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What can I tell you, its just some of us are very comfortable with ourselves & have nothing to prove.



Try sitting in something like that for hours and having a guy fly down the side, or try to pass you on, an on ramp so he can move up two spots. You may not care for awhile but eventually day, after day, after day, you'll have enough (or I'll just be happy you like it so much and allow me or someone else to do it to you ) .

I doubt very much if you don't venture out of NC you see much top 5 worst traffic in the country.

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Spent over 25 years commuting from the Jersey Shore to Wall St (Fri/Mon in the summer were very interesting) in a big block 67 Corvette coupe that was a constant winner at Etown & have a fair idea what heavy traffic looks like. If you let the small s**t wind you up you are not going to have a happy life.

BTW don't confuse my lack of getting all whacked out over someone running the shoulder with a lack of competitiveness. You don't survive 25 years on the street being docile.
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BTW don't confuse my lack of getting all whacked out over someone running the shoulder with a lack of competitiveness. You don't survive 25 years on the street being docile.
I didn't you implied it
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The very thought is absurd. In truth, they are the same engine. One has valvetronic [328i] and the other turbos [335i].

Apples and oranges are, in the final analysis, both fruit.

Some say one if faster than the other, but that is often misinterpretation, depending on the driver and road conditions. Naked truth: Both vehicles sport exactly the same suspension and performance thereof.

One pays more for turbos. Do not be intimidated! Unless you wish to modify, you may not notice a difference. However, engine modification, on a 335i, will result in a much faster car at the cost of its warranty, invalidated.

We are interested in your decision - please post! And keep in mind that statistically, 328i is a more reliable machine.
Ever climb out of a 328 loaner and back into a 335? No difference??Little difference?? I think major difference without any question but then again if driven like the little old lady from Pasadena..Maybe not.O.P. coming out of a Camry will feel as if the 328 is some sort of rocket.Did anyone mention the handling??Connection??
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Spent over 25 years commuting from the Jersey Shore to Wall St (Fri/Mon in the summer were very interesting) in a big block 67 Corvette coupe that was a constant winner at Etown & have a fair idea what heavy traffic looks like. If you let the small s**t wind you up you are not going to have a happy life.

BTW don't confuse my lack of getting all whacked out over someone running the shoulder with a lack of competitiveness. You don't survive 25 years on the street being docile.

'67?

Lust.

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Ever climb out of a 328 loaner and back into a 335? No difference??Little difference?? I think major difference without any question but then again if driven like the little old lady from Pasadena..Maybe not.O.P. coming out of a Camry will feel as if the 328 is some sort of rocket.Did anyone mention the handling??Connection??
This.

The 02 camry was 162 torque and 157hp... Going 200 and 230 isn't that big of an improvement (going off pure numbers. And while he'll probably feel the quality boost and refinement it won't be like going for an ML320 to a Cayenne Turbo S).


73 and 38 to be exact. Thats less of an upgrade than doing stage 1 to a 335 (it adds 73 and 60)

[none of this accounts for loss this is strictly based on MF numbers]

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Yeah Over the years it had just about every displacement that Chevy made from 350ci up to a ZZ502 crate motor.

My favorite was a 406 Mighty Mouse that I built in the mid '70. It was pretty unique back then, almost never saw another & could pass it off as a 327, now GM is selling crate motor versions. Who wooda thunk?

Back when I was active I did all my own engine/trans building except for some machining operations. Also built cars from the frame up....was really into them at the time.

Mean while back to the OP's question - The 328 is about 2 seconds quicker 0-60 & 1/4 mile then a 4cyl Camry. That is something you will feel in the seat of your pants. You will definitely know you are in a quicker car. As for handling & braking no comparison can be made.
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328i has a regular fuel pump while the 335i has a high pressure fuel pump (hpfp). For the most part there has been some issues with the hpfp but no clear indicators why these problems accrue. In either case run good gas and never put the pedal to the medal with less than a 1/2 trank
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I think the "its to much car as compared to what you are used to" is just silly. ... Working up a new car is part of the fun of ownership especially the big smile you get after learning something new about the car.

