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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 03-15-2015, 05:32 PM
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Sport Suspension Delete - What Gives?

On nearly every CPO listing I review where the X5 is an M-Sport or Sport Activity Package vehicle, the options list says "Sport Suspension Delete." But then there's no Adaptive Drive or DHP on the car either. Or Adaptive M suspension, or any of the other myriad terms BMW uses for their expensive suspension upgrades.

I suspect that all the dealers decided that the Sport suspension was too firm and deleted it on their spec cars, and didn't want to load the price with a $4000 suspension option. Or am I not seeing something? I'm really surprised that so very few of these cars have a suspension upgrade of one kind or another.

Where I'm coming from - my current car is an xDrive F10 with DHP, my previous was a RWD E60 with the sport suspension, and the one before that was an E53 also with the sport suspension. I far preferred the mechanical suspensions on the two older cars, but I can't seem to find an X5 that has it. Even the ones with Adaptive Drive seem to come along only now and then.

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Adaptive Drive is a fairly rare bird indeed in the e70 LCI ... it took me in excess of 5 months to find mine.

Even more rare is to find one with AD, self leveling suspension, no 3rd row seating and non m-sport, which is what mine is ...

Those who have it, swear by it, including me. Strangely enough, the used car market pricing does not reward you with a higher price for Adaptive Drive (good when buying, bad when selling).

You can't always trust the vehicle description by the dealer and/or the VIN analysis. They only proof positive way for AD is the black SPORT button near the shifter.
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I believe you will find that there is no E70 in the USA with a 'sport suspension'...in other words the factory default config for USA cars is "sport suspension delete". I think. Might have changed once I stopped paying attention (2013 ish)
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When I was shopping for 2012 X5, Sport pkg comes with Sport Suspension Delete by default in US.
But M Sport Pkg comes with sport suspension.
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Old 03-16-2015, 06:41 AM
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I love the M-sport treatment on the sedans, but not so much on the X vehicles. To my eyes, the ground effects make the car look like it's trying too hard. Others differ.

It looks like Adaptive Drive is the only way to tighten up suspension on these E70s, and we just have to patiently wait to find one. It's the same on the xDrive sedans, though DHP may be marginally easier to find. It's only $1000 on a 3 series when new.
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It looks like Adaptive Drive is the only way to tighten up suspension on these E70s, and we just have to patiently wait to find one.
It is SO MUCH more than "tighten"... AD transforms the handling IMO. It makes the car drive as if it is 1000 lbs lighter.

Have you driven one? You should....
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It is SO MUCH more than "tighten"... AD transforms the handling IMO. It makes the car drive as if it is 1000 lbs lighter.



Have you driven one? You should....

Yes, my F10 has DHP. I prefer the mechanical sport suspension that was on my E60, and not by a little.

But if DHP/Adaptive Drive is the only option...
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Yes, my F10 has DHP. I prefer the mechanical sport suspension that was on my E60, and not by a little.

But if DHP/Adaptive Drive is the only option...
I am not sure, but DHP may not include active roll bars.

If you just want stiffer shocks, buy anything and change them to different spring rates and shocks.... Nothing magical about BMW stuff.
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I am not sure, but DHP may not include active roll bars.



If you just want stiffer shocks, buy anything and change them to different spring rates and shocks.... Nothing magical about BMW stuff.

DHP does have the ARS. Nothing wrong with it at all, except that I drive mine in Sport mode 95% of the time, so I'd rather have the 704 M suspension at no cost, as it can be had on the RWD 5 series, and spend the $3500 DHP upgrade fee on a kitchen remodel. I would not miss the "Comfort" setting if I did not have it.
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I'm ripping this verbatim from xbimmers forum but here's the situation with "sport suspension delete" :

Here's a guide:

1. All U.S. market E70 2007-2013, regardless of "Sport Package" or "Sport Activity Package" designation included "sport suspension delete" option code (ie., standard suspension).

2. 2007-2010 with Sport Package included Adaptive Drive (AD) within the package. 2011-2013 Sport Activity Package (which replaced Sport Package designation) did not include AD, but AD could be ordered as a stand-alone option.

