GO UP TUH 30 POUNDZ DOE......... MAYBE YOU CAN FIND ONE TO MEZURE DAT SPEWL AKURATLEY
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Hey $hit stain. I was born in '89. I'm 23 years old. I graduated high school in 2008 and got my Degree in Finance in May 2012.

i'm old and cranky? you're yound and stupid. I can not wait to see your turbo m30 e30. especially dat BEWST GAGE SON!!!!1!!!

OH $HIT!!! YOU CAN PICK THE DIFFERENCT COLORS BRUH!!! DAWG THIS ISH IS ILLLLLL



ONLY GO UP TUH 30 POUNDZ DOE......... MAYBE YOU CAN FIND ONE TO MEZURE DAT SPEWL AKURATLEY
You are so Cwazy
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this kid wants to buy a kit and then thinks he can choose placement of turbo. talk to miller and see what manifold they suggest you use.

Not all dyno's dyno the wheel power

you will most certainly not beat a 2200lb 430+ WHP civic down a drag strip with a 3000lb 300 hp bmw. Him taking a decent poop would shave a tenth second off his time.

power to weight difference is out of this world. Spare us your giant, boosted, SOHC, iron-block, weight-distribution-nightmare.
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this kid wants to buy a kit and then thinks he can choose placement of turbo. talk to miller and see what manifold they suggest you use.

Not all dyno's dyno the wheel power

you will most certainly not beat a 2200lb 430+ WHP civic down a drag strip with a 3000lb 300 hp bmw. Him taking a decent poop would shave a tenth second off his time.

power to weight difference is out of this world. Spare us your giant, boosted, SOHC, iron-block, weight-distribution-nightmare.
LOL that's good stuff Joe ! Where the hell is Roberto ?

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this kid wants to buy a kit and then thinks he can choose placement of turbo. talk to miller and see what manifold they suggest you use.

Not all dyno's dyno the wheel power

you will most certainly not beat a 2200lb 430+ WHP civic down a drag strip with a 3000lb 300 hp bmw. Him taking a decent poop would shave a tenth second off his time.

power to weight difference is out of this world. Spare us your giant, boosted, SOHC, iron-block, weight-distribution-nightmare.
Well, looks like your the kid here. Normally, people in Finance, are a little more professional and a little more sane. I was born in 86', and didn't go to college, but prolly make just as much money as your bachelor degree gives ya .
Maybe your ignorant of the fact that Honda's can't make torque to save a life. If I have 300 hp and 300 ft.lbs of torque, I have a pretty good chance of keeping in a car distance or so. Plus, gearing plays a factor...

The m30 is a monster? It weighs about 50lbs more than a m20. And with position 2 of engine mounts weight distribution is hardly effected. Buying a TCD turbo kit cost almost 4k. The kit I put together costs 2800 with a garret gt35r, with all premium parts, intercooled and because of the Miller turbo Tuning kit, I'll have better adjustability and a decent base tune. Im not some "ricer" or "Jdm freak". I worked custom installs for 6 years before I started inside sales for a autoparts warehouse.

Why don't you take your 280hp Z and cruise on in to another post... Obviously you have no experience with a M30 or fabricating any type of turbo system. I hope your more pleasant in real life or when you grow up a little the world will chew you up and spit ya' out.
I say "Good Day!"
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this kid wants to buy a kit and then thinks he can choose placement of turbo. talk to miller and see what manifold they suggest you use.

Not all dyno's dyno the wheel power

you will most certainly not beat a 2200lb 430+ WHP civic down a drag strip with a 3000lb 300 hp bmw. Him taking a decent poop would shave a tenth second off his time.

power to weight difference is out of this world. Spare us your giant, boosted, SOHC, iron-block, weight-distribution-nightmare.
If you actually read my post.. No where does it say I'm buying a kit. It says I am piecing together the kit. TCD offers the manifold both ways, up top and down below.
Unless I crap out 100 pounds I don't think I'll be picking up a 1/10th... From all the $hit coming out your mouth Im guessing your getting close
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If you actually read my post.. No where does it say I'm buying a kit.
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Miller turbo tuning KIT with Maf and injectors with chip.
idiot.

