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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 01-05-2013, 07:14 PM
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From one extreme to the other

My first new car was a 1969 Firebird 400. I bought it off the lot but it was heavily optioned. As can be seen from the list a few posts back everything was an option, the center console, the lights in the glove compartment and trunk, the remote trunk release, etc. I kept it for two years and then for the next few years I drove second hand sports cars (Alfa Romeo 2000 Spider, Jaguar XK120, Austin Healy Sprite) and a Jaguar Mark IX Saloon.

I bought my next new car in 1978. It was a Honda Accord Coupe which I also bought off the showroom floor. I asked the salesperson about options and was asked whether I wanted a manual or a Hondamatic (which was a semi-automatic transmission as I recall). I said I wanted the 5 speed manual and was told that there were three available options, red, blue and silver.

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Extensive option lists that can radially change the character (and price) of a car is not a BMW innovation.
They have been around for years and have long been a staple of American Cars.

Below is a list of the options available on a 1968 Pontiac Firebird and this is not even a complete list as there was an "All Series Optional Equipment" list that included things like a heavy duty clutch etc.

1968 Pontiac Firebird Options & Accessories


Basic Group [Sample] 32 1
Protection Group [Sample] 2
Firebird Decor Group [Sample] 4
Mirror Group [Sample] 33 1
Lamp Group [Sample] 2
Firebird
1 BBL. OHC 6 Cyl. - Reg. Fuel - 250 Cubic Inch
3 Speed Man. - Col. Shift - E70x14 Black Wide Oval 34 1
Firebird Sprint
4 BBL. OHC 6 Cyl. - Premium Fuel - 250 Cubic Inch
3 Speed Man. - Floor Shift - F70x14 Black Wide Oval 34 2
Firebird 350
2 BBL. V8 - Reg. Fuel - 350 Cubic Inch
3 Speed Man. - Col. Shift - F70x14 Black Wide Oval 34 3
Firebird 350 HO
4 BBL. V8 - High Output - Premium Fuel - 350 Cubic Inch
Dual Exhausts - HO Side Stripes
3 Speed Man. - Col. Shift - F70x14 Black Wide Oval 34 4
Firebird 400
4 BBL. V8 - Premium Fuel - 400 Cubic Inch
Chrome Air Cleaner, Rocker Covers & Oil Cap
Dual Exhausts - Declutching Fan - Hood Scoops
3 Speed Man. - Floor Shift - F70x14 Red Wide Oval 34 5
Ram Air -w/Automatic or Close Ratio 4 Speed Only - Requires 361 & 3.90 Axle 34 7
400 HO 4 BBL. V8 -Eng. Opt. For Firebird 400 - Order in Place of 345 34 8

Transmissions
Hydra Matic - Available Firebird 400 only 35 1
Automatic-N.A. Firebird 400 2
3 Speed Man.-Fully Synchronized-Column Shift-N.A. Sprint or 400 3
4 Speed Man.-Fully Synchronized-Floor Shift 4
H.D. 3 Speed Man.-Fully Synchronized-Floor Shift-V-8 only 5
H.D. 3 Speed Man.-Fully Synchronized-Floor Shift-6 Cyl. only 6
Close-ratio 4 Speed Man -Floor Shift (required w/37s axle) 8

