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I don't understand since you are already in.... *fantasy land*.
Do you have tips of things to see here? After all, you must have a timeshare here or something.

In yours, everyone races only 5-60(obviously, no speedlimits above 60mph), the N52 was kept, they added direct injection and it was so much better that the N20 never existed. You also get to put in 89 octane in your direct injected BMW, making even more superior to the Accord and Lexus Camry Es350 that you are beating from the 5mph roll.
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And every F30 owner in this forum doesn't care what you think.

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Just pass my replies and you'll be fine. "Thank you for your cooperation." I have been 2 years in the E90 section (when I still had my E46) before getting one, lol. I still want a 335i, if not a 435i.
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I don't think he would have argued with you, had BMW developed a mass volume SUV, and used the profit to design the 3 series to cater more for the purists.
They did.

The SAV(The X5-the X3, and now the X1) meant more money for BMW. This meant $$$ for the bread and butter sales champ the 3 which allows development of engines like the N20 and a bigger unibody with accommodating rear seating while being LIGHTER. It also allowed a lot more standard features and tech baked into the car while not inflating the price.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:19 PM
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They did.

The SAV(The X5-the X3, and now the X1) meant more money for BMW. This meant $$$ for the bread and butter sales champ the 3 which allows development of engines like the N20 and a bigger unibody with accommodating rear seating while being LIGHTER. It also allowed a lot more standard features and tech baked into the car while not inflating the price.
That is not designing the 3 for the purists, it is for the mainstream.
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:29 AM
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That is not designing the 3 for the purists, it is for the mainstream.
I am a purist and I bought one. Doubt I am the only one.

A purist can find previous 3 series just a bit small(trunk, rear legroom, front shoulder room) and still want other driving ingredients for driving enjoyment.
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I am a purist and I bought one. Doubt I am the only one.

A purist can find previous 3 series just a bit small(trunk, rear legroom, front shoulder room) and still want other driving ingredients for driving enjoyment.
Then you are not a purist, or at least you once were, but now prefer things that do not define a purist. By the above definition, an Accord owner is a purist, because he prefers, and gets the same things described above in an Accord.

Seriously though, no 3 series driver can be considered a purist. But we have other priorities, mainly a family to haul around, and cannot afford another weekend "purist" car. But at least if you are willing to sacrifice some ride comfort, room, trunk space..., for the enjoyment of driving a sporty car, you can claim your purist side of it.

For you my friend, if you have the weekend car to fulfill your purist side of it, then the F30 is likely to fulfill your family sedan daily commuter side of it. Good for you, but most 3 series drivers are not in your shoes.

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Old 01-02-2013, 09:08 AM
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Then you are not a purist, or at least you once were, but now prefer things that do not define a purist. By the above definition, an Accord owner is a purist, because he prefers, and gets the same things described above in an Accord.
You do not get to tell me what a purist is, sorry. Not any one variable, like size of a car defines a purist.
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You do not get to tell me what a purist is, sorry. Not any one variable, like size of a car defines a purist.
I do get to tell you what I consider a purist, and by my definition, seeking more trunk space for example, is definitely not in the confine of a purist. You can certainly disagree.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:39 AM
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I do get to tell you what I consider a purist, and by my definition, seeking more trunk space for example, is definitely not in the confine of a purist. You can certainly disagree.
Yes, there is opinion and you can have your opinion. You just kind of stated it as if fact.

In my opinion, you are not a purist...

You are not a purist...

Things often do not come across as intended on the internet

My Roadster keeps my purist cred(to me and others). It only has ABS and a couple of airbags, it's a 2 seater with classic proportions and a joke of a trunk. There are others who call themselves purists for having something even SMALLER with carbs, manual steering, and roll up windows. I can be a purist who also owns a daily driver. Daily drivers have different things that define them.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:47 AM
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Yes, there is opinion and you can have your opinion. You just kind of stated it as if fact.

