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X1 E84 (2011 - current)
The new to the US BMW X1 will arrive at BMW dealers in the fall of 2012 as a 2013 model year. Get your X1 28i with either sDrive (RWD) or xDrive (AWD) or get the US exclusive I6 N55 powered X1 35i dDrive.

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Old 12-01-2013, 02:22 PM
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Hi folks, new member and first post. Great forum, I have been lurking for a while.

In the next week I will buying or ordering an X1 xDrive. I have driven the 28i and it has plenty of get and go for me. The only reason for me to go with a 35i would be if it provided a noticeably more refined driving a experience. Heck, it might be something that 35i owners might say "after owning it for a while it does not make as much difference (refinement wise) as I thought."

If I was in my twenties, it would be no question, the 35i would get the nod, but I am in my sixties now and raw power is no longer the holy grail. Yes I will test drive it, but would like the opinion of those with some miles under their belt. I have to say that Consumer Reports latest survey with the 28i as much better than average and 35i as much worse than average has me scratching my head too. TIA,

PS I forgot to mention that most of my driving will be around town, almost all less than 15 miles distance, not for trips.

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Old 12-01-2013, 02:42 PM
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:02 PM
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Very pleased so far with my xDrive28i. Fantastic combination of power and efficiency and the 8-speed trans excellent. Not sure what you mean by "refinement". Main reason for going with the 35i would be for the extra power. If you found that the 28i had plenty of power, I can't see spending more and get a 6-speed transmission and poorer fuel economy.
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I'll put it this way. For the best part of 40 years, BMW is known for excellent straight six engines.
And for 70+ years, they've been producing inline-4 engines. And 2-cylinder motorcycle engines. Your point is?

OP: you will get significantly better mileage in your regime with the 28i.
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Hi folks, new member and first post. Great forum, I have been lurking for a while.

In the next week I will buying or ordering an X1 xDrive. I have driven the 28i and it has plenty of get and go for me. The only reason for me to go with a 35i would be if it provided a noticeably more refined driving a experience. Heck, it might be something that 35i owners might say "after owning it for a while it does not make as much difference (refinement wise) as I thought."

If I was in my twenties, it would be no question, the 35i would get the nod, but I am in my sixties now and raw power is no longer the holy grail. Yes I will test drive it, but would like the opinion of those with some miles under their belt. I have to say that Consumer Reports latest survey with the 28i as much better than average and 35i as much worse than average has me scratching my head too. TIA,

PS I forgot to mention that most of my driving will be around town, almost all less than 15 miles distance, not for trips.

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My wife and I just picked up a Xline/xDrive 28i and we love it. I also have 15,000 miles already on my N20 equipped 328i xDrive, it is a great engine and I don't think you would be disappointed with it. That being said, everybody is different and it us up to the individuals needs and wants for what they desire in their car.

We test drove both X1 28i and 35i (both xDrive) back to back. While the 35i was wicked fast and fun, we didn't think the driving experience was more refined than the 28i. For everyday driving the 28i is more than enough and gets better gas mileage. You will have no problem with passing or "fun" power. I think the 35i might shine better if you constantly have four adults in the car or are hauling heavy items with regular frequency. For us the 28i was the perfect mix as we were trading in a Toyota Highlander and much better gas mileage was one of our main points in trading for the X1. Just my opinion, good luck, either way I'm sure you will love it!
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Very pleased so far with my xDrive28i. Fantastic combination of power and efficiency and the 8-speed trans excellent. Not sure what you mean by "refinement". Main reason for going with the 35i would be for the extra power. If you found that the 28i had plenty of power, I can't see spending more and get a 6-speed transmission and poorer fuel economy.
Good call, I forgot about the difference in transmissions. That was another reason we went with the 28i. The 6 speed was great, but I love the 8 speed. Easily the smoothest transmission I've ever had in a car. Plus it shifts very fast and is sporty when you want it to be while achieving much better gas mileage.
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I test drove a xDrive28i Sport Line and a xDrive35i xLine back to back (and various other models), and the xDrive28i was the only one that had me smiling that day. I chose the 28i for the fuel economy, and because I felt the power of the 28i was sufficient. When I did my UDE over the summer, I test drove an X1 and was CERTAIN it was a 6 cylinder--was pleasantly surprised to see it was the 28i.

Also, if you want the fuel economy of the 28i and the power of the 35i, you can always add a BMS Stage 2 tune to the 28i for similar numbers. :-D
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I agree with you. But, I guess you have to be honest with yourself on how much you are going to really use the extra power as an X1 is going to be most peoples DD.

