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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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I'm a Senior Executive too, and many of my other executive buddies in our executive parking spots drive 3 Series. C's and Audi's too.

This misnomer that the "bigger more expensive car" is the better car is straight out of 1982. Today, you buy the brand you love in the size you need. No prizes for buying a Ralph Lauren Polo Shirt XXXXL if you are actually a M. They cost the same thing, just different sizes.

Same thing for BMW. You want a BMW sedan. You pick the size that's right for your family. You pay what you can afford to get as many options onto that form factor as you can. If I needed the space that a 7 Series or a 5 Series offers, I'd have bought one. If I had a small family, I'd look at the 1 Series or the Roadster. The 3 Series fits me perfectly. Not too big, not too small.

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In whose fantasy world?

Exactly, so what's changed since 1982?
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Fact is, there are executives on this forum that drive the 3 Series, and a lot of their executive friends drive a 3 series or similar priced car too.

Not every executive drives around in a BMW 760i. Plus, at that point, you're really talking about CEO level executives anyway. Either that, or some single guy that doesn't have any wife or kids (I actually know someone in that category).

The stereotype that sr execs all drive around in a 7 series or atleast a 5 series just isn't true.
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Yes, I think some companies get carried away handing out the executive titles just like the banks used to do. Too many empty suits with meaningless titles.

People used to aspire to greater things and not settle for the average. Cars like the 7 Series BMW were, and are designed for those who have reached the executive level lifestyle.
Whatever his title, it's probably better than "Mr. and Mrs. Grocery Getter"
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My official title is "Senior Chief Executive Presidential Officer of the Department of Redundancy Department", which of course as it turns out is a fancy name for Janitor.

I am not sure exactly where my company ranks in the Fortune 500,000,000 but I suspect we may have moved up a few notches this year.

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This thread is getting very sad...
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Yes, I think some companies get carried away handing out the executive titles just like the banks used to do. Too many empty suits with meaningless titles.
Dude, no offense, but you have no idea what I do, what capacity I serve in, or what anyone else on this forum does either.
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I don't really see a 3 Series being an executive car. It is a nice car, however. Possibly it remains as what used to be referred to as a "Yuppie" car.
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How can a car driven by soccer moms, spoilt kids, and euro taxi drivers be considered an executive car?

It's a nice daily driver but no one really aspires to own a 3 series BMW!
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How can a car driven by soccer moms, spoilt kids, and euro taxi drivers be considered an executive car?

It's a nice daily driver but no one really aspires to own a 3 series BMW!
Dude, you need to get out more. See the world. See how people live. Drive through the inner cities, the run down suburbs just outside of city limits, and the rural south.

There are college graduates working as waiters and waitresses, and many living in their parent's basement. People are struggling to make ends meet and pay their bills. Foreclosures are still a big problem. Unemployment is listed at 7.8%,but we all know it's much higher than that. They don't count people that gave up looking for work.

Internationally, there are people living in tent cities in Haiti, hundreds of millions of people in India live in slums. In Africa, hundreds of millions don't know where they're getting their next meal. I won't even mention the middle east and all the poor communist countries and countries led by a tyrannical ruler.
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Yes, I think some companies get carried away handing out the executive titles just like the banks used to do. Too many empty suits with meaningless titles.

People used to aspire to greater things and not settle for the average. Cars like the 7 Series BMW were, and are designed for those who have reached the executive level lifestyle.

Like I should probably. Yet I drive an humble E90. After all, I was hired by the top level president, our biggest customer is Hyundai and we sell to all major global utilities companies, NASA, nuclear power plants and US Army Corp.

Isn't all this BS over?
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That is why all my empty suits are made by Brioni.
Given your background, I read that as Bricasti.
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Then your boss must be a senior senior senior senior senior-something.

PS: I also have a "senior" word in my formal position title.

Some people are just full of it.
Why do you assume I'm "full of it".

It is not possible that out of the millions of BMW owners that someone at a senior level in a large company might have stumbled onto Bimmerfest and engaged in dialog with other BMW owners?

You can have a discussion with me if you choose to, but I will not be called a liar. Elk proposed a solution to your endless trolling; I suggest you follow it.

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In whose fantasy world?

Exactly, so what's changed since 1982?
You and I do not speak anymore.

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Fact is, there are executives on this forum that drive the 3 Series, and a lot of their executive friends drive a 3 series or similar priced car too.

Not every executive drives around in a BMW 760i. Plus, at that point, you're really talking about CEO level executives anyway. Either that, or some single guy that doesn't have any wife or kids (I actually know someone in that category).

The stereotype that sr execs all drive around in a 7 series or atleast a 5 series just isn't true.
+1

I can lease a 7 Series for $200 more a month if I had the need for it. That's less than my monthly lunch budget, about what I spend going to movies or being a season ticket holder each year.

My last two CEO's both drove E90's, still do in fact. When I drove my E93 I felt like I was upstaging the officer team, wasn't my intention.

My 72 year old mother is like this. She grew up in the 1950's where the "bigger" car was the better car, really showed everyone on the block who was making good money and who wasn't. Flash forward to 2013 and it's just not that way anymore. In my neighborhood, if we want to compare success, we talk 529's, 401k's, investment portfolio's, summer homes, and net worth. Don't need a bloated 7 Series to get the point across. We just discuss it routinely.

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Prove it. BS, of course. I would be more impressed if you said "Do you know how many new paid-for F01 7-series I can align in my driveway?".

Of course, mine is far from being large enough.
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How can a car driven by soccer moms, spoilt kids, and euro taxi drivers be considered an executive car?

It's a nice daily driver but no one really aspires to own a 3 series BMW!
The 3 Series is two cars in one:

1. A $36,000 stripper that gives the $299 a month Accord owner a $50 bump into a status-symbol with some spirited driving tendencies.

