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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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So you have to purchase your dates ? Hmm

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So you have to purchase your dates ? Hmm

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Regarding the 335i, your guess is as good as mine. One way to look at this is that the 4 Series is a step up line as well. So perhaps the 335i will only be available in the 4 and not the 3. You never know.

$4,000 is a big deal as is $33,000 price point. Cadillac has its Buick. Acura has its Honda. Lexus has its Toyota. BMW has no step-down brand so it has to do the heavy lifting itself. What I thought might be the 2 Series sedan may never happen now. What would that cost, $25,000?

Very interesting indeed.

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I thought MINI is a BMW step down brand.
That may have been the intent but I have yet to see anyone make the walk of shame from BMW to the Mini store when they realize they can't afford a 328...they usually do the step down to Lexus and Infiniti (and make themselves feel better for not having to be seen in a Toyota or Nissan).
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I thought MINI is a BMW step down brand.
Family of 4 in a Mini?

It's a college girl car.

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you can get staggered 18's summer tires on a 320i(sport pkg) but cant get them on a 328 or 335(sport line) lulz
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It's a college girl car.

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College girls drive E90 and F30 328i(s). Drive into a college parking lot sometime and see for yourself.
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you can get staggered 18's summer tires on a 320i(sport pkg) but cant get them on a 328 or 335(sport line) lulz
Wonder if it gets the m-sport's pads as well since it gets the steering and short throw shifter.

Overall I think it'll add a lot more confusion to the buying process.
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you can get staggered 18's summer tires on a 320i(sport pkg) but cant get them on a 328 or 335(sport line) lulz
I have not looked at the options list for the 320i yet, but I would keep it simple on the options. Get an iPod connection and blue tooth, save money by not getting the GPS, and put the savings into decent sport wheels/tire combo, and, see if BMW could install a dual exhaust at the port.

I would definitely not get a leather interior. Keep it simple and fun.
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I have not looked at the options list for the 320i yet, but I would keep it simple on the options. Get an iPod connection and blue tooth, save money by not getting the GPS, and put the savings into decent sport wheels/tire combo, and, see if BMW could install a dual exhaust at the port.

I would definitely not get a leather interior. Keep it simple and fun.
i would have to get leather, my ass sweats like crazy.

My sister is ready to get out of her e90, i will have to tell her about this. she doesn't need more power.
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you can get staggered 18's summer tires on a 320i(sport pkg) but cant get them on a 328 or 335(sport line) lulz
ALso, the sport pack is $300 less on F30 320i xDrive. It must be the lack of M sport suspension.

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I know how much you like to make everything about the ATS, but be real. The thing isn't selling. It's a pig. A pig for 80 year old women.
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First off, based on the recent ATS driver survey, the average age of the ATS drivers is lower than that of the 3 series drivers. Of course facts never get in your way.

If in a few month ATS sales goes 5k+, you eat your words, if it stays at below 3k, I eat my words. Anywhere between 3k and 5k, we both have not much to say.

The question is not if you might have to eat your words, or if I might eat mine, we both have that risk, the question is, how lucky do you feel when you place your bet.

Just be glad BMW is not taking any chances. If they had fanboys like you making plans for them, they'd be eating dust by now.

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ALso, the sport pack is $300 less on F30 320i xDrive. It must be the lack of M sport suspension.

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M sport suspension is included in the sport pack.
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That makes a lot of sense, and as enthusiast I can see why you're pleased that BMW is headed in this direction.

But there's a word of caution and it's a pretty big one. And that is that back 20 years ago if you bought a 3 Series you got the legendary tight sporty handling as standard equipment. ... You want that legendary sporty ride, you have to pay for it. Pay a lot for it, in fact.
Ah. Yes. But. You will note I did not mention anything about tight sporty handling, and certainly not as an opposite quality to a comfortable ride. As captainaudio has pointed out on many occasions, we can have both and we expect BMW (and by extension, a BMW) to deliver--but that's somewhat beside my point.

We've been in the midst of an automotive arms race of sorts for the last decade or more. The basic standards of safety, maneuverability and efficiency are now so high--and have been for a while--that manufacturers pile on near-ridiculous levels of gadgetry, horsepower and luxury (soft-close doors, anyone? heated/cooled cup holders?) simply to keep trumping the competition. In the US at least, the focus seems to have become pitching to the buyer how you have more stuff than Brand X, not how you are different from Brand X.

The problem is that among the premium brands, all three attributes have been escalating more or less in lockstep. The 3er (any BMW, really) is bigger and more luxurious and more powerful and more gadget-laden than its predecessors (and "lesser" cars, whatever those are)...when all it really needs to be, to justify that price and carry the torch of the BMW brand, is better: Better to drive. Day in, day out, in widely varying conditions and applications. Not necessarily faster, or quicker, or sharper-handling, or cushier or prettier or even more tech-laden, but better balanced. Easy to control. Forgiving to an indifferent driver, responsive to an enthusiast. Not fatiguing on long trips. In short, the Ultimate Driving Machine--not in the sense of being dominant over all others, but in being your most likely pick if you could only choose one.

The failed "Joy" ad campaign tried to convey that. The German tagline, »Freude am Fahren« didn't quite translate but that's what it's really about. That's what I mean by getting back to the roots. I think there is room to strip away some of the beat-the-other-guy "moreness" and re-expose the core attributes of a BMW to a wider audience. It will still cost more, it will still be aspirational, it will still be hard to explain to someone who's never owned one why you go bonkers for it, why it's worth the price...but more buyers will be able to find out for themselves.

