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If I was a parent with a kid going to college I'd be all over the 320. It's perfect for them IMO, reliable, affordable, and too fast.
Thanks for the input, but I am not going to be buying either one of my college kids a 320.

Well, maybe I shouldn't say that. Perhaps I can offer up a 320 and bribe my son into going to a state school instead. It would actually save me money in the long run.
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If I was a parent with a kid going to college I'd be all over the 320. It's perfect for them IMO, reliable, affordable, and too fast.
The prices on used E90's are dropping like a stone.

My son turns 16 in 2015 and by then I'll be able to get him a 2011 E90 328i for like $500. My daughter will be 10 by then, I might get a second one just to throw in the backyard for her to play with, park it next to the jungle gym.

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Old 01-16-2013, 06:15 AM
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Driving a 3 series has become like flying premium economy, it's really just economy with a few bells and whistles.
Perhaps the new 320i for $30,000 or a stripper 328i for $36,000.

But put $50,000 into it, strictly business class.

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Perhaps the new 320i for $30,000 or a stripper 328i for $36,000.

But put $50,000 into it, strictly business class.

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I played with the configurator last night, and the bare minimum I could build a 320i for was $40,065 (no Premium package, but almost everything else). A similar equipped I4 Accord is $30,785.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:05 AM
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Its a good move by BMW. It is very reasonably priced and certainly not slow compared to the competition. This car will be competing against the ATS 2.5, TSX/ILX, C250, IS250, base Q50, some Buicks and so on. Besides a simple software update would put this thing at well over 200 WHP, which IMO is more than plenty.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:06 AM
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I played with the configurator last night, and the bare minimum I could build a 320i for was $40,065 (no Premium package, but almost everything else). A similar equipped I4 Accord is $30,785.
Yep, a nicely equipped 320 is above the TSX and ILX in terms of market segment, which places it quite a bit above a Honda Accord.

Of course leasing a stipped down version is always an option, but I personally don't think that really counts...
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There is a sport package. It's the sport line. Plus, you can get DHP on all the lines already. This gives you the sport suspension and more.

I really dont see them negating the sport line or the line concept in general by offering a redundant sport package anytime in the near future. Unless they drop the lines altogether for the 328 and 335, which seems doubtful.

The big question is the M steering wheel. Will that be available on the sport line in the future?

Getting the M steering wheel as part of the sport package is a huge win for the 320 folks.
Not to be confused with the Sport and the M Sport Line the 320i offers a cosmetic Sports Package for $1000/$1300 which offers features like sports seats, M Sport steering wheel, sport suspension and a black headliner.
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Will the optional Sport Package currently an option on the 320i be offered on the Base and Luxury and Modern Lines as it is in the UK and Europe?
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:30 AM
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I played with the configurator last night, and the bare minimum I could build a 320i for was $40,065 (no Premium package, but almost everything else). A similar equipped I4 Accord is $30,785.
....well done.

And there you have it. While still inexpensive by BMW standards, the 320i is still a German luxury car bestowed with all the status and envy befitting it's older 3 Series siblings.

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Not sure if you're saying this just to get under BJ's skin or you really think this, but...

The fact that I have a daughter going to college that has tons of friends in college, and have recently visited dozens of colleges as part of the process of deciding where she goes to college makes me somewhat of an expert.

I can assure you that 99% of young college women don't drive an e90, F30 328 or a MINI. Pick any campus at all that has thousands of young women, and I think you would be very hard pressed to find a dozen F30 328s in any parking lot. Will you find 1 or 2? Yes, maybe.
My son graduated from UF within 3 years ago and there were tons of 3 Series BMWs. Hell, our HS parking lot is loaded with them.
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:28 AM
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....well done.

And there you have it. While still inexpensive by BMW standards, the 320i is still a German luxury car bestowed with all the status and envy befitting it's older 3 Series siblings.

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The difference is, many less fortunate who could only afford a CPO E90 before, can now drive the same car you drive, your manservant can be one of them.

Time to think about getting a 5 or 7. Some of the smart members here got their 535s at the same payment you got your L328i. How else you satisfy your neighbors' judgment but to move up the food chain?
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My son graduated from UF within 3 years ago and there were tons of 3 Series BMWs. Hell, our HS parking lot is loaded with them.
Same with our high school here. There are numerous kids that have them. We live in a spoiled rich kid community. But even so, there's a difference between some kids have them vs most kids have them

I alos know a college girl that drives a 328, but that doesn't mean all college girls drive a 328, and that a 328 is a college girl car.
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Same with our high school here. There are numerous kids that have them. We live in a spoiled rich kid community. But even so, there's a difference between some kids have them vs most kids have them

I alos know a college girl that drives a 328, but that doesn't mean all college girls drive a 328, and that a 328 is a college girl car.
My daughter had a VW Jetta and my son had a Subaru WRX in HS and college. Both cars were rated as very safe for their class which was my primary goal for their transportation. Both cars also held up extremely well throughout their school years.

