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Old 01-12-2013, 06:49 PM
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About to pull the trigger on 535i xDrive

Thank you in advance for your input and insight.

My Mercedes C300 lease is up at the end of May so I have been looking for a new car. I drove the 535i xDrive today and I am sold. The MSRP on the car I want is about $65k (tech package, M sport package, cold weather package, multi-contour seats). I still have four remaining payments on my MB at $600/month so BMW offered to do the following:

- Let me build the exact car I want and have it delivered in 8 weeks
- Take over the MB lease for the final two payments
- I pay sales tax and all fees up front for a total of about $5k down
- Monthly payment is $700 per month for 36 months
- 10k miles per annum (all I need based on commute, other cars, etc)

Based on what I have seen either online or at other BMW dealerships, this seems like a pretty good deal. Can anyone confirm that this price is competitive before I let er rip?

Additionally, the wife and I have agreed on jet black for the exterior. I was leaning towards black dakota leather but she wants cinnamon brown dakota leather for the interior. I haven't seen the cinnamon brown in person. Does anyone have this interior (or have seen it) and what is your feedback?

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Old 01-12-2013, 06:59 PM
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Leasing 101.

Need to know:

Purchase price of car (negotiable)
Money Factor (interest rate)
Residual %
Fees.

Ideally, your payment should be negotiated to less than $1000 over invoice. Go to BMWCONFIG.com and click on "configurator" to get the correct invoice price.

Also...look into Multiple Security Deposits. Basically, you put down a month's payment as a fully fundable security deposit and your money factor gets reduced be .0007 (I think).

When you know all that, get back to us. Otherwise, no idea whether it's a good deal or not.

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Old 01-13-2013, 09:03 AM
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Thanks very much for the reply

I used the BMWConfig website and the invoice is actually $58,375 (I double checked the quote and the contour seats were not included making MSRP $63,245). The dealer told me the residual value is 63%. He didn't mention if it was 63% of MSRP or invoice. The dealer said there are upfront fees of about $2k. I don't know the interest rate but I assume it is relatively the same across the board. I have been looking at leasetrader to see what other people are trying to get out of and I haven't seen any monthly payments below $750 for comparably configured cars. I think the deal is pretty solid but I am going to see if I can get them to throw in a spoiler for good measure.

I have black on black now so I think I am going to give the cinnamon a shot.

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Old 01-13-2013, 09:14 AM
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Thanks very much for the reply

I used the BMWConfig website and the invoice is actually $58,375 (I double checked the quote and the contour seats were not included making MSRP $63,245). The dealer told me the residual value is 63%. He didn't mention if it was 63% of MSRP or invoice. The dealer said there are upfront fees of about $2k. I don't know the interest rate but I assume it is relatively the same across the board. I have been looking at leasetrader to see what other people are trying to get out of and I haven't seen any monthly payments below $750 for comparably configured cars. I think the deal is pretty solid but I am going to see if I can get them to throw in a spoiler for good measure.

I have black on black now so I think I am going to give the cinnamon a shot.

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63% of MSRP. Lease residual is always calculated from MSRP. Try this thread in Bimmerfest to understand the in and out of leasing.. Money factor change every month so you need to find some website that disclose it or head to Edmund forum in their lease section for some answer. For 3yrs/12k mi 63K 535 for $750 seems to be in the ball park. You can use multiple deposit (max of 7 deposit) to lower your payment by 50-60 a month..

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60089
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:21 AM
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It has been discussed overhere not a couple of times.
But why buy a X?
Get yourself a RWD 535 and use dedicated winter and summer tyres.
SAT, Comfort seats and a thicker than standard steeringwheel are the most important extras.
The rest, well you can burn money just as you like, a lot of the hightech electronics are gimmicks, leave them out....
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:24 PM
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Hey Brooks, I'm in the same boat. But my payments came out to $748/ month with 15k miles a yr at 36 months. Same build as yours.. well almost, mine came out to $67,920. I'am getting it at $62,000. I haven't pulled the trigger yet, because I have an Altima that's up in May. Mine will have to be ordered also. Oh, I forgot.. No money down, just taxes, Dmv fee, first payment, and aq fee of $725.

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Old 01-13-2013, 03:42 PM
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It has been discussed overhere not a couple of times.
But why buy a X?
Get yourself a RWD 535 and use dedicated winter and summer tyres.
SAT, Comfort seats and a thicker than standard steeringwheel are the most important extras.
The rest, well you can burn money just as you like, a lot of the hightech electronics are gimmicks, leave them out....
Why do you think he should get a RWD over a X?
OP lives in New Jersey! The X is superior in the winter than a RWD. Also, it's most likely that for every 10 f10's in the dealer lot, only 1 would be RWD. If he ever wanted to get rid of his car or even get his lease taken over, chances of anyone looking at a RWD in Jersery are 1%.
I think the Msport has the thicker steering wheel anyhow..
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:58 PM
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Hey Brooks, I'm in the same boat. But my payments came out to $748/ month with 15k miles a yr at 36 months. Same build as yours.. well almost, mine came out to $67,920. I'am getting it at $62,000. I haven't pulled the trigger yet, because I have an Altima that's up in May. Mine will have to be ordered also. Oh, I forgot.. No money down, just taxes, Dmv fee, first payment, and aq fee of $725.