Axles
Safe-T-Track Rear Axle 36 1
Economy Axle 4
Performance Axle 8

Options & Accessories
Radio, Pushbutton-Man. Ant., Front [Sample] 38 2
Radio, Pushbutton-Man. Ant., Rear [Sample] 3
Radio, Pushbutton-AM/FM & Man. Ant., Front [Sample] 4
Radio, Pushbutton-AM/FM & Man. Ant., Rear [Sample] 5
Rear Seat Speaker-N.A. w/394 [Sample] 39 1
Sterio Tape Player-w/Radio Only [Sample] 4
Spare Tire Cover-Avail. w/702 only [Sample] 40 2
Defogger, Rear Window [Sample] 4
Door Edge Guards [Sample] 41 2
Dual Horns-Std. w/Cust. Trim 4
Mirror, Visor Vanity-R.H. [Sample] 42 1
Mirror, Visor Vanity-R.H. & L.H. [Sample] 2
Mirror, Outside Remote Control [Sample] 4
Seat Belts, Custom-Front & Rear-Includes Front Shoulder Belts [Sample] 43 1
Shoulder Belts-Rear Seat-w/431 only 2
Tachometer, Hood Mounted [Sample] 4
Cruise Control-w/351-2 & V-8 only [Sample] 44 1
Safeguard Speedometer 2
Rally Gauge Cluster [Sample] 4
Wire Wheel Discs [Sample] 45 2
Rally II Wheels [Sample] 3
Custom Wheel Discs [Sample] 8
Deluxe Wheel Discs-Std. w/Cust. Trim-Req. w/345-348 [Sample] 46 1
Deluxe Steering Wheel-Std. w/Cust. Trim [Sample] 2
Custom Sports Steering Wheel [Sample] 47 1
Console [Sample] 2
Clock, Electric-N.A. with 394 [Sample] 4
Dual Exhausts-Ord. w/343 only-N.A. 6 Cyl. [Sample] 48 1
Exhaust Extension(s) [Sample] 2
Delete HO Side Stripes-344 only 49 1
Deck Lid Release, Remote Control [Sample] 2
Rally Stripes-Std. w/344 4
Power Steering 50 1
Power Brakes [Sample] 2
Tilt Steering Wheel-N.A. w/ Std. Steering, Man. or Hyd. Col. Shift 4
H.D. 7 Blade Fan & Fan Clutch-V-8 only - Std. w/582 51 4
Disc Brakes, Front [Sample] 52 1
Custom Floor Shift Knob-Man. Trans. only [Sample] 4
Soft Ray Glass-All Windows [Sample] 53 1
Soft Ray Glass-Windshields only 2
Custom Pedal Trim Plates-Std. w/V8-Inc. w/Cust. Trim [Sample] 4
Power Top [Sample] 54 4
Power Windows [Sample] 55 1
Custom Trim Option [Sample] 55 4
Bucket Seat Adjuster, Manual-L.H. 56 4
Head Restraints [Sample] 57 2
Custom Air Conditioning-N.A. w/Sprint [Sample] 58 2
Rear Seat, Folding [Sample] 60 4
Ride & Handling Pkg.-(Springs & Shocks) 62 1
Floor Mats-Front Only [Sample] 63 1
Floor Mats-Rear Only 2
Koni Front and Rear Adjustable Shocks [Sample] 4
Lamp, Luggage [Sample] 65 2
Lamp, Underhood [Sample] 67 1
Lamp, Ignition Switch [Sample] 2
Radiator, H.D. - N.A w/582-STD. w/400 Eng. 68 1
Fan, Flexible - N.A w/582 [Sample] 2
Alternator, H.D. 55 Amp. & 61 Amp. Battery - STD. w/582 Eng. 69 2
Battery, H.D.-Std. w/344-345-348-582 [Sample] 70 1
Spare Tire-Conventional 2

Tires Cols. 71-72
E70 x14 Red- Wide Oval -w/341 only HC
E70 x14 White- Wide Oval -w/341 only HD
F70 x14 Red- Wide Oval MC
F70 x14 White- Wide Oval MD
195R x 14 White - Radial KM
Air Cleaner, Dual Stage H.D. [Sample] 73 1
Floor Mat. Rear Compartment [Sample] 2
Front Seat Shoulder Belts 75 4

Miscellaneous
Firebird Instrument Panel [Sample]
Child Safety Seat [Sample]
Deck-lid Luggage Carrier [Sample]
Removable Luggage Carrier-Karpak [Sample]
Ventilated Cushions [Sample]
Cushion Topper [Sample]
New Tissue Dispenser [Sample]
Car Compass [Sample]
Gas-cap Lock [Sample]
Spare Tire Lock [Sample]
Litter Basket [Sample]
Fire Extinguisher [Sample]
Highway Emergency Kit [Sample]
Engine Block Water Heater [Sample]
Yes.

The amount of options available on American cars in the 60s and 70s was ridiculous. ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. All car manufactures had to simplify going into the 80s and beyond. Either that, or they'd go out of business.

I would not consider the F30 or any BMW to have an extensive list of options. They all have a nice set of standard features and a relatively small # of options and packages compared to the American Manufacturers back in the 60s and 70s.

The ability to select a different trim is pretty cool, but it's nothing new. Back in the late 80s / early 90s, Nissan did that with the Maxima. You had a choice between the LE (Luxury Edition) or the SE (Sport Edition). The LE drove like a big domestic car. The SE was tighter, sportier, came with a rear spoiler and was a fantastic car. I had one. I loved it.

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The amount of options available on American cars in the 60s and 70s was ridiculous. ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. All car manufactures had to simplify going into the 80s and beyond. Either that, or they'd go out of business.

I would not consider the F30 or any BMW to have an extensive list of options. They all have a nice set of standard features and a relatively small # of options and packages compared to the American Manufacturers back in the 60s and 70s.

