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Old 12-24-2012, 12:42 PM
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8AT vs. 6MT?

For people who switched from 6MT to 8AT, do you miss manual at all?

I know it is my call but want to hear more opinions on this topic.

Will be placing a new order this week and still contemplating about transmission.

This will be my last chance to drive 6MT due to some personal reasons.

I heard some people regretting not getting manual. Does anyone regret not getting this supposedly wonderful 8AT?

Nowadays even Porches come with DCT on top end models. Does that mean manual is losing its merit?
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Old 12-24-2012, 12:55 PM
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6MT or 8AT

If you have driven 6 MT, which get increaingly rare, and you are undecided, I suppose the 8MT can be a good choice. But if you have driven the 6MT and enjoyed it, why do anything else? That is my take from a 3 series wagon and two 5 series wagons..........
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Old 12-24-2012, 12:58 PM
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For people who switched from 6MT to 8AT, do you miss manual at all?

I know it is my call but want to hear more opinions on this topic.

Will be placing a new order this week and still contemplating about transmission.

This will be my last chance to drive 6MT due to some personal reasons.

I heard some people regretting not getting manual. Does anyone regret not getting this supposedly wonderful 8AT?

Nowadays even Porches come with DCT on top end models. Does that mean manual is losing its merit?
I won't buy myself a car with a torque converter. It's either a dual clutch or MT car for me. If BMW had a DC trans for the F30 I probably would have opted for it. There are mechanical differences between a DCT and AT. Some people don't care. I dislike torque converts so the choice was simple for me... and no, no merit lost.
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:09 PM
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I used to drive MTs exclusively. It all ended on one weekend.

Years back, my wife and I drove up to the mountains for a weekend ski trip. We left the kids home with my sister. They were really young at the time.

I ended up getting the worst case of the flu you could imagine. 104 degree temperature and was totally knocked on my ass.

My wife had no idea how to drive manual and didn't even want to learn how...

So I had to drive home. That was a huge influence when it came to my next car purchase. I got an automatic, and ever since then, I haven't missed shifting for myself.

Seriously, automatic transmissions aren't that bad, plus, you can get the sport paddle shifters.
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:14 PM
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To a dedicated manual transmission driver, the manual will never lose its merit. The new 8- speed automatic is an evolutionary improvement over previous automatic transmissions, but it is still an automatic.

It is easy to get lost in the terminology. It seems every manufacturer has its own name for an automatic transmission, versus an automated manual transmission. By convention, most automotive experts consider a transmission with a torque converter to be an automatic. OTOH a transmission that has an automated clutch and shifter, but no torque converter, is considered to be an automated manual. Both transmission types have two pedals on the floor.

A conventional manual transmission has three pedals, and some type of a manual shifter lever. Often the shift lever is located on the floor between the front seats. This is the type of transmission preferred by many enthusiasts (including me).

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Old 12-24-2012, 01:27 PM
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I agree with alpinweiss. After interning at BMW Stuttgart when we were in college, my best friend said to me, "Why would anyone buy a BMW without a manual transmission?" I never forgot that . . . .
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:27 PM
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As a DIE hard enthusiast of the traditional manual tranny (3pedals) I would say stick
to it. But the way technology is evolving and the amount of cars filling the roadways,
it is so convenient to just have the car shift for you. Keep a traditional MT car for some
fun, or go find one and drive it once in a while.
Traffic sucks nowadays and holding a clutch down and popping it up and down just to
move 20 feet every eight seconds hurts really bad after a while. My next big vehicle
purchase (BMW) will have the adaptive cruise control for stop and go traffic.
All my vehicles are MT except my X5, and at times I wish I had used it for the day.
I say if you do a lot of traffic commuting get an AT, if not or you're young and healthy
get the 6MT.
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:37 PM
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:57 PM
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For people who switched from 6MT to 8AT, do you miss manual at all?

I know it is my call but want to hear more opinions on this topic.

Will be placing a new order this week and still contemplating about transmission.

This will be my last chance to drive 6MT due to some personal reasons.

I heard some people regretting not getting manual. Does anyone regret not getting this supposedly wonderful 8AT?

