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Old 12-14-2013, 07:37 AM
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X Drive in the snow?

Hello all!! Haven't been on the forum in a while. Does anyone know how good or bad X Drive is in the snow? My 535 isn't doing so well in the snow today!! Am I supposed to activate it some way? Slippin and sliding!! Thanks for any help or suggestions.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:42 AM
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Hello all!! Haven't been on the forum in a while. Does anyone know how good or bad X Drive is in the snow? My 535 isn't doing so well in the snow today!! Am I supposed to activate it some way? Slippin and sliding!! Thanks for any help or suggestions.
xDrive is superb in the snow... provided you have the correct tires. It's the tires that provide the interface, and the standard A/S tires are crap. A good set of performance winter tires + xDrive + RTFM and knowing how to optimize traction control for deep snow = Priceless.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:46 AM
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xDrive is superb in the snow... provided you have the correct tires. It's the tires that provide the interface, and the standard A/S tires are crap. A good set of performance winter tires + xDrive + RTFM and knowing how to optimize traction control for deep snow = Priceless.
Forgive me, what is RTFM? I Have the run-flats now. Your suggestion is snow/winter tires + RTFM. Sorry for my lack of knowledge.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:51 AM
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X Drive in the snow?

All wheel drive is not all wheel stop. AWD is good for initial traction. The safest way to navigate the snow is to drive slowly.


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Old 12-14-2013, 08:01 AM
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Hello all!! Haven't been on the forum in a while. Does anyone know how good or bad X Drive is in the snow? My 535 isn't doing so well in the snow today!! Am I supposed to activate it some way? Slippin and sliding!! Thanks for any help or suggestions.
Let me guess, you have Good Year Eagle LS right? X-drive is not too bad in the snow, not as good as Audi Quattro in my opinion but it is better than most part time AWD systems. There are better all season tires out there for snow than the Eagle LS, but if you want to improve sliding and braking distance, you will need snow tires. I live in the Boston MA area and I can usually get by with a good set of all season tires and AWD. I have the Conti pro-contact and got by fine last winter in moderate snow covered road.
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:04 AM
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Forgive me, what is RTFM?
He is telling you to read the fu*ken manual, please excuse his language
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:07 AM
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xDrive is superb in the snow... provided you have the correct tires. It's the tires that provide the interface, and the standard A/S tires are crap. A good set of performance winter tires + xDrive + RTFM and knowing how to optimize traction control for deep snow = Priceless.
RTFM TO YOU TOO.
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:09 AM
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He is telling you to read the fu*ken manual, please excuse his language
Your language, not mine. And that acronym was coined long before I joined BF.

It is amazing how few folks who spend $70,000 on a car take time to read the manual - F-ing or otherwise. I find Hill Descent Control to be amazingly useful in the winter, yet almost nobody knows what it is. (Saved my bacon last winter coming down a steep, 3-mile access road at Sugarloaf, which was covered in 1/2 inch of solid ice. 4wd pickups with locking diffs in the ditch on either side, but HDC got me down safely).

Similarly, almost no one takes the time to read how to properly set their traction control in soft snow or deep sand. You paid for the feature, why not learn how to use it?
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:12 AM
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RTFM TO YOU TOO.
Uh, I have. Cover to cover.

If you had read yours you wouldn't be on here asking questions like "Am I supposed to activate xDrive in some way."

If you "have the run-flats now" you most likely have A/S (all season) tires, which suck in snow. Get yourself a decent set of winter performance tires.

