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Old 02-14-2016, 11:05 PM
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16 x3 35i vs 17 Q7

I had almost finalized to go for the 16 X3 35i with ZDA (Driver Assistance) and ZDH (Dynamic Handling). MSRP comes around $50k. Me and my wife are not interested in any additional selections/options.

Then yesterday we decided to at least test drive the 17 Q7. For the Q7 we are interested in the most basic/standard package. It comes very well optioned (standard) when compared to X3/X5. MSRP comes around $55k. Luckily the model we test drove was the basic model with very few options. It's fast but definitely not as agile and fun as the X3 due to the extra mass etc but still pretty nimble/good for a big suv. Wife loves the upscale interior and additional space.

Discounts on the Q7 are very low as it is very new. X3 has good discounts but in few months they will bring out the brand new redesign. Therefore the final out the door price difference will be more then $5k. I am guessing around 8k or 9k.

Heart says X3. Fun to drive. Nimble, love the engine sound.

Brain says Q7. Brand new redesign, more space, upscale interior, not a huge price difference.

Can you guys give me your thoughts? Super confused

How is the reliability of the supercharged V6 in Q7?
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Old 02-14-2016, 11:36 PM
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Btw the family size is 3. I am planning to keep the new vehicle for long time as it's not a daily driver with fewer annual miles.
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Old 02-15-2016, 05:10 AM
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I'm not convinced that the G01 X3 will be out in a few months. I see speculation, but I don't see confirmation. Something will be out in April, but I'm not convinced that it will be anything other than the typical annual F25 shuffle of options and packages.
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Old 02-15-2016, 06:23 AM
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Btw the family size is 3. I am planning to keep the new vehicle for long time as it's not a daily driver with fewer annual miles.
I would say get the Audi Q7. Bigger vehicle that can grow with your needs. If 9k isn't a huge price difference to you than go for it. I would take Volvo XC90 over Q7 if I were in that price range.
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Old 02-15-2016, 03:43 PM
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The redesigned X3 will not be out until mid-late 2018 based on what seems to best estimates. Next model year of X3 won't offer much difference but will have one less year of maintenance and warranty. I considered the Q7 and the XC90 to get the latest and greatest technology but had concern about buying a brand new model in its very first year. Went with an X3 35i xDrive.
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Old 02-15-2016, 08:14 PM
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The redesigned X3 will not be out until mid-late 2018 based on what seems to best estimates. Next model year of X3 won't offer much difference but will have one less year of maintenance and warranty. I considered the Q7 and the XC90 to get the latest and greatest technology but had concern about buying a brand new model in its very first year. Went with an X3 35i xDrive.
Thank you everyone for the replies.

Was the newer tech your only concern for switching to X3 instead?
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Old 02-16-2016, 03:55 AM
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I would want the newer tech; safety features more up to date. Address features lacking in last one versus competition... However, an entirely new model just into production historically speaking is more problematic. The current is X3 tried and true.
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Old 02-16-2016, 10:15 AM
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JMO, not to knock anyone's choices, but the X3 is a slightly different animal from the Q7, XC90 etc. Those offer more space and luxury (for more money) but at the expense of light weight and maneuverability.

If I hauled a couple of kids around as I used to do, I would certainly think about the bigger vehicles. But the X3 has the size advantages of a sedan in terms of maneuverability, parking and better gas mileage, yet with more flexibility and a higher seating position than a sedan.

The real competition for the X3 is the Q5, XC60 and Lexus RX. Only the Lexus has a new design at this point. None of them are really any cheaper than the X3.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:33 AM
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I'm not convinced that the G01 X3 will be out in a few months. I see speculation, but I don't see confirmation. Something will be out in April, but I'm not convinced that it will be anything other than the typical annual F25 shuffle of options and packages.
Will the new 4.0 engine be in the F25 shuffle or will it be delayed until the G01? Any insight?
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Old 02-16-2016, 12:29 PM
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Old 02-16-2016, 02:09 PM
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I had almost finalized to go for the 16 X3 35i with ZDA (Driver Assistance) and ZDH (Dynamic Handling). MSRP comes around $50k. Me and my wife are not interested in any additional selections/options.

