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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 01-14-2013, 07:07 PM
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The 335 isn't going anywhere.

The 328 doesn't touch the 335 in regards to performance. I don't care about 60 times and the quarter, however in regards to driving feel, the 328 was laggy and weak, which was the primary reason I went with the 335 over the 328.

This model doesn't make much sense to me either, 4K drop for losing 60HP? I don't get it, but I understand BJs point. It allows those on the fence for a 328, an option to still get into a new BMW. I still say, if you can't afford the 3 series, drop to a 1, or find something else to drive.
the 328 is pretty damn close. And it definitely touches it.
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That's a great point boltja. I'm glad my E90 is a lease!
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:20 PM
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With this $33k BMW 3 series, it will put pressure on the $32k Acura TSX. The TSX has to either improve or lower the price. It will also put pressure on the Audi A4, which used to be only a bit cheaper but now is more expensive than the 320i.
Won't matter, the TSX is going bye, bye. The new, upcoming TLX will be playing in this field when released. It's basically the TL, but they are moving down in size, probably closer to the 3rd gen TL in size, etc. As a Honda/Acura fan, I hope, the present gen TL is a disaster...as is most of Acura, save for the MDX. The laughable ILX won't even be a consideration for most compared to this 320.

That said, I'm quite intrigued by this vehicle. In my mind, it actually may be more fun than my present 335i and more practical for me. 320i Sport with 6speed, don't care about leather, some tech goodies and I'm good to go. You'll also have the usual performance guru's work over the engine with not much trouble. Can't wait to drive...
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:23 PM
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This will be BMW's best-selling 3 Series within two years.

Might also signal the end of the 335i completely. The 328i is only a hair less performance positive than the 335i right now is anyway. The 328i can become the top-of-the-line, the 320i the new bottom.

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Old 01-14-2013, 08:00 PM
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Several years ago I rented on business a 3 Series in Germany with the 1.8l gas engine and 5 or 6 speed manual transmission, cloth seats, manually adjustable, with basically no options. It was a rental etc. i wasn't comparing this to any other car just driving around on my commute and making the most of the car on the windy roads etc. The car was a figging blast, loved it! Just a basic BMW with a small engine. But it was fun and that was all that mattered. And to someone on a lower budget this is why the 320 can do well.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:17 PM
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Yeah, but what are dealers STOCKING.

Big player here, Paul Miller Audi, 39 A4's on the site, ALL Quattro, lowest MSRP $36k and change.
Perhaps it's a regional thing. Boardwalk Audi here in Dallas lists 62 A4s in stock - and only 10 are Quatro. Prices range from $35,085 to $48,770.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:34 PM
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That would make me very sad.
BJ is already looking forward to the future 3 series, when the 320i will be the performance trim, and 303i (3 cylinder version) will be the base 3 series priced at the level of a loaded Civic. Consider yourself lucky for now
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:49 PM
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BJ is already looking forward to the future 3 series, when the 320i will be the performance trim, and 303i (3 cylinder version) will be the base 3 series priced at the level of a loaded Civic. Consider yourself lucky for now
BJ loves his L328i and only wants to see BMW have continued financial success as they reciprocate with the best looking and best handling cars in his segment. The more F30's on the road the better because BJ likes to look at them.

If BMW develops a 2 cylinder car that outperforms the F30 the way the 4 cylinder car outperforms the E90, BJ will be all over it.

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335i lines up nicely against the competitors, e.g. Audi's S4, so 335i probably won't go away. It is interesting to read the headlines that BMW is bringing 320d to US in 2013, this can further expand the market share of F30.
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Several years ago I rented on business a 3 Series in Germany with the 1.8l gas engine and 5 or 6 speed manual transmission, cloth seats, manually adjustable, with basically no options. It was a rental etc. i wasn't comparing this to any other car just driving around on my commute and making the most of the car on the windy roads etc. The car was a figging blast, loved it! Just a basic BMW with a small engine. But it was fun and that was all that mattered. And to someone on a lower budget this is why the 320 can do well.
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:36 PM
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The 335 isn't going anywhere.