Your deal seems better than mine lol. What is the total of taxes, DMV fee, first payment and acquisition fee? I am coming out of pocket $5k at signing but it will cover all of those things.

I e-mailed the sales rep and asked him for some add'l facts related to the lease to confirm the terms. I might see if there is any wiggle room in either the up front cash or the payment. I am also looking into the multiple deposit program. If it will lower the payment by $50 per month that's $1,800 over the lease term ($50 x 36 months). If they return all of the money at the end the $1,800 savings on $4,900 they are holding is a massive return (much better than I am getting in a money market account!)

I don't plan on doing multiple wheel set-ups (winter/summer) so the X is a much easier way to go for me.
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Old 01-13-2013, 04:08 PM
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Does anyone know if the 20" 2013 M5 style 343 wheels and tires will fit the 535i xDrive without any issues? Has anyone seen a 5 series with this set-up?
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:52 PM
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Does anyone know if the 20" 2013 M5 style 343 wheels and tires will fit the 535i xDrive without any issues? Has anyone seen a 5 series with this set-up?
That's a random question...

I'm sure they "might", but why?

As per your initial question, I'm really shady on any lease that asks you to put a great deal of cash down at the onset. Sales tax and up front fees of $5k? Sounds a bit much, but unless you bring the financial numbers to the table (as Needsdecaf suggested). Likely your monthly rate is lower than what's on leaserate because of how much money you are bringing to the table to buy down the payment.

My gut tells me that you told the CA what your target monthly payment is and they crafted this up to meet it. From my experience (which could be wrong), those aren't great deals.
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That's a random question...

I'm sure they "might", but why?

As per your initial question, I'm really shady on any lease that asks you to put a great deal of cash down at the onset. Sales tax and up front fees of $5k? Sounds a bit much, but unless you bring the financial numbers to the table (as Needsdecaf suggested). Likely your monthly rate is lower than what's on leaserate because of how much money you are bringing to the table to buy down the payment.

My gut tells me that you told the CA what your target monthly payment is and they crafted this up to meet it. From my experience (which could be wrong), those aren't great deals.
This.

$2k in "fees" is crap.

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Old 01-13-2013, 06:14 PM
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I e-mailed the sales rep for the following:

What is the money factor?
What will buy out be at the end of the lease term?
I computed an invoice of $58,375 based on the configuration (invoice
not MSRP) so what is my actual purchase price of the car?
What are the upfront fees and sales tax that I will be paying?

He should get back to me tomorrow and I will provide an update.

I asked about the M5 rims because I have a client looking to sell a set for a good price. If they fit I would purchase them and change the 351M wheels the car comes with. I assume they would fit but will make sure before purchasing.

Thanks again
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:22 PM
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Thanks very much for the reply

I used the BMWConfig website and the invoice is actually $58,375 (I double checked the quote and the contour seats were not included making MSRP $63,245). The dealer told me the residual value is 63%. He didn't mention if it was 63% of MSRP or invoice. The dealer said there are upfront fees of about $2k. I don't know the interest rate but I assume it is relatively the same across the board. I have been looking at leasetrader to see what other people are trying to get out of and I haven't seen any monthly payments below $750 for comparably configured cars. I think the deal is pretty solid but I am going to see if I can get them to throw in a spoiler for good measure.

I have black on black now so I think I am going to give the cinnamon a shot.

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If you are not familiar with the basics of leasing, as suggested by your question on whether residuals are based on MSRP or invoice, you really owe it to yourself to understand it. Otherwise you may get by this time via help on this forum, but you will be ripped off every subsequent purchase/lease the rest of your life.

Here's a very quick primer: CLICK

Here are what the taxes and fees in NJ should look like (you would either pay upfront or roll it into the payment, but not both):

Sales Tax: 7% of the lease payments
Luxury surcharge: 0.4% of the selling price or gross cap cost
Reg, Title & License: ~$260
BMW Financial Services LAF (Lease Acq Fee aka Bank Fee): $725
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:37 PM
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Only my second lease so I am not very versed on the calculations.

Thanks for the link, once I have the additional information from the dealership I will be able to ascertain how "good" the terms offered really are.

Appreciate the assistance.
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Your deal seems better than mine lol. What is the total of taxes, DMV fee, first payment and acquisition fee? I am coming out of pocket $5k at signing but it will cover all of those things.