Part of the enjoyment of a car is not worrying about the monthly bill so go with what you can afford & enjoy the ride.
That's not what I said. My point is that the 328 will be a very satisfying step up from a decade-old Camry. OP implied a 335 would be a financial stretch; I'm just saying the 328 will deliver plenty of excitement & satisfaction without fretting over the price tag.

In other words, we agree on your conclusion.
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I'm not talking about someone looking to race (honestly who'd be silly enough to want to race with a 328 ) I'm talking about the jerks that cut in over solid lines, or get in the merge line and step on it.
Adults don't mess about in these situations and unless you are talking about getting cut off by a Porsche, 335 or other more capable cars, you can beat most anyway.

I've been in a 328 for 5 years now and have never raced or been in a situation where I didn't have enough power. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a 335 but for nearly every scenario that is reasonable, the 328 is at minimum sufficient and at most plenty fast.
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That's not what I said. My point is that the 328 will be a very satisfying step up from a decade-old Camry. OP implied a 335 would be a financial stretch; I'm just saying the 328 will deliver plenty of excitement & satisfaction without fretting over the price tag.

In other words, we agree on your conclusion.
Sorry My Bad. I must have misread your intent.
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Spent over 25 years commuting from the Jersey Shore to Wall St (Fri/Mon in the summer were very interesting) in a big block 67 Corvette coupe that was a constant winner at Etown & have a fair idea what heavy traffic looks like. If you let the small s**t wind you up you are not going to have a happy life.

BTW don't confuse my lack of getting all whacked out over someone running the shoulder with a lack of competitiveness. You don't survive 25 years on the street being docile.
That is an absolutely beautiful Vette; my favorite of all time. As a child I built a model of a car like yours.

To the OP; I would recommend getting the 328, and then down the road you can move up to the 35. Make sure you get the sport package and nav.
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Adults don't mess about in these situations and unless you are talking about getting cut off by a Porsche, 335 or other more capable cars, you can beat most anyway.

I've been in a 328 for 5 years now and have never raced or been in a situation where I didn't have enough power. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a 335 but for nearly every scenario that is reasonable, the 328 is at minimum sufficient and at most plenty fast.
Well you my friend are lucky... I can't make it 3 days. We have a straight away light thats about .5 miles long and a RX350 cut across 3 lanes of traffic to get into the empty merge line and try and pass me today which makes me grin every time. I embarrassed him 3 lights in a row

OP needs to drive both then weigh how much he can stomach when the 335i eventually throws a problem and if the amount of power+upgrade capabilities are worth that trouble. If you've got no stomach for it and are impressed by the 328i more power to you, and you've saved more money than those that require more power to feel satisfied. If we're both going to Starbucks and you spent 40k and me 50k who really won
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That's not what I said. My point is that the 328 will be a very satisfying step up from a decade-old Camry. OP implied a 335 would be a financial stretch; I'm just saying the 328 will deliver plenty of excitement & satisfaction without fretting over the price tag.

In other words, we agree on your conclusion.
I'm embarrassed to admit it, but my wife went from a 13 year old Camry (actually a Camry Solara to be exact) to not only a 335i, but a 335is. At the time she liked the way the Camry looked and for some reason she felt she had to have a full-size car. I hated it within three weeks of buying it. Toyota was trying to make a "sporty" Camry coupe but failed miserably. At least it was a manual.

This time around she originally wanted a 328i Sedan, but it didn't take much to talk her into a 335i and then to a Coupe, and finally a 335is Coupe. While the 328i Sedan may have been a very satisfying step up from the Solara, the 335is Coupe is a quantum leap from the Solara. She absolutely loves it and drives it like it was meant to be driven, including autocrosses and track days, something that would have been unthinkable with the Solara.