In my opinion, you are not a purist...

You are not a purist...

Things often do not come across as intended on the internet

My Roadster keeps my purist cred(to me and others). It only has ABS and a couple of airbags, it's a 2 seater with classic proportions and a joke of a trunk. There are others who call themselves purists for having something even SMALLER with carbs, manual steering, and roll up windows. I can be a purist who also owns a daily driver. Daily drivers have different things that define them.
+1 Heck we could say you're not a purist unless you have a manual transmission. But that doesn't make it so either. It's what you like.
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+1 Heck we could say you're not a purist unless you have a manual transmission. But that doesn't make it so either. It's what you like.
Well, both of my cars have manuals, it's one of the purist elements. BUT, you do not automatically not become a purist for driving an automatic. There are plenty of purist driving experiences such as the PDK Porsches, Ferrari 458 Italia or E92 M3 DCTs that are still very much drivers cars.
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Yes, there is opinion and you can have your opinion. You just kind of stated it as if fact.

In my opinion, you are not a purist...

You are not a purist...

Things often do not come across as intended on the internet

My Roadster keeps my purist cred(to me and others). It only has ABS and a couple of airbags, it's a 2 seater with classic proportions and a joke of a trunk. There are others who call themselves purists for having something even SMALLER with carbs, manual steering, and roll up windows. I can be a purist who also owns a daily driver. Daily drivers have different things that define them.
Of course it was my opinion, if you can't tell a fact from an opinion, there is not much I can say.

BTW, you don't have to remind me, I know I am not a purist, until such time I buy something like a Porsche 911, or Cayman as a weekend car.

I will then probably have to downgrade my 328i to something like a Cruze Eco as a highway commuter. But I will not go to a Cruze forum telling everyone I am a driving purist, despite the fact I know the Cruze Eco is actually a fun car to drive.
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Of course it was my opinion, if you can't tell a fact from an opinion, there is not much I can say.

BTW, you don't have to remind me, I know I am not a purist, until such time I buy something like a Porsche 911, or Cayman as a weekend car.

I will then probably have to downgrade my 328i to something like a Cruze Eco as a highway commuter. But I will not go to a Cruze forum telling everyone I am a driving purist, despite the fact I know the Cruze Eco is actually a fun car to drive.
I can tell the difference, but I also can take offense when someone makes a statement in a very D-bag tone/demeanor

Again, purists can be purists and own cars that make the cut. But they still can have daily drivers.

I know people who have things like Forresters or even Geo Metros for an every day car that have things in the garage that leave me drooling.

I guess I could see your point if I bought my F30 as my purists car, my only car and wanted it to be all things that I get from my other car. That is not my intention or BMW's with a base 3 series.
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I can tell the difference, but I also can take offense when someone makes a statement in a very D-bag tone/demeanor

Again, purists can be purists and own cars that make the cut. But they still can have daily drivers.
They can certainly have daily drivers, but they should not go to the daily driver's forums and claim their daily drivers prove they are purists, doing so could show their D-bag side
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They can certainly have daily drivers, but they should not go to the daily driver's forums and claim their daily drivers prove they are purists, doing so could show their D-bag side
First:

I can post in this forum all I want, just as you are allowed to even though you do not have the car designated by this forum. Out of the two of us, that puts you closer to the D-bag side.

Now on your point, if I posted in my E36/7 forum without owning one, talking bad about their cars while extolling the virtues of my F30-that is D-Bag city!

Second:

I do not recall stating that my daily driver is what I regard as the vehicle that would define or not define me as a purist.
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I do not recall stating that my daily driver is what I regard as the vehicle that would define or not define me as a purist.
So it turns out we do not disagree after all on this, if you agree with me with this aspect of the F30, can you still call me a D-bag simply because I don't drive an F30?