I e-mailed the sales rep and asked him for some add'l facts related to the lease to confirm the terms. I might see if there is any wiggle room in either the up front cash or the payment. I am also looking into the multiple deposit program. If it will lower the payment by $50 per month that's $1,800 over the lease term ($50 x 36 months). If they return all of the money at the end the $1,800 savings on $4,900 they are holding is a massive return (much better than I am getting in a money market account!)

I don't plan on doing multiple wheel set-ups (winter/summer) so the X is a much easier way to go for me.
$4500 drive off..That includes..
$748 first month
$725 bank fee
$300 DMV Fee
$299 Doc Fee
$2424 Taxes

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Old 01-13-2013, 07:49 PM
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What is "bank fee?" That seems bogus. Also, no need to pre-pay taxes (unless your state forces you to). In most states, you pay tax on a monthly basis and the tax is based on the monthly payment (because you are taxed on the depreciation, not the full price).

A doc fee of $299 is fine as long as you know it is straight dealer profit and not required and you are getting the vehicle within about $400 of invoice before any incentives are applied.

DMV is whatever it is in your state to register so it is unavoidable.

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Ah, bank fee is the BMW fee and yeah that is required, but I had that rolled into the lease.

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Also, no need to pre-pay taxes (unless your state forces you to). In most states, you pay tax on a monthly basis and the tax is based on the monthly payment (because you are taxed on the depreciation, not the full price).
NY and NJ both tax upfront.
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NY and NJ both tax upfront.
It's not mandatory, but I choose to pay upfront.
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It's not mandatory, but I choose to pay upfront.
I'm pretty sure it is, hence your choices are to pay upfront or capitalize it into the lease.
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Thank you in advance for your input and insight.

My Mercedes C300 lease is up at the end of May so I have been looking for a new car. I drove the 535i xDrive today and I am sold. The MSRP on the car I want is about $65k (tech package, M sport package, cold weather package, multi-contour seats). I still have four remaining payments on my MB at $600/month so BMW offered to do the following:

- Let me build the exact car I want and have it delivered in 8 weeks
- Take over the MB lease for the final two payments
- I pay sales tax and all fees up front for a total of about $5k down
- Monthly payment is $700 per month for 36 months
- 10k miles per annum (all I need based on commute, other cars, etc)

Based on what I have seen either online or at other BMW dealerships, this seems like a pretty good deal. Can anyone confirm that this price is competitive before I let er rip?

Additionally, the wife and I have agreed on jet black for the exterior. I was leaning towards black dakota leather but she wants cinnamon brown dakota leather for the interior. I haven't seen the cinnamon brown in person. Does anyone have this interior (or have seen it) and what is your feedback?

Looking forward to your responses

Brook - Listen to decaf and don't post pieces. Here is what you should post, and feel free to copy and paste into your next post.

MSRP - (on your build)
Invoice Price- (BMWconfig invoice price on your build)
Sales Price before Incentives - (What is the sales price of the car?)
Incentives - (Are they applying any incentives)
Final Sales Price - (What is the sales price after applying the incentives)
Money factor -
Aq Fee -
Dealer Fees -
Taxes (if paid up front)
Total Due at signing.
Final payment without taxes

Give all the details in one concise post and the festers will help!
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I am not sure if it is a good deal, it wasn't a good deal a month ago though...I got in the last minute for the $2,000 holiday credit and my car that is being built.

MSRP: $66,895
Invoice is $61,700.
Selling price: $61,800
39 month lease
12,000 miles/year
$665/month payment
Money factor: 0.00125
residual is 58%
Drive off: $3,790.50. (includes taxes and all fees)


So your $748/month for less miles IMHO seems high granted I am saving $2,000 but also your MSRP is a lot lower. I will let others decide if the deal you are getting is good but I don't know seems high no?
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I am not sure if it is a good deal, it wasn't a good deal a month ago though...I got in the last minute for the $2,000 holiday credit and my car that is being built.

MSRP: $66,895
Invoice is $61,700.
Selling price: $61,800
39 month lease
12,000 miles/year
$665/month payment
Money factor: 0.00125
residual is 58%
Drive off: $3,790.50. (includes taxes and all fees)


So your $748/month for less miles IMHO seems high granted I am saving $2,000 but also your MSRP is a lot lower. I will let others decide if the deal you are getting is good but I don't know seems high no?
Well my MSRP is actually higher than your. I also have it for less time, and more miles than you do. And for every thousand it adds $30 to the monthly payment.
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Well my MSRP is actually higher than your. I also have it for less time, and more miles than you do. And for every thousand it adds $30 to the monthly payment.
Ahh sorry I confused your car with the one Brooks first mention which had an msrp of around $65,000.

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Ahh sorry I confused your car with the one Brooks first mention which had an msrp of around $65,000.

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