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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 12-19-2012, 07:10 AM
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Which 535i to go with?

Hello All,

I've been browsing forums, I'm in the market for a 2008/9 535i. I've seen and drove a couple of them, but have a hard time making a decision, and hopefully you guys can chime in. I plan to tune (JB4) once I get the car to start off with. The deliema I have is that some 535's have navi and some don't. How well is the navi integrated into the car? Some have a sport button, how often do you guys use the sport mode, especially with those with JB4. (I heard JB4 will override it). Its hard to think of a premium car without navi, auto-dim mirrors... I want a 535 with all the bells and whistles including paddle shifters..anywho. Thanks for the feedback in advance.
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:06 AM
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My priorities are service history from dealer and or current owner and best equipped.. loaded cars always do better on resale.. but not@ the cost of mileage..
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:11 AM
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You need to look for a 535i Sport with navigation.
It comes with a better suspension and awesome seats.
Paddles are not necessary, I almost never use mine.
There's a sport setting on the auto transmission for both the Sport and Standard version. It engages turbos quicker, holds revs longer, and stays in a lower gear to give a more aggressive driving mode. This does not change with JB4, but JB4 adds a lot more hp and torque which then makes the D position plenty powerful and responsive.
On the standard 535 you flip the gear selector to the left to engage sport mode, same with the 535 Sport, but it also has paddles and a sport button behind the gear selector.

When you order the JB4, get the G5 ISO version. It has isolated boost control which makes for a more linear power curve with more torque in the low and mid range. Every new owner who installs JB4 have the same comment: Why on earth didn't BMW sell the car like this? It now feels like a real performance sedan!
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:33 AM
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thank you for the quick responses. Seems like its going to take me a while to find both. I really want alpine white on top of that, but hard to find around here. (I have 2 black cars right now..getting kind of tired of that color..haha)
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:00 PM
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Here's a 2010, no nav though. http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...&&aff=national

Or a 2008: http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...&&aff=national
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:20 PM
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As Oceans said, the sport package is a must have if only for the seats.

Another nice to have feature is the Heads Up Display (HUD), especially if you use Nav often. The HUD shows the next turn (an arrow, street name, and distance until you reach it) which I much prefer over an annoying voice telling me when to turn or taking my eyes off the road to look at the Nav screen.

Other options to think about -- fold down rear seats (makes it possible to carry large/long objects), rear sunshades (good for long Summer trips with kids), ski pass thru & bag, heated steering wheel (what an awesome feature!), Logic 7 stereo (wish I had that), parking sensors.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:33 PM
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Thanks...how can you tell if it has the sport package?...I've noticed the sport wheels (18") but some don't have the sport button on the gear shift console..
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:50 PM
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Thanks...how can you tell if it has the sport package?...I've noticed the sport wheels (18") but some don't have the sport button on the gear shift console..
There are two "sport options": Sport Package (suspension, seats, wheels) and Sport Auto Trans (sport button, shift paddles). You really want the Sport Package, SAT on the other hand is fun at times but most don't consider it a must have.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:50 PM
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Sport mandatory. NAV from 2008 disappointing - but if you have to have it...
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:16 PM
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Thanks for the navi input. Is there a way to tell if it has premium package? And 7 logic sound?
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:27 PM
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There are two "sport options": Sport Package (suspension, seats, wheels) and Sport Auto Trans (sport button, shift paddles). You really want the Sport Package, SAT on the other hand is fun at times but most don't consider it a must have.
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Old 12-20-2012, 07:18 AM
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Search this site for "VIN Decoder". There is one that will tell you exactly how a BMW was equipped when it left the factory as well as mfg. date.
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Old 12-20-2012, 03:30 PM
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Sport package MANDATORY. JB4 is an EXCELLENT idea. The combination will make you smile every day. And I've been smiling every day with that combo (well JB3, then JB4) since I bought it 3 1/2 years ago.
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Old 12-20-2012, 03:34 PM
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The vin decoder was an awesome idea. Thanks

There's one I checked out. Runs great. But ran autocheck and has a lemon/mfg buy back listed. Would that be a risky buy? Considering some issues I read online. It's CPO Until Jan 2014. Killer deal though
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Old 12-20-2012, 03:46 PM
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Find out what the issue was. Often it is due to multiple HPFPs being replaced. You don't want to inherit a problem that was never totally fixed. Sometimes BMW solves the problem but are obliged to do the buy back because the owner is fed up with a lengthy repair process. That could be a very good deal for the next owner, and CPO should give some protection.
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Old 12-20-2012, 03:51 PM
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Find out what the issue was. Often it is due to multiple HPFPs being replaced. You don't want to inherit a problem that was never totally fixed. Sometimes BMW solves the problem but are obliged to do the buy back because the owner is fed up with a lengthy repair process. That could be a very good deal for the next owner, and CPO should give some protection.
All I know was the motor was replaced.. Work was done at BMW. Its currently got 60k miles It's a great deal, but what troubles would I have selling or trading in the future?
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:33 PM
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You will love the car. Personally I say screw the sport package and go straight for the m-sport package. Makes the car look super aggressive. Just remember you are not buying a Honda or a Toyota no matter what BMW you buy you are eventually going to have to fix something. They are high performance cars. Just remember one thing in the long run cheaper is always more expensive. Do yourself a favor and get a CPO.


