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Old 10-10-2016, 02:16 PM
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e-sys and ista-d 4.x data for programming?

Question: ISTA+ (/D, 4.01.30 being the latest) has a programming mode for Fxx series (ICOM only it seems). I wonder, however, whether pszdata (full) for ISTA/D 4.x can be used for e-Sys flashing, that is compared to the pszdata which comes with ISTA/P? Has anyone tried it yet? Ta.

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The psdzdata that comes from ISTA+ 4.0.1.36 is different (24,683 files) from psdzdata that comes from ISTA-P 3.59.5.000 (24,669 files).
I know some that have programmed with ISTA+ using Psdzdata from ISTA-P. Not sure if anyone has tried using ISTA+ psdzdata to program with E-sys.
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Old 10-10-2016, 03:01 PM
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The psdzdata that comes from ISTA+ 4.0.1.36 is different (24,683 files) from psdzdata that comes from ISTA-P 3.59.5.000 (24,669 files).

I know some that have programmed with ISTA+ using Psdzdata from ISTA-P. Not sure if anyone has tried using ISTA+ psdzdata to program with E-sys.

Can you give ista+ 4.0.1.36 and data download link?
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Old 10-10-2016, 03:12 PM
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I have not programmed any in-car ECUs using ISTA programming data but have flashed and coded NBT and NBT EVO units on the bench using the data and esys without any issues.
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Can you give ista+ 4.0.1.36 and data download link?
Sorry, I do not have a link.
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Old 10-11-2016, 04:43 AM
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The psdzdata that comes from ISTA+ 4.0.1.36 is different (24,683 files) from psdzdata that comes from ISTA-P 3.59.5.000 (24,669 files).
I know some that have programmed with ISTA+ using Psdzdata from ISTA-P. Not sure if anyone has tried using ISTA+ psdzdata to program with E-sys.
What are the 14 extra files in ISTA version?
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What are the 14 extra files in ISTA version?
Not sure. There was a difference is each version of 4.01.x and ISTA-P, but had not checked before what they were. I can check later today with WinMerge.

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Not sure. There was a difference is each version of 4.01.x and ISTA-P, but had not checked before what they were. I can check later today with WinMerge.
Please do, as it would be good to know if they are meaningful or not. I have only ISTA/P version, so I cannot compare myself.

WinMerge is good but I prefer Beyond Compare.
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Please do, as it would be good to know if they are meaningful or not. I have only ISTA/P version, so I cannot compare myself.

WinMerge is good but I prefer Beyond Compare.
Thanks for the tip. I will check out Beyond Compare as well.
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Thanks, interesting. Is the comparison (ISTA+ vs ISTA/P) for the exact same i-level? I guess yes, but I really don't see why otherwise the pszdata would be different...

Btw, using ISTA+ 4.01.30 data I successfully calculated a target SVT and a TAL and the software availability check passed OK. Of course I am now facing the good ole' ZGW flash failure so have to figure out how to flash ZGW without an ICOM to begin with...

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Thanks, interesting. Is the comparison (ISTA+ vs ISTA/P) for the exact same i-level? I guess yes, but I really don't see why otherwise the pszdata would be different...
It is comparison of the September 30th release of ISTA+ 4.01.36 vs ISTA-P 3.59.5.000.
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Old 10-14-2016, 02:25 PM
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OK, I also did the same comparison to have a look myself and have the same findings. In summary (ISTA+ and ISTA-P refer to the psdzdata):

Mainseries - ISTA-D has M013 (bike?), ISTA-P has RR01 (Rolls-Royce Phantom?) instead - contents wise-F10 at least was identical (folder names are different so comparison is not straightforward):
ISTA-P - more bootloaders, more CAFDs
Two different fafps - ISTA-P has one ISTA doesn't, and vice versa
SWFL - mixed bag ISTA has some swfls which ISTA-P doesn't and vice versa

So I *guess* the differences are a result of the different mainseries support (can't be 100% sure though). I *suppose* either set can be used for programming as long as the mainseries is not M013 or RR01. I'll stick with the ISTA-P version though as it has been tested more in the real world. Thanks for all the input!

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Mainseries - ISTA-D has M013 (bike?), ISTA-P has RR01 (Rolls-Royce Phantom?)... I *suppose* either set can be used for programming as long as the mainseries is not M013 or RR01. I'll stick with the ISTA-P version though as it has been tested more in the real world. Thanks for all the input!
One other thing of which to be aware is the location of Psdzdata and with what else it comes packaged. In my case:
  • ISTA-P Location: %:\ISTA-P\BMW\Services\data\ecudata
    • In same directory there are additional files and folders (see image below)
  • ISTA+ Location: %:\Rheingold\PSdZ has four folders (bin, data, data_swi, host)
    • Both "data" and "data_swi" have psdzdata folder.



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RR01 = Rolls-Royce Phantom, RR02 = Phantom Drophead Coupe, RR03 = Phantom Coupe
M013 = Shares ECU's with I3/I8, F45, & F56
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