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Old 12-15-2012, 07:52 AM
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Well the car came with 16" from the dealer. It was a minor pull back then. When I put new wheels with tires, they were used, so I have no way of telling if something is wrong with them other than they are properly balanced. The pull got amplified when going from skinny 16" wheels to 18" staggered set up and the issue stayed the same when I went to 2nd set of tires on those 18's. My dealer does have one of those machines and I had them balance both sets of tires from them.
If the alignment is right and the caliper is releasing.... the only thing I can guess is radial pull.
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:56 AM
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If the alignment is right and the caliper is releasing.... the only thing I can guess is radial pull.
Radial pull is completely out of the way, two sets of tires has been balanced several times using the new balancing machine type at the dealer.

Caliper release: only visual so far. How can I thoroughly check this?
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:01 AM
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Ride height re-done. Made sure the car is on a very flat, leveled surface.

Distance from top of the finder to bottom of the wheel rim

18" Style-162 wheels

FR: 600mm
FL: 608mm
RR: 605mm
RL: 606mm
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:45 AM
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If everything appears to be in spec, you can try adjusting as recommended by Mercedes for the W203 C class (follow these links):
http://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w2...ull-right.html
http://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w2...lls-right.html
http://mbworld.org/forums/3489511-post12.html

Hope this helps...
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:46 PM
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Caliper release: only visual so far. How can I thoroughly check this?
Jack the right front up and see if the wheel spins freely.
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:05 PM
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If everything appears to be in spec, you can try adjusting as recommended by Mercedes for the W203 C class (follow these links):
http://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w2...ull-right.html
http://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w2...lls-right.html
http://mbworld.org/forums/3489511-post12.html

Hope this helps...
So I need to add +1 degree caster to front passenger side? I need to buy chamber plates? I thought these cars have variable chamber because of the lower control arm.
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Old 12-15-2012, 05:05 PM
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Well the car came with 16" from the dealer. It was a minor pull back then. When I put new wheels with tires, they were used, so I have no way of telling if something is wrong with them other than they are properly balanced. The pull got amplified when going from skinny 16" wheels to 18" staggered set up and the issue stayed the same when I went to 2nd set of tires on those 18's. My dealer does have one of those machines and I had them balance both sets of tires from them.
As you've now gone through 3 sets of tires, I'm inclined to eliminate tires as a cause of your pulling problem (and I have some background in tires and tire "pulling" issues). It would be rather EXTRAORDINARY to experience a pulling issue due to tires after going through THREE sets.

If you had mounted a NEW set of tires and experienced pulling where it didn't exist before, I would be SUSPECT of the tires...but this is not the case here.

I think we can eliminate the tires in your case.

The only other thought that I have is that a LARGE difference in castor from left to right (alignment) may cause pulling...but this would be highly unusual on a BMW.

It seems very odd to me that your steering wheel is centered as you experience this pulling sensation.
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Old 12-15-2012, 05:11 PM
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So I need to add +1 degree caster to front passenger side? I need to buy chamber plates? I thought these cars have variable chamber because of the lower control arm.

Good Lord! Keep caster identical, side t'side. Remember to check toe.

Front end camber relatively un-adjustable. Not that it wouldn't be a kick -- -2.5 neg camber's a hoot. So's tire wear, a diff kind o'hoot....kindofa agonized shriek.

Your problem isn't caster, judging from alignments past. Look deeper. There's a reason the previous owner is.

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Old 12-15-2012, 06:48 PM
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Good Lord! Keep caster identical, side t'side. Remember to check toe.

Front end camber relatively un-adjustable. Not that it wouldn't be a kick -- -2.5 neg camber's a hoot. So's tire wear, a diff kind o'hoot....kindofa agonized shriek.

Your problem isn't caster, judging from alignments past. Look deeper. There's a reason the previous owner is.

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That's what I thought. The Mercedes links above state that +1 caster change. I doubt that would work with our cars.

Yes, tires could be eliminated definitely.

@pointandgo:
As the car pull to right, the steering wheel turns with the pull.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:48 PM
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That's what I thought. The Mercedes links above state that +1 caster change. I doubt that would work with our cars.

Yes, tires could be eliminated definitely.

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As the car pull to right, the steering wheel turns with the pull.
Any issues with tire "conicity," (built in to the tire due to steel belt offset) would result in a steering wheel offset if the "bad" tire was on the front - steering position).