The ability to select a different trim is pretty cool, but it's nothing new. But back in the late 80s / early 90s, Nissan did that with the Maxima. You had a choice between the LE (Luxury Edition) or the SE (Spot Edition). The LE drove like a big domestic car. The SE was tighter, sportier, came with a rear spoiler and was a fantastic car. I had one. I loved it.
With the extensive option list that American cars had in the 60s and 70s it was was probably possible to build a few hundred million cars and not have any two exactly the same particularity when all of the interior and exterior color options were taken into consideration.

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Considering 99.5% of the cars won't go anywhere near a track, it handles fine.
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I have to disagree with that. The Lines concept has done quite a bit to LIMIT choice, making it impossible to option out a 3 Series in certain combinations. In particular, blending luxury and sport is not as easy as it used to be, and that's how I and several friends & acquaintances preferred to build cars. An obvious example is saddle leather + sport seats. It used to be possible to build a "thug in an Armani suit," if you will. Now you can have the thug or the suit, but not both.

As the captain was saying about suspension technology, we want it all and with modern technology (in this case, just-in-time manufacturing) there is no reason we can't have it. Honestly, if I had to shop for an F30 tomorrow I don't know whether Luxury or (M) Sport would win out. My hope is that more freedom of choice is possible when I'm ready for the next one.
Agree with you on the color choice issue, but beyond that the 335i, the Adaptive M, the Active Steering, the Sport Transmission, and the Eco/Comfort/Sport/Sport+ alone provide 64 different combinations of driving feel/performance which is quite configurable and suitable to every taste. You want a tight rocket? You got it. You want a comfortable cruiser? You got it.

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True, but something to consider...

The tech like Idrive, Nav, around view cameras all cost quite a bit to develop.

BUT.

Even the most stripped basic F30 features the unibody which had countless hours in both cad, clay, wind tunnels, and studied for crash worthiness. The drivetrain-engine, transmission and brakes, all tons of R&D. That is baked into the F30 regardless of what kind of trim is replaced. The plastic being replaced with wood or tires going up an inch, those are mainly things you see or touch. Granted they make a big difference, but it's the bones of the F30 that require the big investment and are included in the $36k stripper. That engineering is more BMW defining than all the crap we pile onto the $36k to make it a $50k car. It's only what BMW has HAD to do to keep up with our desire to turn our cars into 4 wheeled Smart Phones.

Putting the nice wood and metal and nicer time and tech up the wazu into a car with flex in the unibody, poor safety/crash worthiness, poor performing/underpowered/thirsty engines would be a waste and would not be a 3 series.
Agree that the stripped 3 Series is still one hell of a car.

The challenge comes when someone doesn't understand the premise that the 3 Series is two-cars-in-one; the $50,000 Luxury car it's intended to be and the $37,000 stripper. We've seen it many times, the person that comes in here and says "For the same $40,000 I can get a TL that comes with power seats and sunroof and Satellite radio and navigation, this F30 is a rip off!" not realizing that the brand equity carries a price and that Acura's strategy has always been to offer a bigger car with many more features for similar money and that BMW's strategy has always been to offer a cheaper version of the car they designed to be worth $50,000.

The streams get crossed a lot, the confusion is partly by design. When someone in here says the inverse of "Man, to get what I want and option this car to be like other luxury brands it's going to cost me like $12,000 more!" that's where the level-setting needs to come in.

The BMW 3 Series is that rare car that literally is everything to everyone. It's a $329 cheap lease, it's a $629 fully loaded Luxury car. It's a weekend track car, it's a highway cruiser. It's really what makes the car the "ultimate" driving machine if you ask me.

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Oh it is still fun though!
To each his own. I loved driving my ZHP. I tolerate my F30.
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Who says?
Are you asking who says an F30 will beat an e46 around a track or who says the e46 is more fun?

I have no empirical evidence the F30 will beat down an e46 on a track. I suspect it will (tracked my ZHP and just given the limits of that car v. what I've encountered in my F30, my money with the same driver would be the F30).

As for fun? The e46 in a landslide. Again, just my opinion having lived with both.
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Well well looks like we are still going at it in here with the F30 being in the cross eye of "the hard core" folks. Give it up guys, honestly the F30, with the Dynamic Handling is by far the most comfortable, agile, easy to drive near the limit 3-series ever. Hell and that is coming from a guy that had a 328i E90 sport, with 18 inch non-run-flat summer tires. I just have the run-flats on my 335i because, gulp, don't mind them at all. The adaptive suspension does such a great job that even in sport setting its way more comfortable than my E90 and sharper in turns.

As far as I am concerned BMW hit this one out of the ball park.

So for all the people out there than don't have a sportline F30 or a dynamic handling packaged car please don't chime about handling when compared to a E90 sport model. You are dead wrong.