SRSLY, quit while you are ahead.
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:18 AM
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This is my 4th BMW with x-drive and it is excellent with the proper tires. My last one, I didn't even bother with putting snow tires on in the winter because the Continental DSW' s (or is it DWS.. whatever) were so good in the snow and it did great. I think since '04, I've only seen the yellow traction/stability light go off in snow about 6 times, it's very rare I lose traction with x-drive. My 528 has been doing just as well as the others I've owned, after I learned to hold 1st going up a steep hill. For going down, "Hill Descent" is fantastic!
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:58 AM
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This is my 4th BMW with x-drive and it is excellent with the proper tires. My last one, I didn't even bother with putting snow tires on in the winter because the Continental DSW' s (or is it DWS.. whatever) were so good in the snow and it did great. I think since '04, I've only seen the yellow traction/stability light go off in snow about 6 times, it's very rare I lose traction with x-drive. My 528 has been doing just as well as the others I've owned, after I learned to hold 1st going up a steep hill. For going down, "Hill Descent" is fantastic!
The DWS are very good tires. But to the best of my knowledge, they have never been OE tires for BMW
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Old 12-14-2013, 09:53 AM
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The DWS are very good tires. But to the best of my knowledge, they have never been OE tires for BMW
You're right. The first thing I always do is swap out whichever run flats come with my car for non run flats. They just are not for me.
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Old 12-14-2013, 09:58 AM
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My '14 550xi is fantastic in the snow...I have a dedicated set of winter wheels (19" 351's) with Dunlop wintersports...great!


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Old 12-14-2013, 11:00 AM
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Hello all!! Haven't been on the forum in a while. Does anyone know how good or bad X Drive is in the snow? My 535 isn't doing so well in the snow today!! Am I supposed to activate it some way? Slippin and sliding!! Thanks for any help or suggestions.
Did you get performance summer tires with the M Sport line?

If so! Those tires are not recommended for use at temperatures below 45 degrees and especially not on snow or icy roads.

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Old 12-14-2013, 11:03 AM
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Did you get performance summer tires with the M Sport line?

If so! those tires are not to be used at temperatures below 45 degrees and especially not on snow or icy roads.
While you are correct about the dangers of using summer tires in the winter, the OP's sig indicates he has an xDrive. xDrives come with A/S tires like the GY LS2.
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Old 12-14-2013, 11:14 AM
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X Drive in the snow?

Very happy with xDrive/snow tire combo on my 535dx. Not the tank in the snow my X5 was, but better than the Volvo haldex awd system or Infiniti awd I've driven in similar conditions.

xDrive is actually a full time system like Quattro. It can send 100% to one axle but is 60/40 most of the time. It is not a part time system.


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Old 12-14-2013, 09:14 PM
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Your language, not mine. And that acronym was coined long before I joined BF.

It is amazing how few folks who spend $70,000 on a car take time to read the manual - F-ing or otherwise. I find Hill Descent Control to be amazingly useful in the winter, yet almost nobody knows what it is. (Saved my bacon last winter coming down a steep, 3-mile access road at Sugarloaf, which was covered in 1/2 inch of solid ice. 4wd pickups with locking diffs in the ditch on either side, but HDC got me down safely).

Similarly, almost no one takes the time to read how to properly set their traction control in soft snow or deep sand. You paid for the feature, why not learn how to use it?
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Old 12-14-2013, 09:17 PM
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Very happy with xDrive/snow tire combo on my 535dx. Not the tank in the snow my X5 was, but better than the Volvo haldex awd system or Infiniti awd I've driven in similar conditions.

xDrive is actually a full time system like Quattro. It can send 100% to one axle but is 60/40 most of the time. It is not a part time system.


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Old 12-15-2013, 10:56 AM
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Had our first significant snow of the season last night and today was my first time testing my new 5er with X Drive in the snow with all season Continental RFTs. It performed like a champ I'm happy to report. I drove uphill, downhill, took some turns purposely faster than usual and car stayed online with minimal slippage. Ice of course is a different story- I had to even be careful with my old Land Cruiser in icy conditions. I've been very satisfied with a combination of all seasons and an AWD system for my current 528 and X3, and past Acura MDX and RL in snowy conditions.
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Old 12-15-2013, 02:18 PM
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Same here in Boston, about 6 inches of snow last nice and had no problem getting around in my 535xi with Conti runflats.
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Old 12-15-2013, 02:47 PM
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To beat a dead horse, it's all about the tires.

Don't even attempt driving on snow with summer tires; it takes about 2 days to stop. They are dangerous.

A/S tires with X-Drive are decent.

The best option is X-Drive and a set of winter tires.

