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Old 01-09-2013, 12:28 PM
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It's impossible to reprogram a KOMBI which was used on other cars without cracking works. This is because the EEPROM stores VIN of the car. If the VIN does not match the information stored in CAS, you will see a white dot on the meter. Also, the device would not be working properly.

I've found the way to reprogram a used KOMBI. See
http://www.bmwcoding.com/showthread....M35080-E8x-E9x
http://www.bmwcoding.com/showthread....-BMW-F10/page2
Hello hamfei.

Your links is for a E9x, could you help me with a F10 please.

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Old 01-09-2013, 03:58 PM
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The exactly same approach... Only difference is that you will use E-SYS to code the kombi after installing it to your car
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:17 PM
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But is it the same EEPROM ?

I going to read, but I taked a fast view and I don't see the correct process.

Thanks very much
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:18 PM
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:19 PM
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Is the the point you told me ? Red in my case
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:35 PM
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Ok,

Should I buy this:

Use a R270 programmer (in china, it's $50 only...) and buy a SOP 8 test clip.?

And what's the software I need?

I think I can't find for this weekend in Madrid
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:06 PM
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What VIN is that DD27000 showing on KOMBI?
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:07 PM
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Ok,

Should I buy this:

Use a R270 programmer (in china, it's $50 only...) and buy a SOP 8 test clip.?

And what's the software I need?

I think I can't find for this weekend in Madrid
The R270 comes with the software to correct KM, and a HEX Editor to blank out the VIN, or you can use your own HEX editor.

The EEPROM program will be the one for M35160 EEPROM.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:10 PM
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Yes Shawn, I can see this vin number.

Now when I connect esys KOMBI appears with this vin and not with strange characters.

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Old 01-09-2013, 05:12 PM
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DD27000 is not my vin number. Is from a 7 series 730d xd
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:14 PM
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Do you know if in BMW can they recode it?

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Old 01-09-2013, 05:16 PM
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DD27000 is not my vin number. Is from a 7 series 730d xd
Ok. Well you definitely have to reprgram the EEPROM. At least you do not have to desolder it, and the R270 is cheap. I saw a couple last night and they were around $80 USD, and the SOP 8 test clip I think is only around $10.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:18 PM
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Do you know if in BMW can they recode it?

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Not without a matching VIN they can't. When they tried to program my car with "magic VIN" in my Combox, ISTA/P refused to recognize that my car had a Combox, even though it was installed, coded, and working properly.
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Old 01-10-2013, 04:41 AM
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What I don't understand is Bimmerretrofit saying that if 6WB is retroffited, the original cluster has to be reinstalled whenever a software update has to be made. Bimmerretrofit only supplies brand new 6WB's, so the correct VIN will be written during the first coding. Why then swap the original unit back on when upgrading?
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:15 AM
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What I don't understand is Bimmerretrofit saying that if 6WB is retroffited, the original cluster has to be reinstalled whenever a software update has to be made. Bimmerretrofit only supplies brand new 6WB's, so the correct VIN will be written during the first coding. Why then swap the original unit back on when upgrading?
If 6WB is not a valid Option Code for your vehicle based on it's production date, ISTA/P will not recognize it. So, in order to have your car dealer programmed, you have to return the original one.

So, in the case of new 6WB, it is not a VIN issue, rather it is an Option Code issue.
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:59 AM
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Ok,

Should I buy this:

Use a R270 programmer (in china, it's $50 only...) and buy a SOP 8 test clip.?

And what's the software I need?

I think I can't find for this weekend in Madrid
You need some basic knowledge on E-SYS and KOMBI...Let me explain...

Different than the other modules, KOMBI has a EEPROM to store the Mileage and VIN information. The CPU does not allow any modification to the EEPROM from external. This means that you cannot code this EEPROM by using any diag tools connected through OBD. This mechanism is to protect the mileage information to avoid manipulation.

