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Now here is how the Peaks Pike is really done. It kind of puts in perspective all the bitching about every minor "loss of purity" of your "ultimate driving machine."
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On another note, anyone know how to use a slide rule?

Do you?
Yes, I do. Mine's upstairs with my electronic calculator collection.

I still prefer to drive than be driven, regardless of whether the other driver is human or not.
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why does it feel like i am the only one that thinks this is so awesome! don't get me wrong I LOVE driving, however this technology is so friggin' sweet! I am really excited to see what the future brings to autonomous driving.
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so audi pulls ahead of BMW in the section where people dont actually drive the car. makes sense I guess.
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at least this will help decrease other drivers frustration from watching a woman try to park...
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Really...

Just out of curiosity, and being a Boston driver, does this self driven Audi also have the one finger salute for when someone cuts it off? You know, flippin' the bird, raising the sign of stupidity, showing the one finger love? Also, given it is so intelligent, I am concerned it'll be consumed with road rage, what then? Does it go after the non intelligent cars like BMW or Mercedes? Heaven forbid it picks on the Toyota's or Honda's - what a bully!

Seriously if I wanted a driver versus driving, I'd be ingenious enough to come up with a ponzi scheme, be filthy rich and hire someone to drive me around ... Cool technology? You betcha. But just a little too controlling for me. (Reminds me of "Big Brother" er I mean Google where the technology becomes so good it controls everything we see/do, how we do it and simply has too much info that could control my life.. kind of takes living out of life and experiencing it)
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Just out of curiosity, and being a Boston driver, does this self driven Audi also have the one finger salute for when someone cuts it off? You know, flippin' the bird, raising the sign of stupidity, showing the one finger love? Also, given it is so intelligent, I am concerned it'll be consumed with road rage, what then? Does it go after the non intelligent cars like BMW or Mercedes? Heaven forbid it picks on the Toyota's or Honda's - what a bully!

Seriously if I wanted a driver versus driving, I'd be ingenious enough to come up with a ponzi scheme, be filthy rich and hire someone to drive me around ... Cool technology? You betcha. But just a little too controlling for me. (Reminds me of "Big Brother" er I mean Google where the technology becomes so good it controls everything we see/do, how we do it and simply has too much info that could control my life.. kind of takes living out of life and experiencing it)
True for you but it would benefit some people immensely
- Those for whom driving is a chore.
- Vision-impaired folks (assuming the car doesn't need any driver input).
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True for you but it would benefit some people immensely
- Those for whom driving is a chore.
- Vision-impaired folks (assuming the car doesn't need any driver input).
Vision impaired I get and see the value provided there is no input needed. A chore? Mmmm, not so much.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:37 AM
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Vision impaired I get and see the value provided there is no input needed. A chore? Mmmm, not so much.
Do you wash your clothes by hand for the experience?
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so you're comparing washing clothes to driving a BMW?
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so you're comparing washing clothes to driving a BMW?
How did you arrive at that conclusion?

I just used an extreme example of a chore.
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As long as other cars in the garage parked itself too. I don't trust other drivers or where it decides to park my car. I guess it can be better than some valet who mistreats your car.
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I can see the self-drive technology be applicable in special lanes, similar to HOV, for long distance commuters where the driver can relax. Just have to worry about the bad drivers who use your lane or debris or unexpected obstacles on the road that systems like these will not be quick to respond.
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Do you wash your clothes by hand for the experience?
lol... No but the maid does.
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I just used an extreme example of a chore.
I understand but there is/are a big difference/s between the two. For starter, no matter how good you are at washing clothes by hand, it is never fun. For most people driving would stop being a chore if they would simply learn how to drive. Not to mention, that would make driving more enjoyable to us who don't view it as a chore.
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I understand but there is/are a big difference/s between the two. For starter, no matter how good you are at washing clothes by hand, it is never fun.
Watch the movie "No Impact Man"...it'll show you how people have fun doing something simple like washing clothes.

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For most people driving would stop being a chore if they would simply learn how to drive. Not to mention, that would make driving more enjoyable to us who don't view it as a chore.
Sometimes there is no inclination to learn something. We all went to school and studied the same subjects yet different people find a subject fun, while it's simply a chore for another. Driving in stop and go traffic is never fun. For some people, that is nearly all the driving that they ever do.
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Unfortunately my opinion is that this is inevitable, and is the way all cars will be in my lifetime.

I think computers have long since reached the point where we know how to build a computer that won't fail easily, and in many ways is less fallible than a human being. Navigation is good enough that we can drill down to within a few feet of resolution... more than good enough to reach any destination. And even for those who love to drive, there is still the daily slog to/from work that IS a chore. Sure, my Bimmer makes it more pleasurable... but I think it'd be far more pleasurable not to do it at all.