Then yesterday we decided to at least test drive the 17 Q7. For the Q7 we are interested in the most basic/standard package. It comes very well optioned (standard) when compared to X3/X5. MSRP comes around $55k. Luckily the model we test drove was the basic model with very few options. It's fast but definitely not as agile and fun as the X3 due to the extra mass etc but still pretty nimble/good for a big suv. Wife loves the upscale interior and additional space.

Discounts on the Q7 are very low as it is very new. X3 has good discounts but in few months they will bring out the brand new redesign. Therefore the final out the door price difference will be more then $5k. I am guessing around 8k or 9k.

Heart says X3. Fun to drive. Nimble, love the engine sound.

Brain says Q7. Brand new redesign, more space, upscale interior, not a huge price difference.

Can you guys give me your thoughts? Super confused

How is the reliability of the supercharged V6 in Q7?
I looked at the Q7 and spoke to a friend who is an Audi dealer and to fully enjoy this car and all the cool new features like the Vision Package, you will need to get the Premium Plus and then go from there. I also don't think the X3 vs Q7 is a fair comparison, think it is more of a X3 vs Q5, X5 vs Q7.

but of course if you say you do not want any other options and could be content with their 55,000 MSRP base model then go for it. Also yea the new X3 redesign from what I hear will not be available til Q3 2017.
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Old 02-16-2016, 03:01 PM
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I agree it's not a direct comparison as the sizes are quiet different. I just brought them together for comparison as the options I am shopping for in x3 35i and the base model q7, the price difference is not significant comparing the overall vehicle price.

Also have any of the current x3 35i owners test driven the new q7? I test drove them both but don't have significant behind wheel time with either. Your thoughts?

From the spied G01 pictures, I was under the impression that the new x3 will be coming out as the 2017 model by the year end. Seems like every one else thinks differently. Any sources?
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Old 02-17-2016, 09:48 PM
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For what its worth - the Q7 is obviously much bigger and a vehicle you can grow into with your family. The X3, for comparison sake, is an OLD car. BMW has done a good job keeping it up to date with technology and stuff, and it is still the best driving ute in this segment (besides the Macaan). If I were you, and have the option of waiting, I would really wait to see what the new X3 or Q5 is like. Or even the Jag F-Pace. They are all going to be winners. Expect the new X3 to be MUCH more luxurious on the inside, and the Q5 to be a Macaan derivative so expect that to handle and drive much better than the outgoing model.

The Q7 is an excellent vehicle and honestly, given the price, I see no reason NOT to get it over the X3. Its not going to drive as well as the X3, but it surely offers more for the money.

The biggest hit you will take if you buy the current X3 is when the new X3 lands - there will be significant improvements in almost every single area of the vehicle, especially luxury, tech, and interior space, that you can expect resale to take a big hit on the outgoing model and you will be kicking yourself.
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Old 02-17-2016, 09:51 PM
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In case you missed this thread

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=880861

and also - for interior shots,

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/11/19/20...play-and-more/

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Old 02-18-2016, 07:09 AM
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:34 AM
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If you want a nice big luxurious SUV, go with the Q7. If you like some of the features on the X3 based on the price range you listed then go with that. I do think the X3 could be a little more luxurious inside. that is one of my nitpicks on the car.So since the features don't seem to matter to you, I would lean towards Q7 at this point.
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Old 02-18-2016, 02:47 PM
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Thanks a lot guys for all the responses and insights.
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Old 02-19-2016, 04:25 AM
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Drive a Porsche Macan before settling.
Totally agree - The Macan (especially the S) just a great SUV. BTW I love my '13 x3. Although I'm sure it's a fine car, I just wouldn't buy a brand new model in it's first year (Q7) of production. Let them iron the kinks out.
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Old 02-19-2016, 06:01 AM
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Just to play devil's advocate, I've not read anything bad about the Macan but it does have smaller cargo space than the X3 and the price starts quite a bit more than the X3. Apparently the cost rises even faster than BMW with options.