You are so out of your element it's laughable. Go away now, nobody needs your B.S. poising the minds of these gentlemen.

And not you $hitting 100 lbs. the civic; as in a decent poop would make a difference in his power-to-weight because its so light and so powerful.

You see, mister, in the words of Colin Chapman,
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The lighter the car, the less weight to move. The less weight to move, the faster it can get moving. The more power you have the more weight you can pull. The more weight you can pull, the faster you get pulling.

Now if YOU'LL be so kind as to read my previous post.

YOU.

WILL.

LOSE.

BASED.

ON.

POWER.

TO.

WEIGHT.

ALONE.


Not even factoring in your small inteligence and i'm sure inexperienced driving skills.

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Obviously you have no experience with a M30 or fabricating any type of turbo system. I hope your more pleasant in real life or when you grow up a little the world will chew you up and spit ya' out.
I say "Good Day!"
You sir, are oh so wrong. Here, let me show you!

My Buddy's 2005 Infinit G35 we built




Dyno'd 650 Wheel Torque.


But, hey, Must've just got lucky with those bolt-ons, huh?

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idiot.

You are so out of your element it's laughable. Go away now, nobody needs your B.S. poising the minds of these gentlemen.

And not you $hitting 100 lbs. the civic; as in a decent poop would make a difference in his power-to-weight because its so light and so powerful.

You see, mister, in the words of Colin Chapman,

The lighter the car, the less weight to move. The less weight to move, the faster it can get moving. The more power you have the more weight you can pull. The more weight you can pull, the faster you get pulling.

Now if YOU'LL be so kind as to read my previous post.

YOU.


WILL.

LOSE.

BASED.

ON.

POWER.

TO.

WEIGHT.

ALONE.


Not even factoring in your small inteligence and i'm sure inexperienced driving skills.

https://millerperformancecars.com/ca...category_id=10
Turbo "TUNING" kit



My bimmer is not a factory weight anyway. All carpet padding is out, Bride seats, padding from firewall and under car is gone, and dry iced the factory dynamat sound absorbers to get them out.

Tell me how I am out of my element? I have on the list intercooler, manifold, piping, turbo, a/f ratio meter, Miller "Tuning" kit, arp headstuds, slightly thicker head gasket, oil cooler and lines, and gauges.

ha.. your so experienced. I bet all the 14yo boys in your neighborhood think your the $hit!
I thought I said" good day" and take your way too powerful pig of a nissan to another forum posts. You know nothing of what I am trying to do.

P.S. I never said I wanted to beat him, just to keep up.
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kids thinking they can build BMW monsters to beat their friends' "450+whp" civic is frustrating.

My 284 WHP 350Z is a retarded amount of fast and a $h1t ton of money and wrench work and tuning hours. this kid wants a budget build to beat what I can only imagine is a drag queen civic. I know the JDM crowd, I can hang with Evos and S2000s, but goddam is it tough. these guys have the ~300-350 range power TO THE WHEELS and would make quick work of anything.


This youngin doesnt have an appreciations, an understanding, or a concept of what real power is. he'd cry if he knew what the E30 was actually putting TO THE WHEELS. its close to 60 bruh.

I can have him holding on for dear life within 30 seconds of a launch before i even show him what spray makes a 3.5L do.


Never makes any mention of injectors, of fuel management, driveline, custom fabrication, or anything. Just a turbo, a manifold and a boost gauge.
Kelley Blue Book value: $11,300 - $12,600
Fuel economy (MPG): 19 - 20 city / 26 highway
Base engine: 3.5L 287 hp V6
Horsepower: 287 @ 6200 RPM
Just a question... How does a car that comes factory with 287hp and puts down 217 Whp factory only have 284whp after Nitrous? Sounds like you didn't put any type of supporting mods on before you threw NAWZZZ on. Im sure that little shot of what 75hp for 4 sec really gets your pecker wet huh?
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:52 AM
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people are putting down up to 500 hp down on a O-ringed block with arp studs. Im not looking for that much, not until next winter when I bore and stroke.
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