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X1 E84 (2011 - 2015)
First generation BMW X1 availbe as a X1 28i with either sDrive (RWD) or xDrive (AWD) or the US exclusive I6 N55 powered X1 35i xDrive.

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Old 03-17-2017, 08:19 AM
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Would you buy again?

My partner is in Australia getting things set up before I fly over in a few months. He is looking at buying a 2011 X1 for $20,000 AUD (45,000 KM, automatic, 4 cyl, gas, AWD) but I am not quite sold.

My immediate concerns are the power output and the fuel economy. Both seem mindbogglingly low for a vehicle sold in 2011.

My current vehicle is a 2014 F150 that has 360 hp and averages 11L/100. In comparison, the X1 has 230 less horsepower and weighs ~25% less despite getting the same fuel economy (per fuelly.com). I really struggle to wrap my head around how a relatively new vehicle can be so under powered and still get such lousy fuel economy.

What sold you on your X1? Would you buy again? How gutless are they? Aside from transmission and transfer case, what issues should I watch out for?

We don't need anything too powerful (I admit the F150 has too much power) and this is going to be our starter car while we get settled so it doesn't need to be the best car on the block, but it still needs to be decent and the specs are concerning.
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:26 AM
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Gutless? I have the 28i, and I think it has plenty of "go". Others scoff at that and say that is just for getting groceries, and that the 35i is the way to go. However, between the larger engine, weight, and added xDrive, you'll get worse fuel economy.

Having said that, I'm only getting 22mpg even with the 28i sDrive! Ugh. I drive mostly local short trips, now.

There are a lot of cars with better gas mileage, although they probably aren't as fast either. What do you want already? ;-)

Good luck with your search. I evaluated a bunch of different cars before settling on this one. I wanted something sporty with a bit more "go" than most cars, preferably with a hatch style.
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:37 AM
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The 4 cyl gas only puts out ~150 hp which will be the lowest of any post 1990 car I have owned, so that's definitely concerning.

So long as the rest of the experience is decent I am sure it'll be a good vehicle.
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:53 AM
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Must be the 4 cylinder in your market. The North American version is rated at 240 HP (actual is supposedly more like 260).
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:56 AM
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Which is where I would expect a modern vehicle to be... perhaps I am using the wrong conversion? 110 kw = 150 hp?
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:57 AM
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The 4 cyl gas only puts out ~150 hp which will be the lowest of any post 1990 car I have owned, so that's definitely concerning.

So long as the rest of the experience is decent I am sure it'll be a good vehicle.
Not sure what specific model are available there but here in the US, x28i has 240 hp and x35i has 300 hp.
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Old 03-17-2017, 11:32 AM
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As for would I buy it again, absolutely.

Do I think it should be capable of getting a little better gas mileage... yes. But does that change the way I feel about the car in slightest...no.

The 28i has plenty of power, although to be fair it has been a long time since I've had a performance car and this is my first non-family first car in awhile.

I'll also add that with how few miles I drive, the difference between the ~23 mpg I get and 30 mpg is well under $200/year.

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Old 03-17-2017, 12:20 PM
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I have the 28i xDrive and absolutely love it. The engine is amazing with plenty of go, performing like other V6's of the same time. Plus with a JB4 you can always add some 40-50 HP. The way the car handles and the steering feel is second to none IMO. Overall it feels solid, very well put together. I would definitely buy again.

As for gas mileage, I get about 10-11 L/100km. The auto start/stop helps quite a bit with that in city traffic, except I'm finding I have to top up the battery on the weekend, which I don't mind.

If you're looking at the 20i or something else then maybe test drive it first, otherwise look online on what you can do bump the horsepower a bit too get it to around 240 mark.

Only comment is this IS our family car
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:25 PM
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Hi Carterh Welcome down to OZ where you heading for? I just recently bought an x1 2011 with the 20d it has 130kw with 350nm torque xdrive ,the diesel is great on fuel if you plan on doing a few trips Im getting an average of 700+ km to the 60 litre tank, I can recommend this engine with the 6 speed auto the later has an 8 speed auto which would be better but more $$, for me the only concern is the RFT no spare, the 20d auto combo is no slouch more than enough power don't get tied down to just HP figures with 350 nm torque and 6 speed auto it really scoots, would I buy again yes but ask me in a years time. The car you are looking at must be the 18i 110kw with 200nm torque no turbo if you change your mind and go the diesel get 2011 or later problems with earlier ones good luck with your choice Craig
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:08 AM
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I took the BMW Drive in a 435 to see how a much better car should feel.