I didn't say most college girls drive 3 Series BMWs. I said that there are many in the college campuses that I visited with my kids and also saw when I went to many college football games. My son's girlfriend and most of her sorority drove BMWs. There is a university in Boca Raton, FL where I am an advisor. 25%+ of the cars are 3 Series BMWs (including some M3s). I am shocked everytime I visit the campus.
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I played with the configurator last night, and the bare minimum I could build a 320i for was $40,065 (no Premium package, but almost everything else). A similar equipped I4 Accord is $30,785.
of course this is true if you select almost every option, and you assume someone is paying MSRP.

If you go easy on the options, and do a $500-$1,000 over invoice deal, or even better Euro Delivery, the lease/buy payment would be very low.

You can also easily option up a 328 to $50k.
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The big question is the M steering wheel. Will that be available on the sport line in the future?

Getting the M steering wheel as part of the sport package is a huge win for the 320 folks.
No heated steering with M wheel.
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My daughter had a VW Jetta and my son had a Subaru WRX in HS and college. Both cars were rated as very safe for their class which was my primary goal for their transportation. Both cars also held up extremely well throughout their school years.

I didn't say most college girls drive 3 Series BMWs. I said that there are many in the college campuses that I visited with my kids and also saw when I went to many college football games. My son's girlfriend and most of her sorority drove BMWs. There is a university in Boca Raton, FL where I am an advisor. 25%+ of the cars are 3 Series BMWs (including some M3s). I am shocked everytime I visit the campus.
The question is, will the kids still like to drive the new 3 series, when it looks more and more like their daddy and mommy's "executive car."
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The question is, will the kids still like to drive the new 3 series, when it looks more and more like their daddy and mommy's "executive car."
I'm thinking they will - badge whores begat badge whores.

But, that new entry level Mercedes just might sway a few too.
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The difference is, many less fortunate who could only afford a CPO E90 before, can now drive the same car you drive, your manservant can be one of them.

Time to think about getting a 5 or 7. Some of the smart members here got their 535s at the same payment you got your L328i. How else you satisfy your neighbors' judgment but to move up the food chain?
Yes, but they were smart.
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Yes, but they were smart.
I see you have a 2012 E350. What is your view on the 2014 E350? I like the fact they finally put the sporty grille on the 4 doors.
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Not true, with the F30 generation.
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of course this is true if you select almost every option, and you assume someone is paying MSRP.

If you go easy on the options, and do a $500-$1,000 over invoice deal, or even better Euro Delivery, the lease/buy payment would be very low.

You can also easily option up a 328 to $50k.
Yeah, but do stripped down versions of 328s and 320s really count?
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I see you have a 2012 E350. What is your view on the 2014 E350? I like the fact they finally put the sporty grille on the 4 doors.
Have to see it in person first, but initial thoughts are that it has an ugly hood shutline just like all the new BMWs, and similarly the 'nose' appears to visually protrude more than it actually does.

The grille-mounted star is a huge pet peeve of mine. For the longest time that was the sole preserve of flagship roadsters and coupes (not even E-class based cabriolets or coupes, only SLs and S-class based coupes). Will see if the traditional hood ornament is available with AMG Sport-packaged cars, but I doubt it. That will be a shame.
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Yeah, but do stripped down versions of 328s and 320s really count?
I think the entire point of this car is to offer a very cheap, BMW.

Lots of people here have posted that they really enjoyed the strippers...

In Europe these are nothing special, and can be had with cloth seats, etc.

It comes standard with bluetooth and other features that were luxury just a few years ago....auto power windows, etc.

I personally have no interest in computers in cars, streaming pandora, email etc.

I can do all of that from my smart phone which gets replaced every two years for a few hundred bucks.

Don't need or want the weight, complexity and cost of those systems in my car.

But BMW is clearly trying to compete on technology, not so much driving experience any more.

Everyone else is doing it too, including Audi, Mercedes, etc. Their ads don't talk about driving so much any more, but more about laser cruise control, email, embrace, traffic, checking weather etc.

There is one reason why they are loving this....PROFIT.

The computers/touchscreens etc automakers put into cars, which are comparable to really an iPad....with weather, gps, traffic, streaming music, etc. cost you thousands of dollars when incorporated into the car....HUGE PROFIT.

Same goes for blind spot, HUD, laser cruise control, all around cameras, yada yada.

This is all now "luxury"
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No HK available...
I also noticed that on the configurator. This is a curious omission, since I think buyers in the target market for the 320i (younger than the current 3-Series buyer) will probably insist on the upgraded Harman Kardon audio.

I am an audiophile, and I doubt I would buy a 320i without the HK.

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I also noticed that on the configurator. This is a curious omission, since I think buyers in the target market for the 320i (younger than the current 3-Series buyer) will probably insist on the upgraded Harman Kardon audio.

I am an audiophile, and I doubt I would buy a 320i without the HK.

They've got to pull out a few options like Driver Assistance Plus and HK, otherwise you'll be able to load up a 320i to $50K. Talk about confusion... a $50K 320i on the lot, and a $40K 328i, right next to it!
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Not to be confused with the Sport and the M Sport Line the 320i offers a cosmetic Sports Package for $1000/$1300 which offers features like sports seats, M Sport steering wheel, sport suspension and a black headliner.
To rephrased the question.
Will the optional Sport Package currently an option on the 320i be offered on the Base and Luxury and Modern Lines as it is in the UK and Europe?
Actually the 320i sport package is very "uncosmetic" and offers all the best sport features, including the lowered sport suspension.
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