I pulled off the OEM "bubbling" Goodyears that came with my car, and the only run-flat replacement (at the time) were summers. For the winter, I bought a set of stock 18" wheels with A/S run-flats, and while I'd prefer snows, we just don't get enough snow in Chicago to warrant the extra expense.
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Old 12-15-2013, 02:50 PM
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I've been very satisfied with a combination of all seasons and an AWD system for my current 528 and X3, and past Acura MDX and RL in snowy conditions.
Maybe you just don't get enough snow in NJ. IMHO all seasons are a hazard in snow conditions. That is why the province north of you has taken the step of making it illegal to use all season tires in the winter. Many countries in Europe have also banned the use of all season tires in the winter. All season tires are simply not designed to be used in temperatures below 45f.

AWD does not help you stop faster. Tire Rack tests at 30 MPH on an AWD Porsche Cayenne showed it took 41 more feet to stop in all seasons vs winter tires. Thats several car lenghts at just 30 MPH http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=109 Study after study demonstrates the same results.

I don't know how often you get snow in your part of the state. But if it does snow often, try a set of winter tires once and you will never go back to using all season in the winter
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Old 12-15-2013, 03:04 PM
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^+1. None of my vehicles will ever run an all season tire again. The sacrifice in safety is simply not worth it IMO. I have driven a couple friends vehicles, rentals, loaners etc while in snow and it is downright terrifying after having a vehicle equipped with tires that meet the severe weather certification. Many people think their cars are incredible in the snow after getting out of a car with bald tires, but most of the time they haven't driven a car with a winter rated tire.

^If it doesn't have that label, it doesn't go on my vehicles during the winter.

It is downright embarrassing how so many tires are marketed in this country as an 'all season' whereas in other countries they are sold as a summer only.

In Europe there are a few manufacturers that sell a TRUE 'all weather' tire that CAN be used in summer and doesn't get damaged, yet still offers incredible winter performance. I put a set on my X5 diesel and It was night and day compared to the OEM Bridgestones. These are Nokian WRG3 tires, a true all season.
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Old 12-15-2013, 03:08 PM
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All season tires are simply not designed to be used in temperatures below 45f. )
Wrong. That would be the temp threshold for summer tires. All Seasons work down a lot lower than that.

And they are not dangerous. Many are, but many are not. I had Conti DWS's on my RWD 535 and blasted through a lot of snow while I had it. But those were excellent tires for snow.

Bottom line, if you know how to drive, and have decent A/S tires, and don't see a lot of snow, A/S's are fine.

Now when I lived up North, and had RWD cars, i fit Blizzaks every time.
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Wrong. That would be the temp threshold for summer tires. All Seasons work down a lot lower than that.
Sorry, it is you that is wrong.

From Tire Rack:
Winter driving...ice and snow...slipping and sliding...dings and dents. While today's ABS, traction control and stability systems maintain vehicle control, they are programmed to limit a vehicle's mobility to the traction available from its tires. With months of winter driving ahead, don't let all-season tires hold you back. Wouldn't you rather drive on winter / snow tires to help reduce travel times, tension and stress?

Continental Tire, a European leader in winter / snow tires, actively promotes the fact that summer and all-season tire tread compounds become harder and more rigid as temperatures drop below 45°F, resulting in decreased grip whether the roads are dry, wet or covered by snow. Winter / snow tire tread compounds remain flexible at lower temperatures, increasing interaction with the road to provide better grip.

Continental ContiWinterContact and Continental 4x4 WinterContact Performance Winter / Snow tires feature rubber compounds that remain flexible in cold temperatures while their asymmetric tread designs combine responsive handling with snow traction.

Switch to Continental winter / snow tires when temperatures drop to 45°F.



From Michelin Tire:

You don’t have to live in Iceland to benefit from winter tires. If you frequently encounter snow or ice, or if the temperature is consistently below 7° C, your tires need the extra grip and turning capabilities that only winter tires can deliver.

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Why Winter Tires Over All-SeasonsShare S

Special Rubber Compound / Flexible Tread

Winter tires have a special rubber compound that is designed for cold temperatures and stays pliable in cold conditions to give you better traction in wintery road conditions. For this reason, it is also recommended to remove your winter tires in the summer because they will wear faster in warmer temperatures.

When the temperature reaches below 7°C, all–season tires become rigid and lose traction; therefore, Tirecraft recommends that winter tires should be considered for driving in these cooler temperatures.
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