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Old 01-11-2013, 04:57 PM
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Question BMW Tire Insurance or new set of non run-flat tires?

I was wondering if anyone changed their tires right at the dealer before delivery from runflats to regular tires to avoid any tire and wheel issues with them.

I am thinking about doing so instead of buying the rather expensive tire protection plan from the dealer. I can buy a set of tires from the Tire rack or Discount Tire and get their relatively inexpensive road hazard plan.

And at the lease end, I can return the car with its original set of tires.

What do you guys think?
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Sounds like a good idea or you can get the insurance through a 3rd party for under $1,000.

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I don't userstand.
Why return the lease car with a brand new sets of tires to the dealer?
Why not just sell the run flats for $1k right off the bats. And gets yourself some nice tires that will last throughout the entire lease?
That way you don't even need tire insurance at all and saved yourself some money.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:52 PM
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I don't userstand.
Why return the lease car with a brand new sets of tires to the dealer?
Why not just sell the run flats for $1k right off the bats. And gets yourself some nice tires that will last throughout the entire lease?
That way you don't even need tire insurance at all and saved yourself some money.
I don't know what the deal is with BMW but Mercedes and Infiniti are asking to have the same type of tires on the car when you return the cars at the lease end. I assumed the same would be true for BMW...
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I don't know what the deal is with BMW but Mercedes and Infiniti are asking to have the same type of tires on the car when you return the cars at the lease end. I assumed the same would be true for BMW...
Oh really? So they expect you to return the car with brand new tires at the end of lease?

Never knew that. :/
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:45 PM
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Not brand new but the same brand and size with usable thread. At least that was my experience. So I am thinking why go thru all the issues with run flats? I can use a dedicated set of winter tires and a set of summer tires and put the originals back on when returning. If BMW does not care what tires you have on the car, that is good to know as well. Then I can sell the run flats like suggested
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I think the major requirement is that they tires be RFT.

I went for conventional tires forgoing the tire and wheel insurance. The RFT's are in storage until the end of the lease. I bought the tire insurance on the new conventional tires. It was like $40 per tire. After you get a flat, you can get it replaced by buying the insurance again and paying for mounting. That runs about $70 at my tire shop.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:48 AM
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Did you use the OEM TPMS or buy a new set?
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I am most certain as long as they are bmw-approved rft tires when it's returned. You can also sell your new set, buy what you want, then buy a set of cheap useable bmw-approved tires for lease return. So man variables actually. If you get into another lease they might not even look into the tires.
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:35 AM
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it looks like you are getting the 18 inch rims which really have no issues with the runflat tires.
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I'd get the tire and wheel protection. Even a non-run flat tire will set you back $300-400 for a non-repairable puncture (had one on my last car about 1 week after having the car - my luck). On my old vehicle I had to replace 2 tires and have 1 repaired. If I didn't have the protection, I was looking at $600-800 out of pocket. My insurance for that car was $670. When I sold the car in year 2 1/2 of 5, I cancelled the coverage, and they refunded 1/2 the money, so my out of pocket was about $350 instead of $600-800.

For the BMW, my dealer was offering $1000 third party ins (and I tried to negotiate... they wouldn't budge), but I took it anyway given the 50+ pages in the consolidated RFT thread. I have one of the 24 month leases, and this coverage is for 36 months. So, at the end of the lease, I should get about $300 back, so my OOP is $700 for 2 years or $350 per year. Even if I do not take advantage of it, I am willing to pay $350 for that piece of mind, and it will more than make up for it if I get 1 nail per year.

I thought about the same thing, taking out the RFTs, stashing them, and purchasing non-RFTs, which should last me over a year. Then when those are worn, throw on the RFTs and that's what the car will be returned with at the end of the lease (and it should have more than 4/32 tread)... I also wanted to get the spare (just in case), and the runflat kit (just in case). When you add everything up, you're looking into RFT territory to change something out, and you lose 1/2 your trunk.

I just sucked it up and I'm putting up with the clunky RFTs and I'm hoping I get a nail in every tire after the year mark so I get new tires 1 by 1 and not have to purchase them for lease end...
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Old 01-12-2013, 11:46 AM
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I am most certain as long as they are bmw-approved rft tires when it's returned. You can also sell your new set, buy what you want, then buy a set of cheap useable bmw-approved tires for lease return. So man variables actually. If you get into another lease they might not even look into the tires.
Where can we get a list of "BMW approved" RFTs?
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it looks like you are getting the 18 inch rims which really have no issues with the runflat tires.
Even in the pothole and meteorite crater infested Northeast with never-ending road constructions?
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I am most certain as long as they are bmw-approved rft tires when it's returned. You can also sell your new set, buy what you want, then buy a set of cheap useable bmw-approved tires for lease return. So man variables actually. If you get into another lease they might not even look into the tires.
I will definitely get into another lease but I still don't want that to be put on the table as the part of a negotiation.
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Even in the pothole and meteorite crater infested Northeast with never-ending road constructions?
I have had no reliability problems in 10 K miles with 18" OEM Conti RFTs. The original 19" OEM LS2s were a much different story. The Goodyear and Conti OEM tires are warranted against road hazards for at least a year by the tire manufacturer.
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Even in the pothole and meteorite crater infested Northeast with never-ending road constructions?
25,000 miles mostly NY, NJ, PA. No issues with the 18 inch RFTs. I bought the tire insurance because of the hysteria on Bimmerfest at the time. But so far, haven't needed it.
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Also don't forget that most OEM run flats come with a year or so of full replacement road hazard warranty.
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25,000 miles mostly NY, NJ, PA. No issues with the 18 inch RFTs. I bought the tire insurance because of the hysteria on Bimmerfest at the time. But so far, haven't needed it.
Nice to know. That is exactly the area that I'll be driving the car. I hope I'll be as lucky as you. I may skip the insurance and if anything happens, then I change all the tires with non-RFT tires until the end of the lease
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Also don't forget that most OEM run flats come with a year or so of full replacement road hazard warranty.
Do they give you any documents stating that?
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Do they give you any documents stating that?
You'll find it in the glove box. It's probably on a CD. Because BMW has nothing to do with the tire warranty, most BMW dealers will claim there is no such thing, but are willing to sell you one of their own.
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You'll find it in the glove box. It's probably on a CD. Because BMW has nothing to do with the tire warranty, most BMW dealers will claim there is no such thing, but are willing to sell you one of their own.
Those sneaky bastards! lol Thanks.
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Where can we get a list of "BMW approved" RFTs?
I know all bmw-approved tires have the Star Symbol on the tire. I think...someone can maybe clarify that. Not sure where a list is...
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If I decide not to purchase the tire protection plan from the dealer, what are my options? Are there tire insurance companies that provide this coverage?
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Also don't forget that most OEM run flats come with a year or so of full replacement road hazard warranty.
Also Discount Tire sells warranties for about $25-$50 per tire.

Paying thousands is ridiculous.

So glad to have the BMW F10 OEM spare tire kit in my trunk.
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Personally I'd go with a dedicated winter snow.

I'm running a -1 set-up. it's an OE P/N from BMW. Dunlop Wintersport 3D RFT. BWM has a P/N for the wheel tire combo which also falls under my tire and wheel insurance. As long as it meets specs, you have coverage on the snows.

Driving around yesterdy reminded me of my bad roads. heavy metal fasteners that hold down the timer for RR tracks were popping up in the crossing. times like this is when i'm happy that i got the tire and whell package.

However BMW needs to step up. The tires are heavy, make more noise when they wear out, and all around suck (all-seaons).

I'd get a set of winter tires.

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