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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 01-04-2013, 06:23 AM
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I'm only repeating what somebody said earlier in the thread. It was the only specified problem in the thread to that point.

When you say "catastrophic failures resulting from the higher friction of a new drivetrain", do you mean immediately, or in the long run? "Catastrophic" implies sudden and immediate to me.
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Went to the dealer today to take care of a paper work issue and my CA asked how I liked the car so far and I said I can't wait until I get past the break in period. He said "there is no break in period on that car, that's only for M series cars". He checked with another CA and they both confirmed that it wasn't necessary and referred to their BMW training as their source of information. I told them that I read about the 1200 miles in the owners manual and they said that the owners manual isn't model specific so it's in there for the M cars and doesn't really apply to my M Sport. Not sure why there's a difference of opinion on this and don't see any reason why they would steer me in the wrong direction. I purchased the car (not a lease) and don't know if I'll keep it beyond the warranty period so I plan to kind of stick to the break in procedure to play it safe. They told me to feel free to redline it......tempting but I think I'll wait. It would be interesting to know if anybody else received similar advice from the dealer. Mark
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Went to the dealer today to take care of a paper work issue and my CA asked how I liked the car so far and I said I can't wait until I get past the break in period. He said "there is no break in period on that car, that's only for M series cars". He checked with another CA and they both confirmed that it wasn't necessary and referred to their BMW training as their source of information. I told them that I read about the 1200 miles in the owners manual and they said that the owners manual isn't model specific so it's in there for the M cars and doesn't really apply to my M Sport. Not sure why there's a difference of opinion on this and don't see any reason why they would steer me in the wrong direction. I purchased the car (not a lease) and don't know if I'll keep it beyond the warranty period so I plan to kind of stick to the break in procedure to play it safe. They told me to feel free to redline it......tempting but I think I'll wait. It would be interesting to know if anybody else received similar advice from the dealer. Mark
The M cars have a different manual first off. Secondly there is no M version of the F30 yet. They're full of ****e.
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The M cars have a different manual first off. Secondly there is no M version of the F30 yet. They're full of ****e.
Perhaps they couldn't be bothered to rewrite that part of the manual. Crazier things have happened.

Perhaps they were referring generally to M cars... the future F30 M could very well follow the same logic.

I'm not saying they are right, I'm just saying you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss. There are some very highly trained, extremely competent, good people working on your car... who know more about your car than you could ever dream... they could very well know things that fly in the face of the knuckle-dragging, error-ridden basics of a car manual.

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Tell your CA to read page 156 from the 328i/335i owner's manual. Specifically the section titled "Breaking-in period".
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What do you all think about this advice: http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

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Too long, didn't read...

I'm now on my Eighth chassis code and all I can say is "break in period" only matters if you are following the current factory maintenance periods. If you do old school 3000 mile oil changes you can drive it hard as hell after 50 miles (that's what I "break in" a fully disassembled and rebuilt engine at).

...but honestly I own old school Bimmers and I rarely change my oil after that period despite running fully synthetic modern oils
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:34 PM
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While we're on the subject of spewing Internet 'facts', there's no need to change the oil every x,000 of miles, just add oil as the engine consumes it. In some cases oil will last as long as the engine.
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:13 PM
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good luck with that logic... go read up on your "real" oil information, all of it will eventually break down by a certain mileage (more like 10,000 in modern synthetic oil vs 3,000 in dinosaur oil). I've owned enough cars where I've dealt with every oil issue imaginable in the last 17 years
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For those of you that plan to keep your F30 for a while, I would do an oil change at around 7K at least for the first time. The cost is totally justified, especially if you have the N55 engine. As for break in for the first 500 miles I kept it below 4k rpms, (for the most part..hehehe) then go thru the gears up to 6k after that. now I have 3,200 miles on it every few day I take it to my favorite stretch of road and run it up to 3rd gear close to the redline.
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good luck with that logic... go read up on your "real" oil information, all of it will eventually break down by a certain mileage (more like 10,000 in modern synthetic oil vs 3,000 in dinosaur oil). I've owned enough cars where I've dealt with every oil issue imaginable in the last 17 years
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Perhaps they couldn't be bothered to rewrite that part of the manual. Crazier things have happened.

Perhaps they were referring generally to M cars... the future F30 M could very well follow the same logic.