If anything, E90, or going back to E46, have more claim of a purist intent, than F30. If you don't believe me, just ask BJ.
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So it turns out we do not disagree after all on this, if you agree with me with this aspect of the F30, can you still call me a D-bag simply because I don't drive an F30?

If anything, E90, or going back to E46, have more claim of a purist intent, than F30. If you don't believe me, just ask BJ.
LOL. Does D-bag stand for "douche" or "dick" BTW?
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So it turns out we do not disagree after all on this, if you agree with me with this aspect of the F30, can you still call me a D-bag simply because I don't drive an F30?

If anything, E90, or going back to E46, have more claim of a purist intent, than F30. If you don't believe me, just ask BJ.
I have made no claims of you being or not being a purist. I don't know enough about you or need to on an internet forum.

I also did not call you a D-bag for not driving an F30. You implied I could be considered a D-bag for stating my purist cred on another forum-one not directly related to the car I care about, but my DD. I was stating that the closest thing to your hypothetical is what you are doing already

I think it is a bit of accepted knowledge that every generation of small BMW dating back from the 2002 has gotten bigger, heavier, more civilized, a bit farther away from the purists ideal. But that does not make any one iteration a complete failure to the purist mindset. Again, you give a little here and you get a lot more of something else in return.
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LOL. Does D-bag stand for "douche" or "dick" BTW?
I dunno about everyone else, I use D-bag to mean DOUCHE-BAG.
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I have made no claims of you being or not being a purist. I don't know enough about you or need to on an internet forum.

I also did not call you a D-bag for not driving an F30. You implied I could be considered a D-bag for stating my purist cred on another forum-one not directly related to the car I care about, but my DD. I was stating that the closest thing to your hypothetical is what you are doing already

I think it is a bit of accepted knowledge that every generation of small BMW dating back from the 2002 has gotten bigger, heavier, more civilized, a bit farther away from the purists ideal. But that does not make any one iteration a complete failure to the purist mindset. Again, you give a little here and you get a lot more of something else in return.
I think BJ, who claims to represent 98% of the F30 drivers, will disagree with you. According to him, the F30 finally moves away from a pretending purist car, and bravo for that.
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I think BJ, who claims to represent 98% of the F30 drivers, will disagree with you. According to him, the F30 finally moves away from a pretending purist car, and bravo for that.
Since being here, you have been nothing but obsessed with BJ and taking what he says and flinging back as to be clever.

Be your own person, make your own arguments.

I can say clearly there are some things I agree with BJ on and others not so much. He bought one of the most polar opposite cars one can buy within the same series. He got what he wanted, the experience he wanted and it's quite different than mine.

I do not need to be pigeon held into what a BMW driver is, or what a F30 328 driver is. I buy what I like, I do what I like. I ordered a bare bones manual-many would advise against that. The minute I broke the car in, it was on the dyno-many won't even know what that means. I instantly began modifying it, making it sound better, go faster, look better, handle better-most would cringe and think only of the warranty. I already pulled out the wood trim myself and swapped in the aluminum-most would leave things as is and surely pay the dealer to do it if they did. I also plan on Auto-x, track days, and maybe even a few 1/4 passes in between the occasional redlight 0-70 pull.

I care not one bit about what people would do or think I should do with my car purchase. I really did not want to buy a new BMW as I have had bad experiences with every modern BMW encounter as who the typical owner(aside from a guy at the parts counter who was picking up parts for his Z4 who insisted I track my car with the CCA). Only the fact that my CC was up for replacement and the F30 N20/6mt combo made for such a good lateral move, that is the only reason I gave in to buy such a me-too car.
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Since being here, you have been nothing but obsessed with BJ and taking what he says and flinging back as to be clever.

Be your own person, make your own arguments.

I can say clearly there are some things I agree with BJ on and others not so much. He bought one of the most polar opposite cars one can buy within the same series. He got what he wanted, the experience he wanted and it's quite different than mine.