The 328 doesn't touch the 335 in regards to performance. I don't care about 60 times and the quarter, however in regards to driving feel, the 328 was laggy and weak, which was the primary reason I went with the 335 over the 328.

This model doesn't make much sense to me either, 4K drop for losing 60HP? I don't get it, but I understand BJs point. It allows those on the fence for a 328, an option to still get into a new BMW. I still say, if you can't afford the 3 series, drop to a 1, or find something else to drive.
Just like with the 335i, the $4K drop will probably include other things...will have to look closer. Maybe power seats and auto dimming mirrors may not be standard, brakes may be smaller (although since weight is the same that is unlikely).

But it's interesting that the sport package has body-colored mirrors and an M-sport wheel! That's better than the 328i and 335i.
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Great, now the school parking lot will be even more flooded with F30s on lease! I wonder how many chicks back home in SFLA fresh out of high school/college will convince their parents to lease them one of these? I wonder if people would still buy a bimmer if they put a lawn mower engine in it?

Honestly though, BMW has some stiff competition on the horizon though:






Check out the Garmin-esque navigation in the CLA. (If you're not checking out something else...)
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That CLA is a great looking car. Is that the new Mercedes entry level model?
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Wait no one else catch a no line with msport interior?!
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Wait no one else catch a no line with msport interior?!
It's not a no-line...it has the sports pack.
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Several years ago I rented on business a 3 Series in Germany with the 1.8l gas engine and 5 or 6 speed manual transmission, cloth seats, manually adjustable, with basically no options. It was a rental etc. i wasn't comparing this to any other car just driving around on my commute and making the most of the car on the windy roads etc. The car was a figging blast, loved it! Just a basic BMW with a small engine. But it was fun and that was all that mattered. And to someone on a lower budget this is why the 320 can do well.
Agree completely.
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I think its VERY funny to all the posters who are concerned about ruining the "status" effect of a 3 series.

Is that why you really bought/leased a BMW?

I surely hope not, now every tom, dick and harry with any sort of job can buy a brand new, stripper BMW for low $30s and get the same dealership, maintenance and warranty experience as you "luxury car" snobs.

But to those who recognize that power isn't everything, this is a great opportunity to avoid paying nearly $50k for what has become a bloated, techno-laden compact car.

You can now get a nicely equipped, i.e. manual trans, xenons, a few other important options....for low $30s.

the deal should be great on euro delivery.
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I think its VERY funny to all the posters who are concerned about ruining the "status" effect of a 3 series.

Is that why you really bought/leased a BMW?

I surely hope not, now every tom, dick and harry with any sort of job can buy a brand new, stripper BMW for low $30s and get the same dealership, maintenance and warranty experience as you "luxury car" snobs.

But to those who recognize that power isn't everything, this is a great opportunity to avoid paying nearly $50k for what has become a bloated, techno-laden compact car.

You can now get a nicely equipped, i.e. manual trans, xenons, a few other important options....for low $30s.

the deal should be great on euro delivery.
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Perhaps it's a regional thing. Boardwalk Audi here in Dallas lists 62 A4s in stock - and only 10 are Quatro. Prices range from $35,085 to $48,770.
It's regional.

The northern half of the country buys the AWD versions. The southern half barely stocks any.
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That CLA is a great looking car. Is that the new Mercedes entry level model?
Yes it is...and I agree. That should sell pretty well, especially at the tad below $30k price it's suppposed to start.
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comon' pony trekker, others have already expressed this idea.

Some people have driven the smaller engine BMWs and loved them.

Gosh, you can even love the car if it doesn't have Pandora and email functionality.

Its no secret that BMW has intentionally changed its marketing recently, and the current F30 is a bit softer and more luxury focused.

Its hard to complain, especially since their salesa are booming, average age of a BMW driver is 48 years old, with more than half women...
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That CLA is a great looking car. Is that the new Mercedes entry level model?
Yes, it will be. And it will surely eat into 320 sales. BMW really screwed up with this model...should have just brought the 320d.
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180 hp is what my old car had, its a downgrade. If this is just a de-tuned engine and a chip will bring back the 240, I may be tempted to get one.
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