Sport mode on car felt about like my s28i, but the comfort mode was like I'd never use.

The 35 engine felt like maybe it had more power, but it seems to come in later with higher rpms, and it had the 8speed trans like mine.

I bought mine as a base model except M Sport to keep weight, complexity, and cost down.

When on the COTA track with supercars, they call me quick because I can get instant power at corner while they wind up for the 1/2 mile straight, and pass me near the end.

I like to accomplish a lot with less, and boy does this car do it.

I get the highest fun per mile on any car I've driven, and I topped out a C5 Vette once.

As for the mpg; I don't know of any car with this kind of power, and still will aver4age about 22 to 23 during life of car.

When idling without AC, my Scanguage shows it using .20 gallons per hour which is less than half what my other cars have ever used.

I'll never use the ASS or Eco Pro; once it was on, and my weak legs triggered it to start at a drive through, and nearly lost control until I threw emergency brake.

It got turned on when I used the Eco Pro on hwy which only works by running up temps.

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Old 03-18-2017, 07:37 AM
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I guess the auto start stop is not for everyone but I found it to be a great way to reduce fuel consumption. You can always throw it into park and then it will stay off even if you let go of the brake or press it again - it's off until you engage drive again.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:49 AM
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I don't even turn off car while my wife shops if outside is over 85 degs.

Of course, My s28i only has 20k miles in 4 years, so gas waste isn't much of a problem for me, and with AC car uses .4 gallons per hour or about $1/hour to stay cool, and keep battery charged.

I DO like the idea of BMW turning off the charging of battery during acceleration, and turning the charging back on for deceleration, but one needs to very protective of battery charge.

Every BMW driver has been able to configure and use his car to his own taste which makes these discussions interesting
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:45 AM
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I bought mine as a base model except M Sport to keep weight, complexity, and cost down.

When on the COTA track with supercars, they call me quick because I can get instant power at corner while they wind up for the 1/2 mile straight, and pass me near the end.

I like to accomplish a lot with less, and boy does this car do it.

I get the highest fun per mile on any car I've driven, and I topped out a C5 Vette once.
I find your comments encouraging. I bought mine used, but was happy to get the base model with MSport. OK, I would have liked the better lighting and a few other things, but for the most part, those don't matter as much as just getting something fun to drive. I don't think I've found its limits.

Back to the OP, if it only had 150 HP, it would be a different matter altogether; I don't think I would have gotten the car, as that probably would make it way too pokey. But, that's just because that's what I was looking for -- something with a bit more "umph", but not necessarily the fastest thing out there. (Probably would have gone with a GTI as a runner up, or a Camaro if speed was the most important thing.)

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As for the mpg; I don't know of any car with this kind of power, and still will aver4age about 22 to 23 during life of car.

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Yeah, I keep telling myself this. I'd like to get the EPA-expected 24mpg at least, but currently running about 22. It's a crazy amount of power, though. One can always point to cars with more power, but that's always the case.
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:53 PM
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This car is very dependent on speed for mpg.

Once you get to 70 mph, you need wind behind you, and can get around 33, but wind in front, and you may get 23.

Drive easy, and never over 65, and the mpg average could be in high 20's; or 30mpg.

Pay to play, and cost of depreciation and maintenance makes the gas seem like nothing to me.
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:11 PM
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Agreed. On my xDrive28i, Highway MPG is shade above 30 at 70 (Which is really 67 or so) and below. Start creeping upwards and I have trouble making 28. But overall I'm still averaging about 25.5. I figured the sDrive would be a few MPG above that.


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This car is very dependent on speed for mpg.

Once you get to 70 mph, you need wind behind you, and can get around 33, but wind in front, and you may get 23.

Drive easy, and never over 65, and the mpg average could be in high 20's; or 30mpg.

Pay to play, and cost of depreciation and maintenance makes the gas seem like nothing to me.
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Old 03-19-2017, 01:05 PM
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I caught a fall day with no AC and 20 mph wind behind, and got 42 mpg for 70 miles at 70 mph once.

Yeah, the real average during lifetime will be 22-23 mpg.

That's even good enough for the instant power it has.
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My partner is in Australia getting things set up before I fly over in a few months. He is looking at buying a 2011 X1 for $20,000 AUD (45,000 KM, automatic, 4 cyl, gas, AWD) but I am not quite sold.