3. "M Sport" package 2010-2013 included sport suspension. 2010-2011 M Sport also included AD within the package, but AD was removed and became a stand-alone option in 2012-2013. No M Sport package for 35d for any years.

You might enjoy an E70 with AD (look for "Sport" button behind the shifter) but with standard suspension. You get flat cornering but avoid what could be perceived as a stiff ride with the sport suspension.
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You might enjoy an E70 with AD (look for "Sport" button behind the shifter) but with standard suspension. You get flat cornering but avoid what could be perceived as a stiff ride with the sport suspension.
AD only comes in one flavor.

BMW did nobody any favors with the term "sport"... if I was cynical Id say they purposefully bastardized the terms and confused its usage across platforms to make more money..seats..packages...suspensions..etc
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AD only comes in one flavor.
Did I suggest otherwise? AD is AD but can be found on non-sport suspension or E70's with sport suspension (M-Sport) and M.
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I believe you will find that there is no E70 in the USA with a 'sport suspension'...in other words the factory default config for USA cars is "sport suspension delete". I think. Might have changed once I stopped paying attention (2013 ish)
E70 M Sport 2010-2013 has sport suspension (different spring and roll bar parts numbers) as does E70 X5M. Agree that sport-suspension delete is the default, except for M Sport and X5M. No sport suspension delete option ever for X5M.
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I cleaned the guide up a bit:

1. All U.S. market E70 2007-2013 (except for M Sport and X5M discussed below), regardless of "Sport Package" or "Sport Activity Package" designation included "sport suspension delete" option code as a default, and you could not "change" this option (ie., you get standard suspension).

2. 2007-2010 with Sport Package included Adaptive Drive (AD) within the package. 2011-2013 Sport Activity Package (which replaced Sport Package designation) did not include AD, but AD could be ordered as a stand-alone option. But you still have standard suspension in either configuration.

3. "M Sport" package 2010-2013 included sport suspension standard (can't recall if you could delete). 2010-2011 M Sport also included AD within the package, but AD was removed and became a stand-alone option in 2012-2013. No M Sport package for 35d for any years. No 35d with sport suspension in the U.S. ever for that matter.

4. E70 X5M had standard adaptive drive and dynamic damper control.
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^ That's very helpful, thank you.

This is the strangest thing; I've similar suspension availability conversations on both the 5 and the 3/4 boards. The situation with the X5 seems to be the most confusing, but across models a buyer has to know exactly what they are doing with their suspension choices. I see xDrive 4 series coupes on dealer lots with no DHP, the standard mushy suspensions, and 6MT transmissions. I wonder who these cars are supposed to be for.

Ten years ago, maybe fifteen, a BMW pretty much always had a nice tight suspension whether you asked for one or not. I wonder if the market spoke this loudly that in order to broaden appeal and raise market share, BMW needed to soften their chassis? I'm rather bummed out by it, really. My 2001 E53 Sport Package handled better than my 2013 F10 xDrive with DHP, there's no doubt about it.
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^ That's very helpful, thank you.

This is the strangest thing; I've similar suspension availability conversations on both the 5 and the 3/4 boards. The situation with the X5 seems to be the most confusing, but across models a buyer has to know exactly what they are doing with their suspension choices. I see xDrive 4 series coupes on dealer lots with no DHP, the standard mushy suspensions, and 6MT transmissions. I wonder who these cars are supposed to be for.

Ten years ago, maybe fifteen, a BMW pretty much always had a nice tight suspension whether you asked for one or not. I wonder if the market spoke this loudly that in order to broaden appeal and raise market share, BMW needed to soften their chassis? I'm rather bummed out by it, really. My 2001 E53 Sport Package handled better than my 2013 F10 xDrive with DHP, there's no doubt about it.

I think when you're outside of the M line up, most owners prefer a comfortable ride over a sporty ride. I would say even within the M cars, owners still want a comfortable ride. Since 2007, M cars (except of 1M and Z4M) all had the adaptive suspension that can soften up the ride.

Between 2004 and now, I went from a Evo 8 to a E90 M3, and I must be getting old, b/c I love the comfortable ride in the M3, and hated the ride in the Evo starting around 2010....sorry.


