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Old 12-31-2012, 07:35 AM
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X5 35d CEL P205b

My 2011 X5 diesel thru a P205b CEL error. The "b" looks like a "6" on the diagnostic monitor. Technician had to replace the urea tank. He said that the actual problem was in the temperature sensor, but it was integrated into the tank so he had to replace the tank. I just wanted to post my resolution in case any of you out there experience this problem. It was covered under warranty. I asked the service advisor how much it would cost to replace it if not covered under warranty. He indicated that the part alone cost $1200 plus 4.5 hrs for labor. Hope this information helps someone.

This is my first BMW and diesel. The diesel exhaust system seems very complicated and I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to give me problems. In less than 2 yrs, it has thrown 4 CEL errors. Love the way the car drives so I put up with these CEL issues. My wife's 2011 X3 (gas) seems to be a little more reliable than mine. I am going to keep a close eye on the reliability issues and may replace it with an X3 or X5 gas.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:33 AM
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We had this fault code a few weeks ago on our 2010. The DEF system was in need of refilling (no start in 9XX miles) so the dealer tried adding some DEF and the fault cleared and hasn't been back since.

However, we have had recurring "low catalyst efficiency" codes being thrown lately. First cause was blocked DEF injector...


The faults have continued and the dealer is continuing to diagnose the root cause. Last effort was a complete flush of the DEF system and so far no faults. We will see...

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Old 12-31-2012, 09:45 AM
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[corrected]

How dealers fix these cars, and how we will be fixing them in the market once 'real people' beging working on, and paying for, repairs will be dramatically different. (Like cleaning the nozzle, repairing it or finding a replacement!)

Dealers are instructed by the OE to replace parts, often times in lagre and wasteful chunks.

Im not saying you repair was unnecessary, or there was some other fix...but just in general.

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Old 12-31-2012, 09:45 AM
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Jpey,
Good to know. Was it covered under warranty? If not, how much did they charge?

Thanks!
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:53 AM
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Ard,

Both P2056 and P205b exist. http://upkeep.us/OBDII/OBD2/GMC/Gene...t.php?art=1532 --> "Reductant Tank Temperature Sensor Circuit Range / Performance". This is exactly what the tech told me. He stated that the temp sensor was integrated into the tank, so they replaced the tank. To your point, a BMW repair shop may be able to replace the sensor for less $.

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Old 12-31-2012, 09:55 AM
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Jpey,
Good to know. Was it covered under warranty? If not, how much did they charge?

Thanks!
We are slightly out of warranty, but they covered it under goodwill. Aside from cleaning out the caked up DEF they replaced the metering valve/injector. This was/is a recall for the E90 diesels, but I couldn't find the same for our E70s.

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Old 12-31-2012, 10:12 AM
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Ard,

Both P2056 and P205b exist. http://upkeep.us/OBDII/OBD2/GMC/Gene...t.php?art=1532 --> "Reductant Tank Temperature Sensor Circuit Range / Performance". This is exactly what the tech told me. He stated that the temp sensor was integrated into the tank, so they replaced the tank. To your point, a BMW repair shop may be able to replace the sensor for less $.

Thanks
Thanks. I didnt look far enough on my list. ive corrected the post to be accurate.

Here is the tank: http://parts.bmwofsouthatlanta.com/s...rchString=tank

Pricey...

A

PS And to the point of fixes- in 10 years, with 200k on an x5d, I'd figure out what resistor needs to be wired to the connector to 'fool' the computer...or find a sensor that can be wired in and drill a hole in the tank to mount it..or..or... it will be amazing how much more information becomes available one warranties end and real DIYers tackle these. I've seen it on every car Ive followed- from 'new to 10 years'...a very impressive expansion of knowledge and DIYer capability.
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Old 12-31-2012, 12:39 PM
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Aside from cleaning out the caked up DEF And why would it "cake" I have been running DEF in my F350 for 2 yrs 52 K ....never see any solids much less Caking ?
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:20 PM
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Aside from cleaning out the caked up DEF And why would it "cake" I have been running DEF in my F350 for 2 yrs 52 K ....never see any solids much less Caking ?
The thinking is it was a failure with the injector/metering unit (the E90 recall I mentioned above) or the pump (which was also replaced on ours). If the DEF is not injected into the exhaust stream properly and/or leaks out of the injector it will collect around the injection port. The fluid will then evaporate and leave behind a white crystallized substance (I assume the urea solids) which is the build-up seen in my photo.