What we are going to do is to crack this procedure. By using a R270 programmer, you will be able to read/write the information to the EEPROM. Usually, you need to take the chip off, put it onto the programmer and then work on that. With a SOP 8 test clip, you can do 'onboard' programming...

The procedure to reprogram a used KOMBI is
1. Use R270 to clear up the mileage (which is the purpose for R270)
2. Modify the VIN bytes from the binary. Write the modified binary back to the EEPROM
3. After doing the above steps, the CPU will treat itself as a brand new one. Then, you connect the KOMBI to your car, upgrade the program by using WINKFP, write VIN by using Tool32 and code it by using E-SYS

I hope you can understand what i'm talking about. Enjoy!
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:41 AM
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If 6WB is not a valid Option Code for your vehicle based on it's production date, ISTA/P will not recognize it. So, in order to have your car dealer programmed, you have to return the original one.

So, in the case of new 6WB, it is not a VIN issue, rather it is an Option Code issue.
So I would assume 6WA to be the same as I believe it was introduced in 3/11? Any vehicles with a production date prior to 3/11 would need to swap in the original cluster for service?
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:54 AM
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So I would assume 6WA to be the same as I believe it was introduced in 3/11? Any vehicles with a production date prior to 3/11 would need to swap in the original cluster for service?
Yes, that is my expectation. Another thing to consider is that in the U.S., 6WA requires HUD, whereas in Europe it was offered as a standalone option. So, even if you have a >=0311 Production Date, if you do not also have HUD, ISTA/P will most likely be confused.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:38 PM
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Thanks to all for the help.

I going to put my old instrument cluster, im afraid about error codes or service reminder messages.
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:50 PM
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I just swap with old cluster and all woks fine.


But now I have a slightly problem.
I can see in head up vision three dots like defective pixels in orange.

They are perfect alienated at the right of the screen, tomorrow I will try to recode it.

Any idea?
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Old 01-10-2013, 03:43 PM
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I just swap with old cluster and all woks fine.


But now I have a slightly problem.
I can see in head up vision three dots like defective pixels in orange.

They are perfect alienated at the right of the screen, tomorrow I will try to recode it.

Any idea?
I have no idea. Can you post a picture of the dots?
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Old 01-10-2013, 05:58 PM
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He suspects the seller erased the EEPROM.

On new KOMBI's, with a virgin EEPROM, supposedly it will automatically sync with CAS.

So, will a Used KOMBI do the same if it has been erased, or must the KM and VIN be changed?
This assumption is incorrect. Even for a virgin KOMBI, it's not going to get the VIN from CAS 'automatically'. It only happens when you are using ISIS with the procedure of 'replace' the KOMBI.

After doing what I mentioned for EEPROM, the ECU would treat itself as a virgin one...Actually, you need to write the VIN into KOMBI before you can use any coding tools.

For E platform, I used Tool32 with KOMBI_87.prg to run the job of write VIN (I cannot recall the name of the job and will post back) and then do coding with NCS. I think you should take the same approach.
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So if I wanna change my standard KOMBI to a brand new 6WA KOMBI on my F20, after replace the KOMBI hardware, I need to write VIN with Tool32, and then VO code 6WA, that's all I need to do?
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So if I wanna change my standard KOMBI to a brand new 6WA KOMBI on my F20, after replace the KOMBI hardware, I need to write VIN with Tool32, and then VO code 6WA, that's all I need to do?
Yes, for new virgin KOMBI, you should just need to write VIN / Code it.

For Fxx chassis though, I do not know if KOMBI_87.prg will work to write the VIN, or if any of the other numerous KOMBIxx.prg's will work either. I don't even have KOMBI_87.prg in my EDIABAS install.

It is possible though that just coding KOMBI with E-Sys will also write the VIN to it at the same time.
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I have no idea. Can you post a picture of the dots?
Solved.

After all night, this morning everything was ok.
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