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Old 12-25-2012, 07:12 PM
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2013 Honda Accord

Ok guys, who has been looking at the new 2013 Accord. Nice to see it's getting smaller and lighter. Tired of these cars always being bigger and heavier than than predessor. I'm waiting for the Honda Fit to weigh more than a F150 in a few years. Anyway... From what I've seen and read looks like it's finally, overdue, Honda has a decent Accord again. I traded my 2007 Accord EX-L 4cyl 5spd manual in on my 6spd manual E90 335i back in 2011? Loved the car but had some real issues that drove me nuts; 1- road noise 2-brakes were weak 3- engine was very under powered. But I miss that Honda steering and crispness sometimes. Not to mention the cheapness of owning one. I remember when I got my 335i I thought it was junk. Noise on shutdown, heavy this, heavy pedals lol... uh I love german cars now but have some nights that I am kept up with the laundry list of maintenance and "fixes" and the cost that comes with two german girls (E90 for weekend E39 DD). And I remember when I only owned my Accord I had time and money to burn like I thought I was rich. I had a life, went the gym, bought apple products etc LOL. But the only mainstream car that ever gets my attention is the Accord. Not sure why... I hate to even look at my neighbors camry or my moms alitma. Compact cars like the civic and Corolla give me a headache and make my old E39 look like a dream even with maintenace. Love my 335i love my daily driver 530i. But this new Accord has me smittin for a daily driver. Especially the sport 6spd manual 4cyl sedan.


Let's see what you guys think. Anyone test drive these new 13's yet?


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Old 12-25-2012, 07:27 PM
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Nope, haven't looked at the new generation yet. But the 2003 5MT 4 banger of mine that I gave to my daughter is still running well at 160K miles. It is, indeed, a good appliance of a car, and drives better than the competition.

But it is a class removed from a BMW.
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:30 PM
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^ Agreed. But my 530i is my daily driver. 335i for weekend use; see signature it's quite fun. I love my 530i but damn it's a lot of up keep and burns expensive fuel! Another good DD option for me... Acura TSX. Would yield more free time = more time for the 335i Scratch the Acuras. Yes they make more power than Hondas but they burn premium. I'm either going to swap out to a Accord of some sort or finish fixing up my 530i and stick through it. And yes, enjoy my 530i while i'm with it. to be honest it's one of my favorite cars I've ever owened. I love the size, low belt line, comfort/sport mixture.... I swear it's the German Accord. I like my old E39 more than my wife's like new 36k mile C300! Just wish we didn't have a lundry list of "issues"... Wander/float, cooling systems, oil leaks, seat twist, headlight adjusters, Oh where do I stop LOL. No way would I put up with so much BS if the E39 wasn't as rewarding of a driving machine as it is. Back on track... 2013 Accord! Anyone test drive or know something cool about them?
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:16 AM
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I'm a huge Honda hater because they clearly have no idea what they're doing and Acura is a complete mess right now, but one car they have gotten right is the new Accord.

It looks fantastic in sports trim and you can't argue with Honda's value. Reliability, quality, resale. All top notch. Plus if you get a loaded Touring model, you get LED headlights, where are damn cool. If this was 6 months ago, I would have been all over the Kia Optima or Passat TDI, but now? Honda Accord all the way.

I've driven it and it deserves every once of praise it has gotten. That being said, this whole "normal" mid-size segment doesn't have ONE bad car. They are all top notch. Altima, Optima, Camry, Legacy, Accord.

Let's not forget the new Ford Fusion (which looks fantastic) or the upcoming Mazda6 (which will be sold in diesel form next year!). All awesome

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Old 12-26-2012, 11:30 AM
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^ so it drives good. nice to know. Yes the "family" car segment is cut throat. Back in the 90's this stuff we're talking about today was not even a dream. This segment has made huge gains vs the overall market.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:33 AM
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^ so it drives good. nice to know. Yes the "family" car segment is cut throat. Back in the 90's this stuff we're talking about today was not even a dream. This segment has made huge gains vs the overall market.
Yes it does drive really well. I've driven all of them, except the new 2014 Mazda6. They're on lots, but people can't touch them until 1/3/13.
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Somehow Honda has managed to fit both a coolant temp guage and a compact spare tire!



Dunno about the oil level dipstick...
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:40 PM
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Honda should make a RWD V6 "sport edition" Accord in Stick or Auto. You want to see popular... ^ That's funny. my E90 has no dip stick. Drives me NUTS.
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... ^ That's funny. my E90 has no dip stick. Drives me NUTS.
No dude!! There IS a DIPSTICK in you E90...

He is the one who's driving the car...
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:38 AM
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^ Well that's a different dip stick. It's missing a oil dip stick.
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:27 AM
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I told myself not to get another Honda after having a 92 Honda Civic as my first car, bought it used in 1998.

Don't get me wrong, it never ran into any problem, in fact it stood well after direct impact with a deer while I was travelling 60mph on interstate! Thank goodness I'm still alive and the deer just "flew" to the side after the impact instead of heading towards the windshield! I managed to drive another 60 miles and arrived home safely that night and the car didn't leak any fluid.