The crystallization is easily seen by E70 owners anytime the system is refilled and the excess DEF is not rinsed out of the small catch basins surrounding the fill ports.

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Old 12-31-2012, 11:00 PM
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Thanks. I didnt look far enough on my list. ive corrected the post to be accurate.

Here is the tank: http://parts.bmwofsouthatlanta.com/s...rchString=tank

Pricey...

A

PS And to the point of fixes- in 10 years, with 200k on an x5d, I'd figure out what resistor needs to be wired to the connector to 'fool' the computer...or find a sensor that can be wired in and drill a hole in the tank to mount it..or..or... it will be amazing how much more information becomes available one warranties end and real DIYers tackle these. I've seen it on every car Ive followed- from 'new to 10 years'...a very impressive expansion of knowledge and DIYer capability.
Thanks, great illustration. It looks big and complicated as I imagined.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:49 PM
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New to the forum. my first BMW diesel but not the first diesel.
Got P205b code, I called my SA, and he emailed me the quote
OPERATION: ESD2 Exhaust System Diagnosis II All

QTY PART NUMBER PART DESCRIPTION PART PRICE EXT PRICE
1 BM16-19-7-244-138 ACTIVE TANK 1418.73 1418.73

MISC CODE MISC DESCRIPTION QUOTE MIN QUOTE MAX PRICE
10 SHOP SUPPLIES 0.00
16 ENVIRONMENTAL CHG 1.00 5.00 1.00

LABOR $: 671.06
PARTS $: 1418.73
GOG $: 0.00
MISC. $: 1.00
TAX $: 85.13
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SUBTOTAL $: 2175.92

I have 95k on my X5, so it's out of the warranty from mileage stand point. I being told the active tank is special order from Germany and takes 3-4 weeks to get here.
Jpeytonii, how far off the warranty were you?
The car seems to be driving fine. Anyone know if any problem driving with the P205b CEL for few weeks / few thousands miles?


Chao.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:05 AM
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I have 95k on my X5, so it's out of the warranty from mileage stand point. I being told the active tank is special order from Germany and takes 3-4 weeks to get here.
Jpeytonii, how far off the warranty were you?
The car seems to be driving fine. Anyone know if any problem driving with the P205b CEL for few weeks / few thousands miles?


Chao.
I was only out by a few thousand miles.

FYI - the active SCR tank is available from other dealers for less than $1K.

I don't believe there will be any mechanical damage to the vehicle. The only possibility I can think of is a potential risk to the cat, but i don't think it would be a problem IMO. You will not pass emissions without the SCR system functioning however.

Good luck.

Cheers.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:34 PM
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Thanks jpeytonii. you know any particular dealer I will be able to get the scr active tank for less than 1k? I may just purchae the tank and have one of the independent repair shop change it out.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:29 PM
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I'd try and clean off the sensor and see if maybe it was just fouled, Mais worrybe some of the urea crystallized onthe sensor causing the errors.

BMW doesnt have a 'cleaning' procesure...you just replace parts. As far as they are concerned, 'you see code A, you replace part B'. Even if the mechanic now it

Try getbmwparts.com: http://www.getbmwparts.com/parts/ind...&siteid=214672

They have a $50 off coupon on the main page for purchases over 1000. $1084 final price
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:56 AM
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I know I sound like a broken record, but....

One of the great advantages of being a BMWCCA member is that most dealers give you a discount on parts. One repair like this, and the membership pays for itself. Plus you get the great Roundel magazine, and the Members Reward rebate when you purchase or lease your next BMW (including CPO). What's not to like? www.bmwcca.org.
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Old 03-09-2013, 08:21 PM
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Ard, thanks for the info. I may give the cleaning a try before replace the whole tank

this is my first 2nd BMW, we sold the other one before the factory warranty was over. My current X5 is only 3 years old, and frankly it has been trouble free for the past 95k miles. so far the only issue I have are emission related issues. I purchased the extended maintenance, so really no other out of the pocket expense besides the tires. Had EGR high pressure tank replaced around 79k with most of covered under warranty. I guess since I may consider keeping the car or trade in for another X5, I will look into the BWMCCA. Thanks for the info Quackbury.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:06 AM
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Thanks jpeytonii. you know any particular dealer I will be able to get the scr active tank for less than 1k? I may just purchae the tank and have one of the independent repair shop change it out.
Tomkinson BMW here: 16197244138

Tischer (GetBMWParts.com) is a common "go to" dealer on the web, but I have found that a little searching yields better pricing. I have found that Steve Thomas BMW usually has the best price on the web, but not this time. Remember to get the total delivered price. Sometimes shipping charges vary significantly.