My immediate concerns are the power output and the fuel economy. Both seem mindbogglingly low for a vehicle sold in 2011.

My current vehicle is a 2014 F150 that has 360 hp and averages 11L/100. In comparison, the X1 has 230 less horsepower and weighs ~25% less despite getting the same fuel economy (per fuelly.com). I really struggle to wrap my head around how a relatively new vehicle can be so under powered and still get such lousy fuel economy.

What sold you on your X1? Would you buy again? How gutless are they? Aside from transmission and transfer case, what issues should I watch out for?

We don't need anything too powerful (I admit the F150 has too much power) and this is going to be our starter car while we get settled so it doesn't need to be the best car on the block, but it still needs to be decent and the specs are concerning.

DON'T BUY 4 CYL PETROL 2011 X1 model

you will find

1. oil leaks even at early stage (30,000km+) esp. for a 4 CYL Gas engine... 4CYL petrol is an old E90 engine.... not relaibale at all... later on you will find other issues as well
2. water pump (mine failed at 28,000km... water pump in X1 is a global issue and it takes 1 month to wit for parts)

Get a diesel one Xdrive 20D or Xdrive 23d.... 23D is a great car... less problematic.. still have water pump issue tho
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:13 PM
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Would do it again given the chance. xdrive35i all the way. MPG between the 2 was negligible for me, if you want the power from a 4 cyl it's going to cost you the same. If you want a 4 cyl, get true manual - IMO they are rev happy. The ASS got on my nerves in the loaners I've had, so no regrets.
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:12 AM
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I didn't use ASS more than as few times to see what was the deal.

Maybe it's great the starter is heavy duty, and I KEEP ASS TURNED OFF.

I was running low on gas, since last fillup was in Denver, and I drove up to Aspen, and back down to Los Alamos.

BY the time I was in NM, I could see cops swarming the border (must have been looking for IMPORTED WEED), so for 2 reasons, I drove 55mph, and got the 34mpg the car is rated at.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:31 AM
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Would I buy an X1 again? NO.

I was recently contacted by my dealership to discuss about trading in our '14 ZSL for an F48 X1. One of the main reason we got the e84 X1 was because of its traditional BMWness in terms of driving engagement. I just don't get that with current F48 or F30. They are so generic in dynamics that I would've gotten an Audi Q5 or Avant instead. Gas mileage is OK.Getting 10.7l/100km on city driving without ASS and Eco Pro. Power is fine from the turbo N20. General reliability has been good. As a family car, we really enjoy it.

OP should ante up for a turbo version. BMW likes to punish owners who are cheap with 1990s halogens, scratchy leatherette, tupperware cubbies, tinny speakers and 150hp so that the Kia owner can stare at you in pity as he/she cruises by.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:32 AM
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I think BMW had a weak throw the people a bone moment in Mar2013 when I bought the s28i starting at approx $30k.

I picked up on Euro delivery, and I'd do it again under similar conditions.

Of course, stock was n20 with 2.0l turbo of 240hp and 258 ft/# torque in the US.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:37 AM
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Would I buy an X1 again? NO.

I was recently contacted by my dealership to discuss about trading in our '14 ZSL for an F48 X1. One of the main reason we got the e84 X1 was because of its traditional BMWness in terms of driving engagement. I just don't get that with current F48 or F30. They are so generic in dynamics that I would've gotten an Audi Q5 or Avant instead. Gas mileage is OK.Getting 10.7l/100km on city driving without ASS and Eco Pro. Power is fine from the turbo N20. General reliability has been good. As a family car, we really enjoy it.
That's a fair point. I would definitely buy the E84 again, but not the F48.

And I wouldn't get a BMW with less than 200 horses under the hood, because, I mean, come on....
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Overall, yes, I'd definitely buy again. I have a 2014 Sport Line xDrive35i with every option. I only have two complaints: 1) There seems to be an excessive amount of wind noise from the doors. No idea why this would be. 2) Sometimes the runflat tires can feel a little squirrely on rough pavement. I'm sure this isn't an issue in Germany where everything is perfect, but Seattle's roads after the winter we've had are looking decidedly rough.
Other than that, I just love the X1. Great handling, tight package, amazing acceleration, great H/K stereo, etc. And CPO with 11K miles on it, it was only $31K before the trade in. That's pretty amazingly cheap for so much car.

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