Nowadays even Porches come with DCT on top end models. Does that mean manual is losing its merit?
You could go either way. There's more fun in the MT, the sport auto is more efficient and versatile. Since my other car is MT, I don't miss it and the paddles, "tiptronic" and std auto gives me options on how I want to drive. Good luck.
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Old 12-24-2012, 02:03 PM
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These days I am finding that the question isn't so much "Manual vs. Auto" as it is "THIS Manual vs. Auto". What I mean is, the quality of the clutch feel and (to a lesser extent) shift action of a given manual transmission really makes or breaks it for me. I have not driven an F30, but my last two manual transmissions were less than satisfying. They were both V8 cars though (one a BMW and one not) and that may have something to do with it. A manual tranny with a light switch on/off clutch is really no fun to drive (IMO) or one with so little feel you can't detect the sweet spot. Dual Mass flywheels and self-adjusting mechanisms have real benefits, but they seem to often (not always) coincide with a lack of feel. This may seem unimportant to some, but is at the heart of the experience for me.

Motor Trend happens to be doing a long term test on the 328i and they mention that some of the joy of rowing their own gears is missing due to the shifter and throttle response. Just one mag's opinion, but something that raises an eyebrow for me (and something I would pay attention to on a test drive). Ironically, my son is home from college with his 97 M3 and in driving it today I noticed his throttle cable was stiff and it was making it difficult to synchronize the throttle and clutch pedal...time for some lube.

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Old 12-24-2012, 02:43 PM
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As a DIE hard enthusiast of the traditional manual tranny (3pedals) I would say stick
to it. But the way technology is evolving and the amount of cars filling the roadways,
it is so convenient to just have the car shift for you. Keep a traditional MT car for some
fun, or go find one and drive it once in a while.
Traffic sucks nowadays and holding a clutch down and popping it up and down just to
move 20 feet every eight seconds hurts really bad after a while. My next big vehicle
purchase (BMW) will have the adaptive cruise control for stop and go traffic.
All my vehicles are MT except my X5, and at times I wish I had used it for the day.
I say if you do a lot of traffic commuting get an AT, if not or you're young and healthy
get the 6MT.
I AGREE FULLY! I have a 32 mile commute that takes 1:15 minutes plus. When I got married, I tried to teach my Wife manual shifting on my last manual car and she took out my second gear synchro After that, my last few cars have been automatics and I sometimes miss the gear banging. I seriously contemplated the manual for this latest BMW. So during one week of my afternoon drive from work, I put my automatic in Manual mode and during that week I was averaging over 275 shifts on the drive home daily. Although I love the heel/hand interaction with the car, I may regret shifting over 275 times one way in the stop and go traffic after the novelty wears off. So I bought the AWD with automatic and told my better half that I picked the automatic so she can drive too.

That being said, I must say after a couple thousand miles of driving this fabulous car, the 8 speed auto is by far "the best automatic I have ever driven." I have not thought too much about the manual trans since my Wife knows I sacrificed my desires for her. So I told her I am contemplating getting an older two seat roadster with a manual for those weekend drives....I would have to say if you have a longer, congested drive, consider the auto, if your drive is shorter, you must at least drive the manual as the F30 manual I drove was smooth , easy, it was really good, test drive the manual before you decide!
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Old 12-24-2012, 04:45 PM
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For people who switched from 6MT to 8AT, do you miss manual at all?

I know it is my call but want to hear more opinions on this topic.

Will be placing a new order this week and still contemplating about transmission.

This will be my last chance to drive 6MT due to some personal reasons.

I heard some people regretting not getting manual. Does anyone regret not getting this supposedly wonderful 8AT?

Nowadays even Porches come with DCT on top end models. Does that mean manual is losing its merit?
I am a diehard manual transmission fan (I have been driving one as my daily driver for over 35 years) and agree with several of the posters that you need to drive one to determine whether THIS manual transmission is for you.

I did and found he F30 MT to be very enjoyable, so that's what is on my order. I also enjoyed the 8 Speed auto (which I test drove as well), and it certainly is convenient. I was also swayed by my intention to own this automobile for a long time, and the sporty feel and reduced maintenance costs of an MT was a consideration for me.

I don't have a huge amount of stop and go traffic, which might have swayed me to an auto transmission. In the end, for me, the MT was the way to go - convenience was over-ruled by the need to mash gears and chose my own shift points without a lot of tech.