2. A $50,000 Luxury car that has all the bells and whistles, optioned a-la carte into a comfortable cruiser or a sporty rocket.

"Soccer mom's" either drive the husband's $50,000 luxury car or the $36,000 stripper as a second-car to their Range Rover.

"Spoiled kids" drive their dad's hand-me-down 2007 E90 328i or they just buy one themselves with their summer job money for $4,200.

"Euro taxi drivers" don't matter. A Buick is a $50,000 USD luxury car in Shanghai. We don't live in Germany, BMW's and MB's aren't taxi's in this country.

BMW has a rare situation with the 3 Series. Can't think of another car that can pull off the $36,000 stripper and the $50,000 Luxury car simultaneously in the same vehicle. You've misinterpreted BMW's marketing of the vehicle as "aspirational" and "sporty" in the inverse.

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Prove it. BS, of course. I would be more impressed if you said "Do you know how many new paid-for F01 7-series I can align in my driveway?".

Of course, mine is far from being large enough.
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Oh yes, I meet B-****ters everyday. Welcome to the club.
Elk:

Let it be known that I am showing restraint in the face of personal attack for the good of the forum and this thread but my patience is wearing thin. This is a forum for grown adults who can afford new luxury cars; I fail to understand why we need to be subjected to this.

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BMW has a rare situation with the 3 Series. Can't think of another car that can pull off the $36,000 stripper and the $50,000 Luxury car simultaneously in the same vehicle.
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I will leave this here. Just in case.
Mustang V6 22200$
Mustang GT500 54200$

Of course, most 3-series competitors start at around 35K$ and easily top 50K$.

Think harder.
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In whose fantasy world?

Exactly, so what's changed since 1982?
BJ has changed, according to BJ.
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I can lease a 7 Series for $200 more a month if I had the need for it. That's less than my monthly lunch budget, about what I spend going to movies or being a season ticket holder each year.

My last two CEO's both drove E90's, still do in fact. When I drove my E93 I felt like I was upstaging the officer team, wasn't my intention.

My 72 year old mother is like this. She grew up in the 1950's where the "bigger" car was the better car, really showed everyone on the block who was making good money and who wasn't. Flash forward to 2013 and it's just not that way anymore. In my neighborhood, if we want to compare success, we talk 529's, 401k's, investment portfolio's, summer homes, and net worth. Don't need a bloated 7 Series to get the point across. We just discuss it routinely.

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I think one of the reasons why I drive a humble 3 series is because I grew up so poor.

I lived in a very modest row home right outside of a large east coast city. We had nothing, nothing at all when I grew up. My parents were great though...They brought me up well.

I worked really hard to get where I am at. When I was a kid, I never even imagined that I would be driving around in a car like an F30 335. My house is paid for, I got 2 kids going to college, we're doing great financially, but I am perfectly ok driving around in a 335. I don't need a Porsche 911 or a BMW 760i.

335 is perfect for me.
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I was speaking in generality and I am living in a world larger than the Bimmerfest Forum.
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The 3 Series is two cars in one:

1. A $36,000 stripper that gives the $299 a month Accord owner a $50 bump into a status-symbol with some spirited driving tendencies.

2. A $50,000 Luxury car that has all the bells and whistles, optioned a-la carte into a comfortable cruiser or a sporty rocket.

"Soccer mom's" either drive the husband's $50,000 luxury car or the $36,000 stripper as a second-car to their Range Rover.

"Spoiled kids" drive their dad's hand-me-down 2007 E90 328i or they just buy one themselves with their summer job money for $4,200.

"Euro taxi drivers" don't matter. A Buick is a $50,000 USD luxury car in Shanghai. We don't live in Germany, BMW's and MB's aren't taxi's in this country.

BMW has a rare situation with the 3 Series. Can't think of another car that can pull off the $36,000 stripper and the $50,000 Luxury car simultaneously in the same vehicle. You've misinterpreted BMW's marketing of the vehicle as "aspirational" and "sporty" in the inverse.

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I'm not speaking to you either.

My first BMW and really nice car was a 320i. I bought it because I had worked hard, was starting to really make it, and I wanted to taste a bit of success. I loved the car, and it just made me want to work harder to move up to a 5 Series which I did, a 533i. With each better car, I kept working smarter to be able to get to the next level. IMO, it was a healthy personal challenge and proved very rewarding.

I wonder how much I would have achieved if I had just been satisfied with my first 3 Series?

Now, I'm back into a 3 Series because I've been there and done that. We had our BMW 740iL and our Mercedes S600, and for me, I now just want to drive cars that I personally enjoy for fun.
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Let it be known that I am showing restraint in the face of personal attack . . .
You have, indeed, and were gracious by immediately being the first to call it quits.

C'mon guys - do we have to sick Vern on you?
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I think one of the reasons why I drive a humble 3 series is because I grew up so poor.

I lived in a very modest row home right outside of a large east coast city. We had nothing, nothing at all when I grew up. My parents were great though...They brought me up well.

I worked really hard to get where I am at. When I was a kid, I never even imagined that I would be driving around in a car like an F30 335. My house is paid for, I got 2 kids going to college, we're doing great financially, but I am perfectly ok driving around in a 335. I don't need a Porsche 911 or a BMW 760i.

335 is perfect for me.
Similar story here, though from a middle-class family, but equally hard working. Put simply, I don't need more car than a 3 Series though I certainly could be excessive if I wanted to.

To those of us in a fortunate financial situation, a 3 Series is a practical car, the minimum class and brand of vehicle to keep up with our social circles and fit in.

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I hope with all the inspiring personal stories of the F30 drivers, the OP can finally understand, as much as he does not care for the look at the front, the beautiful people sitting behind that not so beautiful front, will more than make up for it.

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