It was wicked fast and FUN. We went with our heads, ok, my wife talked me in to going with my head that the 28i was a better purchase for our needs. Grudgingly, I believe she is right.
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Everyone is going to tell you why their selection was the best, so at the end of the day, you are going to have to make your own decision.

That said, my wife chose the 35i because she thought the 28i was too busy, worked too hard constantly searching for the right gear, and didn't feel like a BMW. She is 65, not exactly a hot rod, and was coming off a 535. The 28i was not going to make her change cars. She likes the 35i a lot, it feels like a BMW, gas mileage be damned.
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I agree with you. But, I guess you have to be honest with yourself on how much you are going to really use the extra power as an X1 is going to be most peoples DD.

It was wicked fast and FUN. We went with our heads, ok, my wife talked me in to going with my head that the 28i was a better purchase for our needs. Grudgingly, I believe she is right.
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28i or 35i

We test drove both a 28i and a 35i. Wife said the 28i sounded like a gerbil was under the hood. ASS wasn't refined either. Shudders on restart. Needless to say she didn't like it at all.

She absolutely loves the 35i. She is 90% local driving around town, too.

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We test drove both a 28i and a 35i. Wife said the 28i sounded like a gerbil was under the hood. ASS wasn't refined either. Shudders on restart. Needless to say she didn't like it at all.

She absolutely loves the 35i. She is 90% local driving around town, too.

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Can't say the sound bothered us that bad, but I know people like how the I6 sounds better. ASS can be left off or coded off for free so you don't have to deal with it.
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Some other points to mention as well.

28i has an electronic shifter(joystick) and the 35i has a regular pull shifter.
35i has bigger front brakes, may affect special aftermarket rims.
Different muffler setups which shows from the rear end.

Sounds like the OP would be happy with the 28i. Save you a few bucks for other options.
You don't travel a whole lot so the extra ponies might not be worth it.
My guess is that most 35i owners didn't have a hard time choosing between the 2 models.
They knew they were going to buy the 35i early in the process.
If you want all the driving experience possible, the 35i is the model you want. If you just want a BMW, the 28i will be what you want. The 28i will put a smile on your face too!
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I had the 28 xLine for 2 weeks but it suffered the dreaded brake failure problem. The dealer bought it back from me with no financial penalty. I switched into the 35 Sportline. Both were 2014's.
So:
Deficit to the 2.8: potential serious brake issues till the fix arrives.
Other points about the 28:
-the transmission can get busy and confused at times. Particularly when driven hard. Most of the time it shifts beautifully though.
-The motor's sound is not a plus. It's just there.
-Power is strong
-Handling is better than the 35 due to it lower weight. It's more tossable.
-pretty good mileage

Points about the 35:
-It's a fairly raucous, scrappy beast when you want it to be. It's like an uber-refined, practical, grown up and well-rounded muscle car.
-The transmission just works. It never hunts, gets confused or busy. S-mode shifts like I do in a manual. D mode is smooth and refined.
-The power is outstanding. The motor in this car is simply brilliant. The best I've ever had after a Porsche 911 Turbo (2002). It transforms the driving experience. It brings me out of whatever I was thinking about to smile and say, "I love this car!" The 2.8 motor didn't do that.
-The sound is beautiful.

Put it all together: the 2.8 is a GREAT vehicle!! Basically it's nearly flawless except for the brake issue which will be resolved.
The 35 has virtually all the pros of the 2.8. But it adds a powerful emotional appeal.
Either way, you will be happy. Enjoy.
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My guess is that most 35i owners didn't have a hard time choosing between the 2 models.
They knew they were going to buy the 35i early in the process.
If you want all the driving experience possible, the 35i is the model you want. If you just want a BMW, the 28i will be what you want. The 28i will put a smile on your face too!
I agree 100%. I test drove the 28i, but already knew ahead of time that I would be getting the 35i because I had two N54's before and loved them so much that I wanted the N55 X1. Having said that, the 28i was more fun than I expected and I am sure will suit many buyers quite nicely, especially with that 8 speed transmission.
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I've owned both!
I had the 28 xLine for 2 weeks but it suffered the dreaded brake failure problem. The dealer bought it back from me with no financial penalty. I switched into the 35 Sportline. Both were 2014's.
So:
Deficit to the 2.8: potential serious brake issues till the fix arrives.
Other points about the 28:
-the transmission can get busy and confused at times. Particularly when driven hard. Most of the time it shifts beautifully though.
-The motor's sound is not a plus. It's just there.
-Power is strong
-Handling is better than the 35 due to it lower weight. It's more tossable.
-pretty good mileage

Points about the 35:
-It's a fairly raucous, scrappy beast when you want it to be. It's like an uber-refined, practical, grown up and well-rounded muscle car.
-The transmission just works. It never hunts, gets confused or busy. S-mode shifts like I do in a manual. D mode is smooth and refined.
-The power is outstanding. The motor in this car is simply brilliant. The best I've ever had after a Porsche 911 Turbo (2002). It transforms the driving experience. It brings me out of whatever I was thinking about to smile and say, "I love this car!" The 2.8 motor didn't do that.
-The sound is beautiful.