It's unfair to compare a E53 with a F10 as the F10 is probably one of the worst handling BMW's ever made.
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It's unfair to compare a E53 with a F10 as the F10 is probably one of the worst handling BMW's ever made.
It is indeed, but one wonders whether that was a mistake or a conscious change in design direction.
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... a mistake or a conscious change in design direction.
A conscious change ... a la Lexus and Infinity. But not Acura!
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A conscious change ... a la Lexus and Infinity. But not Acura!
Which is why the F22 current series 2 is getting such interest from enthusiasts, goes "back" to a nice tight-though-comfortable suspension, reminds everyone of the E46.
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Which is why the F22 current series 2 is getting such interest from enthusiasts, goes "back" to a nice tight-though-comfortable suspension, reminds everyone of the E46.
And you can't order an M235 without an Adaptive M suspension, either, which I appreciate. BMW is actually saying that the car looks and smells like a sports car, it should have a sport suspension.
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And you can't order an M235 without an Adaptive M suspension, either, which I appreciate. BMW is actually saying that the car looks and smells like a sports car, it should have a sport suspension.
Yes, that's what the 228i Sport or MSport line is for, also lighter than M235i too !!
This said, M235i has the lowered sport springs in RWD version, only the shocks are 'adaptative'.
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Yes, that's what the 228i Sport or MSport line is for, also lighter than M235i too !!
This said, M235i has the lowered sport springs in RWD version, only the shocks are 'adaptative'.
This is what I want:
  • Sport and M-Sport versions of any BMW should include the 704 suspension by default on both RWD and AWD variants.
  • The 704 suspension should be available as a no-cost or low-cost option on xLine versions of X Series cars.
  • The "configurable" suspension - Adaptive Drive, DHP, whatever it's called on each model - available as a for-fee option on any version of the car.

That's it. Simple. This is more or less the way they have it set up on the F3x RWD cars.

Of course this does mean that if you buy an M-Sport car you can't get away from the sport suspension and it may be too firm for your taste. Then buy the luxury line instead or drop the bucks on Adaptive Drive and dial it back to the Comfort Mode.
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Of course this does mean that if you buy an M-Sport car you can't get away from the sport suspension and it may be too firm for your taste. Then buy the luxury line instead or drop the bucks on Adaptive Drive and dial it back to the Comfort Mode.
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Another thought. Drive M Sport and X5M back to back. I did this and found the M to have SIGNIFICANTLY better ride quality than the M Sport. Same as I found between 540i Sport Pack and E39 M5. M tuning seems to be more thought out.
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My 2001 E53 Sport Package handled better than my 2013 F10 xDrive with DHP, there's no doubt about it.
E53 Sport was nice for sure. Had 2 of them. But the E70 with AD and standard sus runs circles around even the 4.8is as far as suspension goes. Nothing sounds like the V8 E53 though.
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Yes, my F10 has DHP. I prefer the mechanical sport suspension that was on my E60, and not by a little.

But if DHP/Adaptive Drive is the only option...
You cannot compare the FXX suspension versions to the E versions. Completely different stuff. You cannot compare a 5 series to a X5. There is no similarities in suspension and suspension terms.

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DHP does have the ARS. Nothing wrong with it at all, except that I drive mine in Sport mode 95% of the time, so I'd rather have the 704 M suspension at no cost, as it can be had on the RWD 5 series, and spend the $3500 DHP upgrade fee on a kitchen remodel. I would not miss the "Comfort" setting if I did not have it.
Maybe the 5 series DHP is bla but I have owned 3 different AD X5's and have driven many non-AD X5's and it was night and day. I have driven many 5 series w/ out sport packages and many with, the 5 series actually had different suspension which makes a difference.



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Another thought. Drive M Sport and X5M back to back. I did this and found the M to have SIGNIFICANTLY better ride quality than the M Sport. Same as I found between 540i Sport Pack and E39 M5. M tuning seems to be more thought out.
You cannot EVER EVER EVER compare a ///M care to a Marketing M-sport version. M-sport is body kit and maybe a sway bar and spring, ///M is actual engineering to make the car better with completely different stuff. Believe me, I have driven or owned M-sports and IS designations in the past and the ///M is more than motor. I say this because you can take a x5 50, 335, 535 and get them tuned to be very fast cars but the speed is not the end all.
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