While I think there'll always be a place for cars that are driven, it's going to be more like track days. Major highways will have special lanes... even isolated lanes for auto-driven cars, and as the buying public shifts toward buying these those isolated lanes will get larger, and the lanes for driven cars will vanish. Soon, there will be highways that are "Driverless Cars Only" and that will basically spell the end of the driver's car for most purposes.

In many ways this will be pushed by efficiency, energy needs and cost. Why would you care how many horses a driverless car has under the hood? You only care that you get in, and 20 minutes later you get out at work having taken a nap, watched TV or surfed the web for a bit. It means engines can be incredibly efficient... a 1 litre or less diesel engine feeding an electric drivetrain perhaps. These will be cheap because they'll be easily mass-produced and effectively cookie-cutter. The first company to get these to market properly is going to win... not just the race to be first but quite possibly the lion's share of that market (so long as they don't make any totally idiotic mistakes).

We've already seen it with BMW; the battle for the hearts and minds of the drivers among us is over. Not won, but ceded because no-one cares to fight it any more. Cars are less and less driver focused in every generation, and that's because the general public doesn't want to drive. They want to go places, they just don't want that intervening task of driving.

Not saying it's a good thing, or even the right thing... it just is. And as I said, I think we'll see it in our lifetime.
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How did you arrive at that conclusion?

I just used an extreme example of a chore.
Because you posted it in a direct response to someone whom you were having a conversation with about driving cars.
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Sometimes there is no inclination to learn something. We all went to school and studied the same subjects yet different people find a subject fun, while it's simply a chore for another.
That is true. However, it is also true that, when you actually TRIED to learn whatever the subject, it WAS more interesting than before.

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Driving in stop and go traffic is never fun. For some people, that is nearly all the driving that they ever do.
That is true as well. However, if everybody is actually driving, there's very rarely stop and go traffic and driving is a lot of fun in such heavy traffic (Italy). If Italians were driving like we do here, forget stop-and-go, hello parking lot - nobody would get anywhere.

Actually, you don't need to go as far as Italy, it is the same thing in NYC. Yet, I wish I could do a poll and see how many New Yorkers see driving as a chore compared to a population of a two-cows-and-one-intersection towns deep in American Midwest. Wouldn't surprise me at all if New Yorkers like driving better than those other people. Also, it wouldn't surprise at all me if those other people have more of stop-and-go traffic than New Yorkers.
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Just out of curiosity, and being a Boston driver, does this self driven Audi also have the one finger salute for when someone cuts it off? You know, flippin' the bird, raising the sign of stupidity, showing the one finger love? Also, given it is so intelligent, I am concerned it'll be consumed with road rage, what then? Does it go after the non intelligent cars like BMW or Mercedes? Heaven forbid it picks on the Toyota's or Honda's - what a bully!

Seriously if I wanted a driver versus driving, I'd be ingenious enough to come up with a ponzi scheme, be filthy rich and hire someone to drive me around ... Cool technology? You betcha. But just a little too controlling for me. (Reminds me of "Big Brother" er I mean Google where the technology becomes so good it controls everything we see/do, how we do it and simply has too much info that could control my life.. kind of takes living out of life and experiencing it)

It'll be cars with cameras, web connected - one finger salute replaced by mailed citation in the surveillance/behavior mod State.

And then....what cut off? Driving themselves, major arteries being restricted to same, there will be no human drivers goin' ghetto. Nothing but gentle sweetness as you immerse in cyber reality during travel. Perhaps you've left your body and, in virtual reality, you travel by your will alone, visiting unheard-of places, even planets, black holes, nebulae, and comets. Or maybe you're feeling horny?

Hey, there are no limits in cyber space save enabling hardware and imagination. Now comes the real paradigm shift: We live much of our lives in augmented reality, driving almost nowhere, as everything's delivered. Just use your imagination....could you refuse a much more stimulating life?

And what then? Rise of the machines.
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It'll be cars with cameras, web connected - one finger salute replaced by mailed citation in the surveillance/behavior mod State.

And then....what cut off? Driving themselves, major arteries being restricted to same, there will be no human drivers goin' ghetto. Nothing but gentle sweetness as you immerse in cyber reality during travel. Perhaps you've left your body and, in virtual reality, you travel by your will alone, visiting unheard-of places, even planets, black holes, nebulae, and comets. Or maybe you're feeling horny?

Hey, there are no limits in cyber space save enabling hardware and imagination. Now comes the real paradigm shift: We live much of our lives in augmented reality, driving almost nowhere, as everything's delivered. Just use your imagination....could you refuse a much more stimulating life?

And what then? Rise of the machines.
Yes Neo I now see the matrix.. now quick answer the phone and get us out of here.
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