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Old 12-21-2012, 07:51 AM
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All I know was the motor was replaced.. Work was done at BMW. Its currently got 60k miles It's a great deal, but what troubles would I have selling or trading in the future?
I would probably walk away from that one. The dealer was probably competent in the replacement, but as complex as the support systems for these engines are, who knows if everything was put back together correctly...
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Old 12-21-2012, 10:15 AM
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The vin decoder was an awesome idea. Thanks

There's one I checked out. Runs great. But ran autocheck and has a lemon/mfg buy back listed. Would that be a risky buy? Considering some issues I read online. It's CPO Until Jan 2014. Killer deal though
I just went through buying one. Easy way to spot a sport package is shadow line trim, no chrome around doors/windows. There are a LOT of lemons out there. Do not buy one. Dealers value these on trade at like 15 grand or less. You will never be able to sell these unless you want to keep forever. Get a car first that is accident free and no paint work. Then get the options you want. I got a 2008 sport, NAV, comfort access, logic 7, premium package, cold weather package, split fold rear seats. I wanted all and I think all are great. I would have liked iPod connection kit, sport auto trans and m sport. M sport is harder to find and people usually ask a premium for them. Also, a 2010 has the new NAV, as the main benefit besides being newer. All comes down to how much you want to spend. I think NAV is a must have as many people will not be interested in a buying a luxury car without it.

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Old 12-21-2012, 12:17 PM
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Personally, I believe in

getting one that's really well loaded up with options. However, 9/10 of the E60's I found were not well optioned.
Here's my list
(1) Navi (yes I have it on my smart phone, but I still use the BMW navi as well and like having the maps)
(2) Premium package: no matter what they say, plastic is not as nice as leather
(3a) Sport AWD: this one has a caveat. On an "xi" the only reason to get sport is to get the better seats. I'd skip it if the car has the comfort seat option. The difference between regular and comfort seats is substantial.
(3b) Sport RWD: The 18" rims don't mean much to me when the ride is still more Buick than Bavarian. But, for a RWD, sport really is a traditional BMW sport package (handling improvement).
(4) Folding rear seats: I think I use this feature at least once every couple of weeks.
(5) Cold weather package (mandatory if you have real winters)
(6) Logic 7 HK system: stock system is pretty bad. HK system is tolerable when in L7 mode (excusing the weird things it does on talk radio)

The price difference of E60's with and without these features seems to be about $1500, which seems like a great value to me.

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(8) extended warranty. Starting with my E39, these BMW's have had simply atrocious reliability. They're even below Mercedes IMHO, and Mercedes is already bad. I'd even go so far as say they're now down in Audi territory.

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Old 12-21-2012, 06:36 PM
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Question 2008 550i M Sport Option Codes

dev1983, not trying to hijack your thread. Thought you might like to know the answer to these questions too.

Can someone please illuminate me on a few options?

I'm looking at 2 fairly identical 2008 550i M Sports. Both have the P7MPA Sports Package, S704A M Sports suspension, and S715A M Aerodynamics package.

The only difference is that one transmission is the S2TBA Sport automatic gearbox and the other is the S205A Automatic transmission. Is S2TBA simply the same transmission with the paddle shifter option?

Also, both cars advertise as having Logic7, but neither has an Option Code that identifies the sound system as "Logic7". One has S676A "HiFi speaker system" and the other has S677A "HiFi System Professional DSP". What's the code for Logic7?

Also, what does the S823A Hot-climate version give one?

Lastly, is the automatic transmission in the 2008 550i the same as the 535i?

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DSP is code for L7. Professional is the basic sound system.

Hot climate simply means it is programmed to send more cold air through the center vents. It's a software setting.

Auto tranny is same on both 535 and 550. I rarely use my paddles, not that big a deal when you have strong power flowing. Pedal does the work.
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Hot climate simply means it is programmed to send more cold air through the center vents. It's a software setting.
Cool! (Ha Ha!) Can the software setting be changed by the dealer/indie such that a non-S823A "Hot-climate version" can be made into one?
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Yes, but just set it in the climate control menu in iDrive. Same result.
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I'm more interested the sport models with the button and paddle shifters, so in sport model with out the sport button, how would you put the car into sport mode? just by sliding the gear select to the left? Is it the same sport mode? I test drove a few with the sport button, and man it makes a difference.
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