I do not need to be pigeon held into what a BMW driver is, or what a F30 328 driver is. I buy what I like, I do what I like. I ordered a bare bones manual-many would advise against that. The minute I broke the car in, it was on the dyno-many won't even know what that means. I instantly began modifying it, making it sound better, go faster, look better, handle better-most would cringe and think only of the warranty. I already pulled out the wood trim myself and swapped in the aluminum-most would leave things as is and surely pay the dealer to do it if they did. I also plan on Auto-x, track days, and maybe even a few 1/4 passes in between the occasional redlight 0-70 pull.

I care not one bit about what people would do or think I should do with my car purchase. I really did not want to buy a new BMW as I have had bad experiences with every modern BMW encounter as who the typical owner(aside from a guy at the parts counter who was picking up parts for his Z4 who insisted I track my car with the CCA). Only the fact that my CC was up for replacement and the F30 N20/6mt combo made for such a good lateral move, that is the only reason I gave in to buy such a me-too car.
I think you have just proved me, sainter, and BJ's points, all in one post, not a small accomplishment I must say.
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I think you have just proved me, sainter, and BJ's points, all in one post, not a small accomplishment I must say.
Thanks for proving my point-yet again
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I posted this impression of the F30 in another thread, but I think it's relevant here. As my immediate point of reference was an E46 6 speed manual coupe that I drove for 6 years. A purist car of sorts.

Took the 335i through Old Topanga and back yesterday aftenoon, now that it's broken in. It felt every bit a tossable 3 Series. I wasn't sure how it would corner on some of those really tight twisties since the Sport susension is more "refined" than the M. The run flats scrubbed a bit on really hard corners, but were remarkably good considering all the flack you here about them. Car felt very flat in the turns.

The turbo really pulls on the climb and of course the cabin is much quieter than the M3. Steering in Sports mode felt tight and stable.

There is one really sharp jog to the right going Northbound not far from New Topanga. The rock hillside is very close to the lane. It put the pucker factor in when driving my old 530i. One of the first things I noticed when I got an E46 325i was you could power on around that bend and remain in your lane quite easily. My first experience with a 3er. The F30 has that same feel.

Thinking about it, I've been driving that canyon since 1971 starting with motorcycles and various cars through the years. A good reference for one's ride.

Purist? All I know is I don't miss the M3. Seems to me, if all you wanted was a DD any F30 will fill the bill. But that doesn't mean if you love driving in more than a straight line an F30 is not a purist kind of sport sedan.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:28 AM
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I posted this impression of the F30 in another thread, but I think it's relevant here. As my immediate point of reference was an E46 6 speed manual coupe that I drove for 6 years. A purist car of sorts.

Took the 335i through Old Topanga and back yesterday aftenoon, now that it's broken in. It felt every bit a tossable 3 Series. I wasn't sure how it would corner on some of those really tight twisties since the Sport susension is more "refined" than the M. The run flats scrubbed a bit on really hard corners, but were remarkably good considering all the flack you here about them. Car felt very flat in the turns.

The turbo really pulls on the climb and of course the cabin is much quieter than the M3. Steering in Sports mode felt tight and stable.

There is one really sharp jog to the right going Northbound not far from New Topanga. The rock hillside is very close to the lane. It put the pucker factor in when driving my old 530i. One of the first things I noticed when I got an E46 325i was you could power on around that bend and remain in your lane quite easily. My first experience with a 3er. The F30 has that same feel.

Thinking about it, I've been driving that canyon since 1971 starting with motorcycles and various cars through the years. A good reference for one's ride.

Purist? All I know is I don't miss the M3. Seems to me, if all you wanted was a DD any F30 will fill the bill. But that doesn't mean if you love driving in more than a straight line an F30 is not a purist kind of sport sedan.

Good input,


I think you can support, that if something was "decreased" in the F30, it was not drastic and decreasing is not the same as eliminating. And while somethings were decreased, others were increased in a positive way.
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