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Old 12-31-2012, 05:45 AM
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Hey Im in the same situation than you, I tried a diferent way, I added 2XA Sport Steering Wheel with paddles but without success, if you want put this option over the M steering wheel you will have to put 7XA.

Good luck!!! Were in the same ship
I haven't tried 2XA/7XA yet, may try later.
Have you added 2XA with 2TB?
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:14 AM
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Yes, I have added the 2XA with 2TB but I got nothing, cos sowftware of my car has got in the Module ICM (CAFD_0000067B_002_002_0049) C_MF_LENKRAD, VALUE=INSTALLED, so disable the SALAPA element 2XA in all models F2X and F3X. so Ill have to upgrade car's firmware, cos now is posible to order your car with the 2XA option.

In addition, in our cars 2TB option does not exist, therefore if you program your car with this, this will be ignored and it will work with the default which is 205. Calculate FD doesnt give a error becouse the instruction is OK, but not for ours cars, the program is not able to recognize the different configurations made by BMW, to judge whether they are right or not

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Old 01-01-2013, 08:55 AM
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Yes, I have added the 2XA with 2TB but I got nothing, cos sowftware of my car has got in the Module ICM (CAFD_0000067B_002_002_0049) C_MF_LENKRAD, VALUE=INSTALLED, so disable the SALAPA element 2XA in all models F2X and F3X. so Ill have to upgrade car's firmware, cos now is posible to order your car with the 2XA option.

In addition, in our cars 2TB option does not exist, therefore if you program your car with this, this will be ignored and it will work with the default which is 205. Calculate FD doesnt give a error becouse the instruction is OK, but not for ours cars, the program is not able to recognize the different configurations made by BMW, to judge whether they are right or not
What do you mean 2TB does not exist? 2TB is a valid Option Code for both the F20 and F25, so replacing 205 in FA with 2TB and then VO Coding the car should be no problem.
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Old 01-01-2013, 09:32 AM
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This option isnt allow in engines like 18i and 20d, ony 35i 35d
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:00 PM
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This option isnt allow in engines like 18i and 20d, ony 35i 35d
Ok, that makes sense then if it can't be ordered on the smaller displacement motors.

However, I would still expect E-Sys to be unable to calculate FP if an option code such as 2TB was used with an incompatible motor. And right or wrong, if it did successfully calculate FP, I would then expect it to properly VO Code the car for 2TB.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:20 PM
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Ok, that makes sense then if it can't be ordered on the smaller displacement motors.

However, I would still expect E-Sys to be unable to calculate FP if an option code such as 2TB was used with an incompatible motor. And right or wrong, if it did successfully calculate FP, I would then expect it to properly VO Code the car for 2TB.
The Calculate FP is to correct typographical errors when you're adding new codes, I guess
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Old 01-01-2013, 02:18 PM
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The Calculate FP is to correct typographical errors when you're adding new codes, I guess
Ok. E-Sys FA Logic is not as smart as I thought it was.

If I added an option unique to another PSdZData set, for example 196 Explosion Proof Fuel Tank from the 7 Series, FP would not calculate, as expected.

If I added an option within my own PSdZData set, for example 552 LED Headlights from the 6 Series, FP would calculate, even though 552 is not available on the 5 series chassis. Since the 5 and 6 series share the same PSdZData though, it surprisingly allowed it.

More surprising though, it allowed 552 LED Headlights simultaneously with 522 Xenon Headlights, even though a car could have only one or the other. I wonder what would happen if FRM was VO Coded with both in the VO?

Now when it comes to actual VO Coding though, I think some additional logic must be applied as I know for sure it will code the same VO Options differently based on the production date in the VO.

So, sadly it seems quite possible that a VO with 2TB and an incompatible motor can calculate FP, and that the VO Coding based on that would still ignore 2TB.
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Old 01-01-2013, 02:46 PM
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Ok. E-Sys FA Logic is not as smart as I thought it was.

If I added an option unique to another PSdZData set, for example 196 Explosion Proof Fuel Tank from the 7 Series, FP would not calculate, as expected.

If I added an option within my own PSdZData set, for example 552 LED Headlights from the 6 Series, FP would calculate, even though 552 is not available on the 5 series chassis. Since the 5 and 6 series share the same PSdZData though, it surprisingly allowed it.

More surprising though, it allowed 552 LED Headlights simultaneously with 522 Xenon Headlights, even though a car could have only one or the other. I wonder what would happen if FRM was VO Coded with both in the VO?

Now when it comes to actual VO Coding though, I think some additional logic must be applied as I know for sure it will code the same VO Options differently based on the production date in the VO.

So, sadly it seems quite possible that a VO with 2TB and an incompatible motor can calculate FP, and that the VO Coding based on that would still ignore 2TB.
I'm afraid, it is so
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:28 PM
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Hey Im in the same situation than you, I tried a diferent way, I added 2XA Sport Steering Wheel with paddles but without success, if you want put this option over the M steering wheel you will have to put 7XA.

Good luck!!! Were in the same ship
Is 2XA / 7XA unique to the F25? Why not 2TB?

Do you have another F25 with working paddles that you can check the VO on?
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:56 AM
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Is 2XA / 7XA unique to the F25? Why not 2TB?

Do you have another F25 with working paddles that you can check the VO on?
Explanation of the different codes for all F series:

2XA: Sport Steering Wheel with paddles
7XA: M Steering Wheel with paddles
2TB: Sproting behavior of the gearbox and different aesthetics of the gear selector switch.

Whit any angine you can order de automatic trans 205 with 2XA since August 2012
Only with engine 35i and 35d you can order 2TB with 7XA.

unfortunately I do not know anyone?