In comparison to the Camry, the OP would absolutely love a 335i but if it's a financial stretch, then the 328i will suffice and still be a huge step up from the Camry.
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Thanks a lot for all your replies. They definitely helped me gain some insight. Now I have a bit of a dilemma. I have found an 08 335xi which has a negligible price difference from the 09 328xi ($300 less). The 08 335xi has approx. 35,000 miles more than the 09 328xi (but still relatively good at 60,000 miles) and I believe the warranty on the 08 has expired while the 09 still has approx. 10 months of warranty left.

The 335xi has the sports package, premium package, heated seats with memory, and xenon headlights. The 328xi has the navigation package, premium package, cold weather package, Logic 7, HD Radio, Sirius Satellite, iPod Connector, heated stearing wheel, Dakota Leather Upholstery, and Xenon headlights. So the 328xi is more packed and I really do like the benefit of all the electronics included with the 328 mentioned above.

But the 328xi has 300hp that's upgradeable and the sports package which is very attractive. I'm generally not a racer but I would definitely not mind being able to feel the power when I'm on a highway or just on occasion.

However maintenance costs of the 335 compared to the 328 sound unappealing. Based on this information, what, in your opinion, is the better option for me?

PS: As for the test drive - the only car nearby to where I live (300km) is the 328xi which I will be test driving on the weekend so I don't know if and when I will get the chance to test drive the 335. Also, as much as I wish to do a physical inspection and test drive of these cars, it's not possible as they are located in the United States which is quite the trip for me.

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I've driven standard-issue non-sport 328i AT service loaners and I didn't care for them. I've also had 335i AT and 535i AT loaners and didn't care for them, either. (My dealer usually "upgrades" me when they can't get the part or otherwise mess up.) They were definitely faster than the 328i. But with ATs were less responsive than my 6-speed.

My 328i "fits" me. And I'm in this for at least another 2 years -- which is the duration of the extended warranty.

I wouldn't "stretch" for a 335i particularly since BMWs in general are fairly maintenance intensive. Might even suggest an un-stretch and not even buy a 328i if finances are any sort of consideration. The E46 still has a lot going for it, and is also much less expensive.

Compared to Toyotas, Eurocars are in another universe when it comes to maintenance and repairs. My $0.02.
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PS: As for the test drive - the only car nearby to where I live (300km) is the 328xi which I will be test driving on the weekend so I don't know if and when I will get the chance to test drive the 335. Also, as much as I wish to do a physical inspection and test drive of these cars, it's not possible as they are located in the United States which is quite the trip for me.
Thanks for that critical bit of information.

Do not buy a used BMW you cannot test-drive, inspect and/or have inspected by an independent mechanic you can trust (i.e., not affiliated with the seller). The last thing you want is to taint the joy of buying a new-to-you car with an eye-watering bill to repair some problem that could have been easily detected before purchase. This is not to say that most used BMWs need expensive repairs right away; however with a little care it is easy to avoid those that do.
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I know it's not a very good idea to buy a car I can't test drive/inspect but I am very very limited in choice if I strictly choose a BMW in my area and the costs are substantially higher (ie. $40,000 for an 09 328i sedan with 40,000 miles on it from a dealer. Everything will typically be like this near me). I would try to find a mechanic in the area that the BMW is being sold in and ask the dealer to take it in for an inspection after speaking with the mechanic. The seller also has a really good ebay rating which I realize isn't necessarily an indicator that the car will be trouble-free. I know it's a a potentially bad decision but I have very little options.

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I'm looking at getting a 09 328xi coupe and I just wanted to know if there is a big difference (other than 0-60mph) in overall driving experience between the 328 and the 335. Right now I have an 02 Camry which has around 157 hp so I think anything will be fast in comparison. I can afford the 328 but the 335 I'd be a bit tight on money. So I'd just like to hear your thoughts.
Opening up a whole 'nother bag of worms, I still maintain after having driven both, that an AT 328xi is a very different animal than a 328i MT. If I owned an AT 328 it would spend its entire life in DS mode. In full auto mode, if one is accustomed to an MT, the AT is frightfully sluggish. This is not just my tainted perspective, but a fairly objective viewpoint coming from my non-enthusiast husband. Please bear in mind, I love my MT 328i. Not one to street race, it is more than adequate at getting itself up and going and 65-90 mph can happen so effortlessly it's sometimes a little scary. That being said, at the low end, if a Honda Odyssey is gunning for you, and you aren't poised to play, they will probably win. Manipulating the power band in the MT seems, at least to me, much easier. In my experience, even in DS mode, the 328 AT had to hunt and often chose economy over power.