I can't see that this is a tire "conicity" issue after THREE tire changes. It would be highly unusual.
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:02 PM
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WOW.ok maybe its not tires or the suspension.Try checking to see if you have a brake caliper that might be locking up.also have the brake inspected for sticky slid pins.goodluck.
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:03 PM
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WOW.ok maybe its not tires or the suspension.Try checking to see if you have a brake caliper that might be locking up.also have the brake inspected for sticky slid pins.goodluck.
Thanks, that my next step.
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Old 01-11-2013, 05:52 AM
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New revelation:

I had the front wheels off and spun the rotors. Front right rotor seems to be warped and worn out and seem to be catching the pads at one point of the spin. Overall there was a lot more resistance in that wheel compared to other side. I will be replacing pads and rotors soon. Just hope I don't have to replace the caliper or the bearing for now.
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328i veers to right

Just bought my car. It's been through two alignments and rotated tires, no luck. Installed brand new lower bushings, not better.
I have a sports package and at higher speeds it goes too the right more...

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BMW tech here,,,,,,sorry unable to see the alignment specs,,,,,,,we are over thinking this whole thing,,,,just put some more camber in the right front tire,,,,to help push it to the right,
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Old 11-18-2015, 08:16 AM
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Pulling veers to right

I have the same problem the car does veer to the right on the freeway and on flat surfaces .
And on all lanes ; sent into the shop three times . My car has no accidents no damage to undercarriage still looking for answers for my 2008 328I sports package .

Recent alignment;

Rear Thrust angle is -.22

front left camber -.3 front camber right -.9

Front left caster 7.1 degrees Right 6.8 degrees

rear camber left -1.1 rear camber right -1.4 degrees



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I have the same problem the car does veer to the right on the freeway and on flat surfaces .
And on all lanes ; sent into the shop three times. My car has no accidents no damage to undercarriage still looking for answers for my 2008 328I sports package.
I am not sure whether those specs are within tolerance but they do look ... funny, to me. (I won't say how because, as I said, I am not certain.)

Who is doing the alignments? Is it a dealer, a BMW independent specialist shop, a general auto repair shop or your local tires-and-suspension chain? BMWs must be aligned with the suspension in the "normal loaded position," which means, at a defined loaded ride height. This entails placing a considerable amount of ballast weight in specific locations in the car, in addition to a full tank of fuel, while the vehicle is on the alignment rack. If your shop is not doing this, your suspension is out of alignment, and you need to start with alignment #4 from a tech who knows what he's doing.
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2011 F10 528i SAME PROBLEM... Much worse on cold tires (LS2's) Aligned twice at dealer. BMW Technician, are you saying that I need to install camber ajusting whshbones and increase the negative camber on the right side?

I would definitely appreciate your input.

Thanks,

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More information Pete.

1. Did you check your tire pressures and are they set according to the car's door placard?
2. Did you recently buy new tires? If so, did the problem start with the new tires? Y or N
3. If so, are these tires the recommended size for your car?

Camber? Is your camber within BMW's specifications for your car? Why are you talking about 'wishbones'?
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Your alignment sheets are not showing up. But I'd guess the caster on the right side is more negative then the left side. This will cause the car to pivot around the right tire (pull right). A smaller diameter wheel will bring the caster closer to zero and the pull won't be as great.

My guess is you have a tweaked engine cradle. You wouldn't believe the fight I had with one insurance rep to get one replaced. But once the cradle was replaced, car went straight as an arrow.
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2011 F10 528i SAME PROBLEM... Much worse on cold tires (LS2's) Aligned twice at dealer. BMW Technician, are you saying that I need to install camber ajusting whshbones and increase the negative camber on the right side?

Try this: 0.25 degree less negative camber, right front.

How's she feel?
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I am not sure whether those specs are within tolerance but they do look ... funny, to me. (I won't say how because, as I said, I am not certain.)

Who is doing the alignments? Is it a dealer, a BMW independent specialist shop, a general auto repair shop or your local tires-and-suspension chain? BMWs must be aligned with the suspension in the "normal loaded position," which means, at a defined loaded ride height. This entails placing a considerable amount of ballast weight in specific locations in the car, in addition to a full tank of fuel, while the vehicle is on the alignment rack. If your shop is not doing this, your suspension is out of alignment, and you need to start with alignment #4 from a tech who knows what he's doing.
I have NEVER seen anyone do this besides the BMW dealership and I will be damned if I pay 180 dollars for an alignment
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I have NEVER seen anyone do this besides the BMW dealership and I will be damned if I pay 180 dollars for an alignment
Then you have NEVER seen anyone other than a dealer do the job right. There is no other way (besides guesswork and blind luck) to align a BMW exactly to specification. There are plenty of independent shops out there who charge less than a dealership for a proper alignment.

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It's driveable, don't get me wrong but it's not enjoyable to drive as it always tends to drift right.
When you are driving on a three-or-more-lane Interstate, does it track straight when you drive in the center or left lanes? You could simply be feeling the effect of road crown. Most roads are sloped to the right for drainage and some cars tend to follow the slope more than others. The center and left lanes of a multi-lane highway are generally closer to level. The differences in tracking in the various lanes can help determine whether there really is a problem with the car.
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