Also, if you're looking to buy used you're out of luck with the Macan. The local dealer has few in inventory, prices start at about $70K, and there are no discounts to be had.

I like cars but I'm also a bit of a cheapskate. I have other things to spend my money on, like guitars and fly-fishing gear...
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Just to play devil's advocate, I've not read anything bad about the Macan but it does have smaller cargo space than the X3 and the price starts quite a bit more than the X3. Apparently the cost rises even faster than BMW with options.

Also, if you're looking to buy used you're out of luck with the Macan. The local dealer has few in inventory, prices start at about $70K, and there are no discounts to be had.

I like cars but I'm also a bit of a cheapskate. I have other things to spend my money on, like guitars and fly-fishing gear...
As much as I really love my x3, I think there is no better mid-sized SUV out there than the Macan. I've had 2 Porsches and there really is no finer car. Dealers here are discounting Macans - can get a reasonably equipped one for around $65K - no question, more money than the x3, but given the choice I'd buy a new Macan. Having just bought a new Boxster S, that is not in the cards. I was very lucky to have found my x3 and think it's a great car.
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The Macan is a cramped up SUV, cars in its class are GLA 45 AMG (which I would own over the Macan) and the X4.
Don't know why people bring up the Macan when OP is asking about X3 35 or Q7.. My vote is X3 !

Now that the X4 M40i is out, it will be giving all Macan owners a run for their money which already the X4 35i was.
http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/02/17/fi...6-bmw-x4-m40i/

Cant wait to take delivery of mine next month!

PS... all Macan drivers I see on the streets are 50yr old+ grandmothers (no offense)
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The Q7 looks huge like a bus ha!! We can certainly fit a lot of golf and soccer balls in there!!
The Macan S is of course damn nice too. Almost bought one too but the ones in stock didn't have the options that I wanted, and didn't wish to wait for a custom order.
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The Macan is a cramped up SUV, cars in its class are GLA 45 AMG (which I would own over the Macan) and the X4.
Don't know why people bring up the Macan when OP is asking about X3 35 or Q7.. My vote is X3 !

Now that the X4 M40i is out, it will be giving all Macan owners a run for their money which already the X4 35i was.
http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/02/17/fi...6-bmw-x4-m40i/

Cant wait to take delivery of mine next month!

PS... all Macan drivers I see on the streets are 50yr old+ grandmothers (no offense)
2 reasons to take the Macan over any BMW SUV: Haldex AWD and PDK transmission.
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2 reasons to take the Macan over any BMW SUV: Haldex AWD and PDK transmission.
Can you get it please?
So we can compare it with my M40i next month ?

It'll be a great review! for everyone on both sides

Already saw the X4 35i out-perform in every category the Porsche Macan in the winter review in Europe, faster 1/4 mile, faster 0-60 even with all-season hahaa while Macan had winter tires.
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Can you get it please?
So we can compare it with my M40i next month ?

It'll be a great review! for everyone on both sides

Already saw the X4 35i out-perform in every category the Porsche Macan in the winter review in Europe, faster 1/4 mile, faster 0-60 even with all-season hahaa while Macan had winter tires.
"Though the X4 is a gorgeous car, it’s more of a design statement than a dynamic motoring experience and that disappoints. Underneath it just feels like an X3 with the M Sport pack and that left me wanting for more of an involving driving experience. Excellence Magazine calls the Macan, “the sports car that looks like a compact SUV”; I couldn’t agree more. Though both compact sport-utes could stand to shed some weight. It is the Macan that can manage the weight better. In this comparison, it wasn’t close.

The Macan takes the home the crown."
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