What I don't like about Honda is that cabin isn't quite insulated from the engine noise... whether it's Civic, Accord, and even the Pilot.

But then I'm driving a 09 Honda Fit today... which has very pronounced road and engine noise... but that car is so low maintenance and so much fun to drive despite the little engine.

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I drove both accord cvt and the v6 auto. I hated the cvt but the v6 is nice. One big thing I like about the 2013 is that they clean up the interior with less buttons than the last generation
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Seems like a lot of people do NOT like the CVT. I've never driven a CVT car before. My mom has a '10 4cyl Auto CVT Altima. I've only backed it out of the driveway. I need to drive that car.
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:28 PM
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Seems like a lot of people do NOT like the CVT. I've never driven a CVT car before. My mom has a '10 4cyl Auto CVT Altima. I've only backed it out of the driveway. I need to drive that car.
I've been driving the 04 Nissan Murano which has CVT. It's fine to be in vehicles that have attributes like "fuel economy" and "comfort", but car enthusiasts would rather have 20 gears (alright, that's exaggeration) in their M3s than a CVT.
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I would think a CVT would be better for performance. No shift points, can variably tune the RPM vs Load.... I guess maybe they have not come up with a "performance CVT Tune".
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If they go back to the size of the 93-97 model years I might be tempted. After that they got too big.

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Honda will never have the premium brand appeal, and Accords are in my book cars that you respect more than you love. Nonetheless, it seems to be a real achiever.

What impresses me are the current lease rates at Honda Canada. For the 2013 EX-L automatic, they are within a few bucks the same I had signed for my last one... in November 1998, a 1999 EX-L auto! MSRP increased very little over 14 years (from 27500$ to 29090$) and lower interest rates take care of the rest. They still have that great residual of 52% after 60000 miles / 48 months - I would be surprised if any other competitor matches this.
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^ exactly. I just read something this week about Honda being the #1 residual value brand of all cars makers in America. 52%. Average for all makes was 46%. We just picked up a 2013 CRV EX-L today. Traded in the misses '08 C300. Have to admit, Honda did a heck of a job on this redesign. Steering is actualy better than on the C300 IMO. YMMV. Trans shifting is good. Not like some econo cars where it's always bogging down and you have to floor it to kick it down a gear just to keep up. Seats are nice. Road noise is I'd say equal to the C300. Interior room is HUGE, guessing that's b/c we just came from a C300. Folding seats with one lever is a plus. If I was on the design team my improving points would be 1- Add a 6th gear like the Acura RDX now has. and 2- Let's do Direct Injection for more power and economy. that's basically it. CRV fits the bill nicely as is though or I would not have bought one. Love the leather seats
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^ exactly. I just read something this week about Honda being the #1 residual value brand of all cars makers in America. 52%.
It's not just Honda. Toyota has arguably better quality than Honda and they are doing just as well when it comes to residuals.
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Not here. Toyota offers 44% on a Camry XLE after 96000km / 48 months vs 52% for the Accord.
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I would think a CVT would be better for performance. No shift points, can variably tune the RPM vs Load.... I guess maybe they have not come up with a "performance CVT Tune".
The problem is perceived performance. An engine that sits at one rpm seems slow than one that changes gears. There is one manufacturer with a CVT (don't remember which), where the programing simulates gears by fluctuating the rpm during acceleration (I'm not talking about have "gears" that can be shifted manually for engine braking or whatever, as most CVTs do that.)
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^ Toyota used to be my favorite brand. I had a few MK2 Supras, Turbo '91 Supra. '94 4runner I turned into a rock crawler with a straight axle... then we got my wife a 2001 4runner limited 2wd V6. Downhill from there. I had a new special ordered 2009 TRD Crew cab 4x4 Tacoma. What a joke. C channel frame that had so much twist in it off-road the bed would hit the cab. the doors wouldn't open when articulated. Interior was cheap as Fug. and the seating arrangement and brakes in the Tacoma were terrible. Toyotas hay day sailed. the only thing that has me even reading about toyota is the new RWD Stick shift FRS. Maybe they can turn that microwave company around. B/c the only thing they are selling are crack box corollas. those things are everywhere.

I like the new Accord. Looked at one while buying the CRV. But I have 1 complaint. It's a about 10% too big. Needs scaled down. Or at least match the current year 5 series dimensions. I'll stick to stick shift BMW's for me and Hondas for the wife. Good mix of practical and fun. She can take the new CRV to the dealer for a oil change for like $28. Where as if she took the Benz it was $100+ + +. Rags, tax, fees. $125 OTD. BMW wants lke $160 for a oil change. So I can save real money doing it myself. and enjoy it and know it's done right. Where as on her car... what I am I saving? $5 and have to drive to the parts store to dump the oil. Doesn't make sense.
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:59 AM
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Not here. Toyota offers 44% on a Camry XLE after 96000km / 48 months vs 52% for the Accord.
Manufacturer inflated residuals mean jack **** in the real world. Plus no one leases a Camry or an Accord. You'd have to be an idiot to do that.

Try getting a dealer to offer you to lease buyout price on BMW. Not happening. Toyota is being much more realistic in their lease residuals.
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I like it! Honda nailed the styling on the new Accord!
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