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Old 01-02-2013, 05:29 AM
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Explanation of the different codes for all F series:

2XA: Sport Steering Wheel with paddles
7XA: M Steering Wheel with paddles
2TB: Sproting behavior of the gearbox and different aesthetics of the gear selector switch.

Whit any angine you can order de automatic trans 205 with 2XA since August 2012
Only with engine 35i and 35d you can order 2TB with 7XA.

unfortunately I do not know anyone?
Makes sense.

Ok. Here is what you do. Go to your local dealer, take "test drive" of F25 with Paddle Shifters, pull around the corner, whip out your laptop and ENET cable, read and save the VO, then return car with your thanks but no thanks on purchase.
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Old 01-02-2013, 05:34 AM
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Explanation of the different codes for all F series:

2XA: Sport Steering Wheel with paddles
7XA: M Steering Wheel with paddles
2TB: Sproting behavior of the gearbox and different aesthetics of the gear selector switch.

Whit any angine you can order de automatic trans 205 with 2XA since August 2012
Only with engine 35i and 35d you can order 2TB with 7XA.

unfortunately I do not know anyone?
What is the build date of your F25?
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Just wondering, F20 M135i which come with 2TB and paddles, don't have 2XA/7XA

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Just wondering, F20 M135i which come with 2TB and paddles, don't have 2XA/7XA

Why would it? It will only have one of the 3, either 2TB, 2XA, or 7XA.

The Steering Wheel in covered by S249A Multifunction f steering wheel, and S710A M leather steering wheel.
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Why would it? It will only have one of the 3, either 2TB, 2XA, or 7XA.

The Steering Wheel in covered by S249A Multifunction f steering wheel, and S710A M leather steering wheel.
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And according to realoem/ETK, the paddles depend on 2TB only...
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...29&hg=61&fg=35
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What is the build date of your F25?
The build date is 2011-09-19
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And according to realoem/ETK, the paddles depend on 2TB only...
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...29&hg=61&fg=35
Your are right, but only in F20 series for F25 series you need to add 7XA cos there are two possibilities for 2TB one with and one without

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...US&hg=32&fg=35
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The build date is 2011-09-19
So did you try changing your VO Production Date to 0812 before VO coding 2XA and or 7XA?
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Your are right, but only in F20 series for F25 series you need to add 7XA cos there are two possibilities for 2TB one with and one without

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...US&hg=32&fg=35
I see, that's why I never seen 2TE/2XA/7XA on F20/F30
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So did you try changing your VO Production Date to 0812 before VO coding 2XA and or 7XA?
No, I didn't. Can you explain how to do it?

I have the Esys 3.18 Psdzdata 4.47.5 Do I need to upgrade to 4.48.1?

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No, I didn't. Can you explain how to do it?
If your Vehicle Production Date is before an Option Code was available, when you VO Code the Option Code will be ignored, so you must change the VO Production Date to a date at least equal to when the option first became available:
  1. Connect to car
  2. Go to Expert Mode - Coding
    • Read FA
    • SAVE FA => Original.xml
    • Edit FA
  3. Saved FA (Original.xml) Opens in FA-Editor
    • Expand FAList / FA / FZAuftrag / Type
    • Right Click on Zeitkriterium=xxxx
    • Select Edit and change date to 0812
    • Right Click on FA
    • Calculate FP
    • File - Save As => Modified-0812.xml
  4. Go to Expert Mode - Coding
    • Read VCM
    • Load FA => Modified-0812.xml
    • Acivate FA
    • VO Code (desired modules or whole SVT)
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If your Vehicle Production Date is before an Option Code was available, when you VO Code the Option Code will be ignored, so you must change the VO Production Date to a date at least equal to when the option first became available:
  1. Connect to car
  2. Go to Expert Mode - Coding
    • Read FA
    • SAVE FA => Original.xml
    • Edit FA
  3. Saved FA (Original.xml) Opens in FA-Editor
    • Expand FAList / FA / FZAuftrag / Type
    • Right Click on Zeitkriterium=xxxx
    • Select Edit and change date to 0812
    • Right Click on FA
    • Calculate FP
    • File - Save As => Modified-0812.xml
  4. Go to Expert Mode - Coding
    • Read VCM
    • Load FA => Modified-0812.xml
    • Acivate FA
    • VO Code (desired modules or whole SVT)
Ive tryed with archive Ive got in laptop but when Ive chande date and Calculat FP, I get the following error
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If your Vehicle Production Date is before an Option Code was available, when you VO Code the Option Code will be ignored, so you must change the VO Production Date to a date at least equal to when the option first became available:
  1. Connect to car
  2. Go to Expert Mode - Coding
    • Read FA
    • SAVE FA => Original.xml
    • Edit FA
  3. Saved FA (Original.xml) Opens in FA-Editor
    • Expand FAList / FA / FZAuftrag / Type
    • Right Click on Zeitkriterium=xxxx
    • Select Edit and change date to 0812
    • Right Click on FA
    • Calculate FP
    • File - Save As => Modified-0812.xml
  4. Go to Expert Mode - Coding
    • Read VCM
    • Load FA => Modified-0812.xml
    • Acivate FA
    • VO Code (desired modules or whole SVT)
Sorry I was wrong, I've change date to 0812 at now all its OK, later I'm going to the car to check it.

Thanks
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Ive tryed with archive Ive got in laptop but when Ive chande date and Calculat FP, I get the following error
You can't use a production date of 0912 for F25 chassis.

Try 0812 as I wrote.
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You can't use a production date of 0912 for F25 chassis.

Try 0812 as I wrote.
I'm home again, I've changed me VO Production Date to 0812 and I added 2XA but nothing has changed still not working
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