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I don't expect it to be a great time selling them. It's bad enough now trying to configure/order cars for stock with all of the lines and packages. The combinations number in the thousands. And now, were going to add a whole 'nother car to the mix? Just imagine trying to sell from stock...

It used to be so much easier. It is brutal nowadays. And with the current glut of inventory, and all of these offerings, combined with buyers who are unwilling to wait 60-90 days for a custom order, and selling for invoice or less.
That does temper my enthusiasm for a broader line somewhat. It's a shame BMW's efforts to entice/force/retrain US buyers to prefer custom orders over buying from stock do not seem to be working.

One thought, though: Compared the E46, I can easily point out a half-dozen or more small changes in the E90 and F30 that give direct evidence of BMW NA's struggle to hold the 3er at a competitive price point. I am sure there are more that escaped my notice. Despite the sales volumes, it seems the cars have been creeping too far upmarket for their own good. Perhaps a new entry-level model within the Series will offset that trend. As another poster noted, it seems to be working for the 5 Series.

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Meet the Mercedes Benz CLA Class. A $30,000 4-door entry level German luxury sedan. ... I don't know, might be that the Germans are going after each other, not really caring at all about the failing sad American wannabe.
That is a fine-looking car...except for those enormous scoops. Is this the new styling trend for sporty sedans--intakes that can engulf armadillos whole? Seems rather unnecessary, especially here in the Northeast where we have no armadillos, only raccoons, 'possums and skunks. All that fur just gums up the works, and I'm sure I needn't elaborate on skunks.
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I don't expect it to be a great time selling them. It's bad enough now trying to configure/order cars for stock with all of the lines and packages. The combinations number in the thousands. And now, were going to add a whole 'nother car to the mix? Just imagine trying to sell from stock...

It used to be so much easier. It is brutal nowadays. And with the current glut of inventory, and all of these offerings, combined with buyers who are unwilling to wait 60-90 days for a custom order, and selling for invoice or less. The caliber of qualified CA's is sure to continue to drop.
320i will be the volume seller as long as it's stocked; if it's just a come on car then that'll piss off buyer. Most people don't need or want the power of the 328i (let alone 335i). This car appeals to directly why most people buy the 3 series in the first place: branding.

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That may have been the intent but I have yet to see anyone make the walk of shame from BMW to the Mini store when they realize they can't afford a 328...they usually do the step down to Lexus and Infiniti (and make themselves feel better for not having to be seen in a Toyota or Nissan).
If you can't afford a 328 you very likely can't afford a Lexus. Both Lexus entry level models (the ES and the IS) have base MSRPs very close to the price of a base 328 ($36,100 and $35,065 respectively) and several thousand dollars higher than the new 320. If you check all the option boxes the BMW will have a higher MSRP. The other two Lexus Sedans (GS and LS) begin in price above where the 328 ends so I doubt too many drivers of $85,000 Lexus LS are ashamed that they are not being seen in a BMW 328. If your motivation for choosing BMW over Lexus is that you simply want a Roundel on the car if you can afford a Lexus you can afford a BMW. The same holds true with Infiniti whose sedans start at $37,000.

Mini is a completely different type of car and I doubt too many people are cross shopping them with either BMW, Infiniti or Lexus.

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I don't think there will be a 1 Series Sedan. Doubt highly that BMW wants a competing $30,000 Sedan to the 320i or to create a trashy $25,000 pricepoint. Methinks the dream of a 1 Series Sedan with E46 dimensions isn't happening. I think the 320i is it.

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It'll be a 2 series gran coupe - and it'll likely cost as much or more than a 320i. BMW will sell a lot of them.
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One compelling feature the 320i offers, a Sport Package. Any word if we're going to see this being offered throughout all of the Lines?
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One compelling feature the 320i offers, a Sport Package. Any word if we're going to see this being offered throughout all of the Lines?
There is a sport package. It's the sport line. Plus, you can get DHP on all the lines already. This gives you the sport suspension and more.

I really dont see them negating the sport line or the line concept in general by offering a redundant sport package anytime in the near future. Unless they drop the lines altogether for the 328 and 335, which seems doubtful.

The big question is the M steering wheel. Will that be available on the sport line in the future?

Getting the M steering wheel as part of the sport package is a huge win for the 320 folks.
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I thought MINI is a BMW step down brand.
MINI isn't really a step down brand from a BMW.

MINI caters to a small, specialized niche market.
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College girls drive E90 and F30 328i(s). Drive into a college parking lot sometime and see for yourself.
Not sure if you're saying this just to get under BJ's skin or you really think this, but...

The fact that I have a daughter going to college that has tons of friends in college, and have recently visited dozens of colleges as part of the process of deciding where she goes to college makes me somewhat of an expert.

I can assure you that 99% of young college women don't drive an e90, F30 328 or a MINI. Pick any campus at all that has thousands of young women, and I think you would be very hard pressed to find a dozen F30 328s in any parking lot. Will you find 1 or 2? Yes, maybe.
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College girls drive E90 and F30 328i(s). Drive into a college parking lot sometime and see for yourself.
If I was a parent with a kid going to college I'd be all over the 320. It's perfect for them IMO, reliable, affordable, and too fast.

The 320 sounds like a good move, the CLA looks really nice (nicer than the F30 to look at, doubt it'll drive as well).

Driving a 3 series has become like flying premium economy, it's really just economy with a few bells and whistles.
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