Put it all together: the 2.8 is a GREAT vehicle!! Basically it's nearly flawless except for the brake issue which will be resolved.
The 35 has virtually all the pros of the 2.8. But it adds a powerful emotional appeal.
Either way, you will be happy. Enjoy.
Pretty much agree with everything said here except the review of the 8 speed auto. I have an F30 with the same tranny and have not had that experience over the last year with my car. But, like you said either way you really can't go wrong and will be happy with an X1.
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Thanks for all the replies! They were very enlightening. Based on all the comments, 1) There is no wrong answer 2) I should drive the 35i and 28i back to back and then just go with my gut. I am big on nimble. I have been driving an Acura TSX since they first came out in 2003 as 2004 model and that vintage, with the hydraulic steering was nimble and engaging to drive in spades. A little down on power, but a great daily driver. (it did however have more power than the 2002 Tii I owned back in the 1970s!) Makes me think the lighter 28i might win the day, but we shall see.

Any comments on the leather seats vs. the leatherette? I can't tell the difference in the showroom, but as one puts some miles on the car does that change by any chance? If anything the real leather seemed a bit less pliable than the leatherette, but it's so subtle I am not sure. If you have a view I would love to hear it. Thanks again.

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Any comments on the leather seats vs. the leatherette? I can't tell the difference in the showroom, but as one puts some miles on the car does that change by any chance? If anything the real leather seemed a bit less pliable than the leatherette, but it's so subtle I am not sure. If you have a view I would love to hear it. Thanks again.

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My first BMW in 1986 had BMW's version of MBtex and the interior showed no wear after about 10 years and 300k miles ... And all that was needed was regular vacuuming and a wipe down with a mild detergent/towel. The next few BMWs with leather took lots more care and showed more wear.

So, if materials have improved over time the leatherette interior may be very suitable for you. By the way, very few people knew the early BMW interior wasn't actually leather!!


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The 28 is definitely more nimble, agile and light on its feet. The 35 was surprising in its heavy footedness in comparison. All told, I prefer the 35 in spite. Again, either way, they are great vehicles!!
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I recently just divorced my 4 car relationship with Lincoln and married into BMW 2 months ago when I bought my first BMW which is an E90 335i. I can tell you first hand after driving this car for 2 months I will never buy anything but a BMW... However, (knock on wood) I haven't been to the mechanic shop yet... Which I have heard can be popular with the older 335i's.
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I drove both back to back and felt the 28i works really hard to keep the engine in the sweet spot, smaller power band. The 35i has smooth consistent power and even thought it does not have the 8sp. I feel the 28i needs all 8 gears to keep it providing peak power. Gas mileage is marginal between the 2 and should not be considered a deciding factor.

One major factor for me was the n55 is the second generation turbo I6 and many of the bugs the n54 had have been resolved. The n20 on the other hand is in its first generation and as owners are finding the n20 is having all the problems the N54 had when it was first introduced.

In the end I went with a 35i because it puts a smile on my face whenever I am behind the wheel.
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I drove both back to back and felt the 28i works really hard to keep the engine in the sweet spot, smaller power band. The 35i has smooth consistent power and even thought it does not have the 8sp. I feel the 28i needs all 8 gears to keep it providing peak power. Gas mileage is marginal between the 2 and should not be considered a deciding factor.

One major factor for me was the n55 is the second generation turbo I6 and many of the bugs the n54 had have been resolved. The n20 on the other hand is in its first generation and as owners are finding the n20 is having all the problems the N54 had when it was first introduced.

In the end I went with a 35i because it puts a smile on my face whenever I am behind the wheel.
Really? Where have you heard about all of these problems with the N20? Besides the brake recall, I have not heard of anything else that has been a major issue. I've had my F30 for almost a year and 16,000 miles and zero problems. Also, I'm pretty active on the F30 board and I haven't heard people complaining of chronic problems with the N20. The N20 is essentially an N55 with two cylinders lopped off.
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