I'm not saying they are right, I'm just saying you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss. There are some very highly trained, extremely competent, good people working on your car... who know more about your car than you could ever dream... they could very well know things that fly in the face of the knuckle-dragging, error-ridden basics of a car manual.
So you think that BMW had the break in period part of the manual for the non-M 3-series wrong for the last 50 years I really find that hard to believe. Also, why would they refer generally to a M car in a non-M car manual? If you think the BMW CA is high trained, then you must have a very low standard And the CA do not work on your car, the mechanics do and even the mechanics do not know as much as the design engineers who made the break in recommandation in the owners manual. While we are at it, almost every modern day car manufacturers recommand some sort of break in period, do you really think they are all wrong?
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:58 PM
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Break in period is not half as important as it use to be. Although manufacturers still recommand it, modern day mechining technonolgy and tight tolarance have made the break in period not as essential as it use to be in the old days. After the first few hundred miles, its not going to hurt the engine if he rev 5500 once a while.
As a new guy I am putting my two cents in. I picked up my F30 328i in November, put 1130 kms on it (about 700 miles) and let a friend drive it. Before I knew it, he had it at 220 kph, over the recommended limit, but for a short burst only (about 10 seconds). Regarding break-in, I go by the book, but think that BMW's recommended 2000 kms is excessive, above most other manufacturers. I hope that 10 seconds of pure excitement won't cost me later. The car is a beast in sport and seemed to drive better after the workout.
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And the CA do not work on your car, the mechanics do and even the mechanics do not know as much as the design engineers who made the break in recommandation in the owners manual.
I wouldn't necessarily conclude it's the design engineers who came up with the recommendation. In fact, it is more likely it was the lawyers who put that in to reduce the risk of liability. Personally, I do follow the break-in period recommendations in the manual. But I do it more because if a little self-control now has the potential to avoid troubles later, then in my mind the calculation is easy enough. Having said that, there are enough stories about cars being tracked pretty much straight from the factory. I can't even recall the numbers of times I have read reviews in car magazines where the article states that car barely had 50 clicks on it. Now, of course I haven't followed any of these cars around to know how they turned out, but presumably, manufacturers wouldn't allow such things to continue if these cars were later failing in numbers that were statistically significant in comparison to the rest of the population.
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Yes, I was careful during breaking period. I'd like to keep this car awhile.
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I'll be leasing. No plans on being too careful. I'll drive it like I would on a daily basis. Perhaps won't run it to redline until the break in is done, but I'm not going to nanny the rpm gauge.
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Good idea to go easy on the tires too for the first couple hundred miles or so. Going easy on the engine and brakes will definitely help the tires as well but also need to watch out for excess lateral loads by not carrying too much speed into corners.
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Regarding break-in-period, I have noticed that BMW F30 manual puts warning labels (! in a triangle) for items e.g. securing cargo, minimum fuel grade, maximum speed, driving with trunk lid closed, etc., but no warning signals in the section on break-in-period. I conclude that BMW is pretty casual about that issue. I went by the book though on the basis that it is better to be safe than sorry. I am currently breaking in a new Porsche 911 and following the same rule.
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When I bought my previous BMW the salesman told me to check the oil regularly because Bimmers are oil-burners. I got the car new, broke it in by the book, and did not have to add oil between oil changes until about 90,000 miles. I traded the car in for another new one at 149,000 miles. Thus, at least one BMW that was broken in carefully was not an oil-burner.

I have been told that manufacturers now run in engines on the bench for the equivalent of about 300 miles before delivering the car to us, so that those of you who don't observe the break in don't suffer engine failure during the warranty period. After the warranty expires, you are on your own. Modern engine metallurgy and modern lubricants have extended the life of engines unbelievably compared with 60 or 70 years ago, when even the best engines needed to be rebuilt after 60,000 miles. Not breaking-in the engine properly increases the wear on bearings, rings, and cylinder walls, which first leads to oil burning, and if the owner really ignores it, to a thrown rod that destroys the engine. Still, the life of modern engines is so long that those of you who don't observe the break-in can escape the consequences by trading in about the time that the engine warranty expires. Those of us who took greater care have the option of keeping the car longer.

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I say the same thing every time this topic comes up. For anybody losing sleep about running the car too hard while new, you should go to Munich and take a factory tour. Before installing the engine, the run it on bench and redline it while it's brand new and cold. Then before the car gets set to ship they run the whole car on a dyno well in excess of what the manual says
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I say the same thing every time this topic comes up. For anybody losing sleep about running the car too hard while new, you should go to Munich and take a factory tour. Before installing the engine, the run it on bench and redline it while it's brand new and cold. Then before the car gets set to ship they run the whole car on a dyno well in excess of what the manual says
Just because they run the engine through a stress test before the customer gets the car, doesn't mean it is healthy for the engine to be driven in those same conditions for longer periods of time early on.

I am not saying that that is what you are suggesting, but I think it should be stated regardless.
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