I haven't, of course, a lot of driving experience with this MT. I share my thoughts with the aim of giving food for thought.
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Old 12-24-2012, 04:52 PM
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For me, an AT loses all involvement with DRIVING the car. I get the fact an AT (say in DCT form) might be faster around a track, but FOR ME there is such a loss of intimacy in the dynamics, I might as well be a passenger.
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In the end, for me, the MT was the way to go - convenience was over-ruled by the need to mash gears and chose my own shift points without a lot of tech.
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:25 PM
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For me, an AT loses all involvement with DRIVING the car. I get the fact an AT (say in DCT form) might be faster around a track, but FOR ME there is such a loss of intimacy in the dynamics, I might as well be a passenger.
Watch the motor trend video of the new M5 with manual trans.
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For people who switched from 6MT to 8AT, do you miss manual at all?

I know it is my call but want to hear more opinions on this topic.

Will be placing a new order this week and still contemplating about transmission.

This will be my last chance to drive 6MT due to some personal reasons.

I heard some people regretting not getting manual. Does anyone regret not getting this supposedly wonderful 8AT?

Nowadays even Porches come with DCT on top end models. Does that mean manual is losing its merit?
I don't miss it one bit. Tried it for a few years and sometimes you just don't want to shift. I like the fact that the 8 speed gives me that option of relaxing some days and going crazy when I feel like it. Plus the wife can drive it now.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:27 PM
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I don't miss it one bit. Tried it for a few years and sometimes you just don't want to shift. I like the fact that the 8 speed gives me that option of relaxing some days and going crazy when I feel like it. Plus the wife can drive it now.
The fact that the wife and the teenage son don't drive 6MT was also a benefit for me
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:35 PM
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This 335i Xdrive is my first auto. I didn't want to wait for a manual and the auto seemed really fun during the test drive so I went for it.

After a couple of months I do have some regret. And it's all emotional. This 8 speed is sweet. It gets great mileage (and no thought) in stop & go. In Sport mode it's programmed to shift like you're really planning to take a hot lap. In manual it matches revs better than I could ever heel & toe. So why the regret? I miss the tactile feel of the shifter grabbing the next gear. I miss executing the perfect shift. The 8 speed does all this flawlessly. I feel like I'm cheating.

BTW, I'm spending a few weeks in total snow (Mazama, WA). "Traction" mode rules! This car is so much fun to drift. I only wish that I could figure out how to pop the back end around with the handbrake. There must be some button to push...
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:08 AM
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My first test drive was a 6mt and I loved it but wasn't sure f I wanted to shift full time so before I placed my order I went back to the dealer to drive both. Drove the 6mt and immediately decided I could definately do this full time but then I drove the 8at and thought wow, I love the way the gear ratios are so close allowing the car to rev quickly and shift quickly. Ended up buying the x drive automatic but last night I told my wife if I had to do it again I would get the RWD 6mt because I think the car would be a lot more fun that way. The moral of my story is that it's not possible to make the right decision so the only advice I can offer is to buy one of each! I know it would be a lot of money but its the only solution. In my case I happen to have a 6mt Corvette so I still have the ability to go out and do the smokey burn out power shifting thing when I get the itch. Mark
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Obviously I don't have the 8 speed but having owned manuals I do like the control. I decided last week to drive in manual mode for a week and other than not having a clutch to push or moving the shifter in an h pattern I felt I still had all the control I needed for shifting points. Using the shift lever verses paddle shifters makes a big difference in replicating the feel. It may be possible for those on the fence because they have concerns with other family members trying to drive a stick to live with this sudo compromise. I get that it's not perfect, but you have to admit it's pretty close.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:55 AM
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Like many, I went with the new 8AT. It's great......but it's not the same, either. I miss the MT. The AT is silky smooth and convenient, but for enjoyment and involvement, I'd go MT.
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The 8 speed honestly feels like a twin clutch. It's stupid smooth when you're driving normally. It hunts just a little bit when going hard but, honestly, I can't let that take away from how awesome the 8 speed is. They have refined the 6 speed also though. The clutch is...perfect and the shift feel is....perfect. I was not a fan of the notchy shifts of the previous gen cars. The M cars were no exception.
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:06 AM
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