As BJ and other have said over and over, BMW did a great job producing different F30s for different driving tastes and budgets. Don't come in here bitching about a stripper F30 with its 17 all season tires and base suspension and expected to handle like a race car. it will not.
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Considering 99.5% of the cars won't go anywhere near a track, it handles fine.
Exactly. Not only that, but I really have to go out of my way to find a real nice stretch of country back roads to come anywhere close to the point where I could really appreciate the handling dynamics of any car I buy.

95% of my driving is stopping and starting in the suburbs and straight line highway driving.

With that said, I still couldn't drive around in just any car. A BMW F30 is perfect for me.

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Are you asking who says an F30 will beat an e46 around a track or who says the e46 is more fun?

I have no empirical evidence the F30 will beat down an e46 on a track. I suspect it will (tracked my ZHP and just given the limits of that car v. what I've encountered in my F30, my money with the same driver would be the F30).

As for fun? The e46 in a landslide. Again, just my opinion having lived with both.
I was referring to the fun part.

But since I don't drive on a track, there is no doubt that the F30 is a lot more fun driving on the road than the E46. It's not even close.
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I was referring to the fun part.

But since I don't drive on a track, there is no doubt that the F30 is a lot more fun driving on the road than the E46. It's not even close.
That is subjective. If fun is more connection to the road (not talking about harsh suspension), and smooth high revving N/A I6, nimble size...

One of the good things people like about the F30 328i is better time on the track, which makes for a good trade off for losing a few fun handling characteristics off the track.

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Yes. It's in the national vernacular.

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I was referring to the fun part.

But since I don't drive on a track, there is no doubt that the F30 is a lot more fun driving on the road than the E46. It's not even close.
Bingo.

No one drives on a track, yet that's all we talk about around here. Enough.

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That is subjective. If fun is more connection to the road (not talking about harsh suspension), and smooth high revving N/A I6, nimble size...

One of the good things people like about the F30 328i is better time on the track, which makes for a good trade off for losing a few fun handling characteristics off the track.
Yeah, it's subjective for people who own F30's, not a guy who owns an E90 and has ATS fantasies. Have you even taken a test drive in an F30?

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My autox/track times in a fully loaded f30 with base suspension and non funflats were better than msport 135i, e90 335i (although his fastest time beat mine eventually) zhp 330i, evo x and even some e46 m3's. i am by no means a pro. But it says something about the f30.

I wouldnt be surprised if it is those same ppl with slower times saying that the f30 is soft and does not handle as well as previous models. Most ppl giving input wont be driving the car to its limits before giving an opinion (although there are plenty who can).
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I want everyone who thinks the car doesn't handle well to use the F30's performance screen, and actually see how much torque and HP you actually use. You don't go anywhere near what this car is capable of. The F30 has become 'softer' then it was, but it still provides the average consumer with comfort and sense of dynamic driving. Most BMW 3 series drivers are new to the brand, so they won't even know what the e9x was like.
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Agree that the stripped 3 Series is still one hell of a car.

The challenge comes when someone doesn't understand the premise that the 3 Series is two-cars-in-one; the $50,000 Luxury car it's intended to be and the $37,000 stripper.
Let's also remember the reality that inventories show very few cars at $37K or $50K, and that the entire range in between is nicely represented. It seems like most cars are somewhere between $40K and $45K MSRP.
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Let's also remember the reality that inventories show very few cars at $37K or $50K, and that the entire range in between is nicely represented. It seems like most cars are somewhere between $40K and $45K MSRP.
That range you listed, $40-45k, is what every advertised lease deal falls into. So yeah, that's where a bulk of your sales are coming from-Leases at $329 based on a $41k MSRP.
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Are you asking who says an F30 will beat an e46 around a track or who says the e46 is more fun?

I have no empirical evidence the F30 will beat down an e46 on a track. I suspect it will (tracked my ZHP and just given the limits of that car v. what I've encountered in my F30, my money with the same driver would be the F30).

As for fun? The e46 in a landslide. Again, just my opinion having lived with both.
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Most BMW 3 series drivers are new to the brand, so they won't even know what the e9x was like.
Heck, most F30 (and E9# for that matter) owners wouldn't know the difference between an E30 and F30.

Yet if you come back here in 20 years when the 3er is probably as big as the current F10 you'll likely find a post that the all new and improved G30 model 3 series doesn't handle as well as the E30 or heaven forbid.......................the F30.

Spoken as someone who cut his BMW teeth on a '91 318is, time and experience have the concomitant effect of altering ones perspective.
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great thread here truth,passion and bmws learned alot in this thread

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Bingo.

No one drives on a track, yet that's all we talk about around here. Enough.

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Bingo.

No one drives on a track, yet that's all we talk about around here. Enough.


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