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Old 12-04-2014, 12:01 PM
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US military to replace the Beretta.

It's Glock vs. S&W:

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Old 12-04-2014, 01:39 PM
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Let's hope it's Glock. The poor guy has got a huge mistress bill.
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I wonder if S&W will engineer a new gun for the competition...
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US military to replace the Beretta.

Not sure what problem they are really expecting to solve. 45 is too big for some troops, especially smaller folks to accurately handle. 40 cal and .357 sig are reportedly hard on the frame. Apparently police departments are trading those on for 9mm for that reason. Guess they just need to buy something because the old guns are just worn.
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:58 AM
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Not sure what problem they are really expecting to solve. 45 is too big for some troops, especially smaller folks to accurately handle. 40 cal and .357 sig are reportedly hard on the frame. Apparently police departments are trading those on for 9mm for that reason. Guess they just need to buy something because the old guns are just worn.
I have small hands, and shooting a full frame Beretta M9 is a pain in the butt. I can't quite grasp the thing in order to finish flat on the trigger. As a result, accuracy suffers.

I suspect at least part of the reason is that with the increased emphasis on diversity, smaller stature folks (i.e., women) are also having issues qualifying. As far as I know, the M9 does not come with user replaceable backstraps (M&P, Glock Gen 4).

I would predict that the guys at Beretta are burning a lot of midnight oil in coming up with an entry into this contest, though, you 'betcha.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:23 AM
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Why not a Sig P220?
My guess is simply $$.

What does a P220 retail for these days? $1,115?

M&P - $569...
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Yup.

Although this is the first time I've seen a major DoD player (GD) involved in a handgun competition...as far as anyone know? Whether their link to S&W is a plus or not, time will tell.

The UK just went Glock (17s), replacing their Browning HPs, interestingly enough:

http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/23797.aspx
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I don't like Glocks.
Plastic gun. "oops, forgot" safety.
I'll stick with "anything but" Glocks but I know lots of folks that swear by them.

That is all.
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Double-action to single-action trigger pull, decocking lever, high bore axis, 8-round magazine, and sharp edges-o-plenty, for starters.
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If they are really looking for better ballistics with less recoil I think the FNH 5.7 could be a good replacement if it weren't so damn expensive. Then again when you order 100,000 at a time I would hope you might get a bit of a price break.
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/fns...-self-defense/
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Maybe the glock 17? with full auto capability.
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Funny this showed up on my fb this afternoon
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta...nt-of-defense/
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I would predict that the guys at Beretta are burning a lot of midnight oil in coming up with an entry into this contest, though, you 'betcha.
Aaaaannnnd...Here we go:

"After delivering over 600,000 M9 pistols to the DOD and on the heels of being awarded a new contract for up to 100,000 M9s, Beretta USA announced today the presentation of the M9A3 to the US Army. The M9A3 introduces major improvements to the M9 that will increase the operational effectiveness and operational suitability of the weapon. The improvements include design and material enhancements resulting in increased modularity, reliability, durability, and ergonomics. They are being submitted via an Engineering Change Proposal (ECP) in accordance with the terms of the current M9 contract."

http://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta...nt-of-defense/
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:17 PM
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Funny this showed up on my fb this afternoon
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta...nt-of-defense/
Sorry, I overlooked your post. You called it.
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Slightly unrelated but while perusing the Beretta website I found these:
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta...tor-3-devices/
Sounds like we really need to be giving these to our armed forces more than side arms.
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