Bottom line, if I were limited to an AT, I would probably opt for the 335 over the 328. If I had the MT as a variable the choice becomes a little fuzzier. As an everyday driver with plenty of power the MT 328i is very acceptable.
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Opening up a whole 'nother bag of worms, I still maintain after having driven both, that an AT 328xi is a very different animal than a 328i MT. If I owned an AT 328 it would spend its entire life in DS mode. In full auto mode, if one is accustomed to an MT, the AT is frightfully sluggish. This is not just my tainted perspective, but a fairly objective viewpoint coming from my non-enthusiast husband. Please bear in mind, I love my MT 328i. Not one to street race, it is more than adequate at getting itself up and going and 65-90 mph can happen so effortlessly it's sometimes a little scary. That being said, at the low end, if a Honda Odyssey is gunning for you, and you aren't poised to play, they will probably win. Manipulating the power band in the MT seems, at least to me, much easier. In my experience, even in DS mode, the 328 AT had to hunt and often chose economy over power.

Bottom line, if I were limited to an AT, I would probably opt for the 335 over the 328. If I had the MT as a variable the choice becomes a little fuzzier. As an everyday driver with plenty of power the MT 328i is very acceptable.
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I know it's a a potentially bad decision but I have very little options.
You have several options. I came across a car which seemed pristine even after I went through a 3 page visual checklist when I first saw the car. The dealer uncovered some issues and me paying $240 at the dealer saved me nearly $800 overall.

Ebay offers inspection through a partner:
http://pages.motors.ebay.com/buy/inspection/

http://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/in...re-buying.html
http://www.aimmobileinspections.com/

Even AAA has a list of shops which will do an inspection for $90
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Thanks for that. I would definitely be willing to spend 100 some bucks on an authorized inspection.
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Ever climb out of a 328 loaner and back into a 335? No difference??Little difference?? I think major difference without any question but then again if driven like the little old lady from Pasadena..Maybe not.O.P. coming out of a Camry will feel as if the 328 is some sort of rocket.Did anyone mention the handling??Connection??

The big difference: One sports 3 liters emblazened '328i' -- the other same, '335i.'

Handling? The great leveler. It is my duty to report that one goes no better around a corner, or over a bump, than the other.

I believe that the 'difference' in engine performance is due to cognitive dissonance. It's the same old story.....if ya pay more t'suffer with turbos, it's just gotta be better.

Now it is out in the open and 328i owners should say what they knew all along - they drive the better car!


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Old 12-27-2012, 11:27 PM
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But the 328xi has 300hp that's upgradeable and the sports package which is very attractive. I'm generally not a racer but I would definitely not mind being able to feel the power when I'm on a highway or just on occasion.
I'm not sure where you got this information but a 328xi does not have 300 HP, it has the 230 HP normally aspirated N52 engine. I'm not sure what you mean by "upgradeable", but you'd be hard pressed to get any more horsepower out of this engine.

In contrast, the 335xi has the 300 HP twin-turbo N54 engine, which is highly tunable and capable of producing much more horsepower with readily available "tunes" or ECU software modifications.

If you want to "feel the power", then you're talking a 335xi, not a 328xi.

And to echo the excellent advice already given above, you should not consider buying a used BMW, or any used car, without first seeing it, driving it, and having it inspected by an independent mechanic who can perform a Pre-Purchase Inspection, or PPI.

My impression is that you're not very knowledgeable about BMWs and that you need to do a lot more homework before you're ready to purchase one, at least if you want to be an informed consumer.
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