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Old 03-11-2013, 06:26 AM
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Ard, thanks for the info. I may give the cleaning a try before replace the whole tank

this is my first 2nd BMW, we sold the other one before the factory warranty was over. My current X5 is only 3 years old, and frankly it has been trouble free for the past 95k miles. so far the only issue I have are emission related issues. I purchased the extended maintenance, so really no other out of the pocket expense besides the tires. Had EGR high pressure tank replaced around 79k with most of covered under warranty. I guess since I may consider keeping the car or trade in for another X5, I will look into the BWMCCA. Thanks for the info Quackbury.
I agree with Ard in theory and principle, but does anyone know if this sensor is accessible? I don't see any of the individual components of the active tank (pump, sensors, etc) in the parts list so my impression is that it is a sealed unit. When we had our problem it started as a sensor fault (I think temp) in the active tank. My dealer initially tried topping off the DEF to clear any crystallization on the sensor, but that proved to be only a temporary fix and not the route cause of the problem.

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Old 03-12-2013, 12:48 PM
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Funny that BMW superceded the SCR tank with a new tank that has "a more robust sensor" yet these codes are still a bit too common.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:55 PM
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Funny that BMW superceded the SCR tank with a new tank that has "a more robust sensor" yet these codes are still a bit too common.
Hi Jim. Where did you find that information? I suspected that BMW has updated the active tank and pump because our pump now runs for 20-30 seconds after the engine is shut down. It never did this before the active tank was replaced. I have not been able to find specific information indicating an updated part. I am aware of (and participated in) the emissions recall campaign, but the DEF active tank was not part of that.

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Old 03-12-2013, 04:39 PM
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Hi Jim. Where did you find that information? I suspected that BMW has updated the active tank and pump because our pump now runs for 20-30 seconds after the engine is shut down. It never did this before the active tank was replaced. I have not been able to find specific information indicating an updated part. I am aware of (and participated in) the emissions recall campaign, but the DEF active tank was not part of that.

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There was a Technical Service Bulletin for the E70 issued on February of 2012 (SI B16 01 12) for vehicles produced between 1/08-8/09.

SUBJECT
Service Action: Replace the SCR Active Tank (M57Y)

MODEL
E70 with the M57Y diesel engine produced from 1/2008 to 8/2009

situation
The temperature sensor in the Selective Catalyst Reduction (SCR) active tank may fail. A more robust sensor has been developed. This sensor is integrated into the active tank.

affected vehicles
This Service Action involves E70 vehicles with the M57Y diesel engine which were produced from 1/2008 to 8/2009.


In order to determine whether a specific vehicle has had this Service Action completed or is affected by this Service Action, first check the B-pillar label for code number 610. If code number 610 has been punched out, the campaign has already been performed. If code number 610 has not been punched out, it will be necessary to utilize the "Service Menu" of DCSnet (Dealer Communication System) or the Key Reader. Based on the response of the system, either proceed with the corrective action or take no further action.


You may not be affected but BMW recognized this issue early on. The old SCR part number is 16 19 7 216 923.
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:59 PM
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There was a Technical Service Bulletin for the E70 issued on February of 2012 (SI B16 01 12) for vehicles produced between 1/08-8/09.
Thanks for this. Ours is a 2010 and had the same failure. Apparently they didn't go robust enough...

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Old 03-14-2013, 07:59 PM
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Just a quick update. My is 1/2010 build date. I emailed the service bulletin to my SA last week and asked him if by any chance my active tank can be repaired under the warranty since BWM is aware of the issue. I got email from my SA today stated that he got the repair approved as warranty work and I can bring the car in anytime to get it done. I am very happy that BMWNA stepped up and make good on it. Good job to my SA as well.
Thanks again for all the helpful infos.

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Seems like BMWNA is being very generous on diesel emissions components... good to hear.

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Old 03-15-2013, 07:15 AM
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Glad to hear everything worked out for you. Really impressed that BMW stepped up - particularly with your mileage.

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