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and another thing to remember, this is nothing new, the canadians have had this exact model for a while.

We see them all the time here in detroit, since we are 1/2 hour from Windsor.

Smaller engines have been sold in Canada and every other market in the world for a long time now.
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huh?? No matter what you add to it it will be $4,000 less than an equivalently equipped 328.
Just being being cynical. Does BMWNA really need to offer it's customers the F30/N20? No
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Yes, it will be. And it will surely eat into 320 sales. BMW really screwed up with this model...should have just brought the 320d.
That's on its way also, a bit later.
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I think its VERY funny to all the posters who are concerned about ruining the "status" effect of a 3 series.

Is that why you really bought/leased a BMW?

I surely hope not, now every tom, dick and harry with any sort of job can buy a brand new, stripper BMW for low $30s and get the same dealership, maintenance and warranty experience as you "luxury car" snobs.

But to those who recognize that power isn't everything, this is a great opportunity to avoid paying nearly $50k for what has become a bloated, techno-laden compact car.

You can now get a nicely equipped, i.e. manual trans, xenons, a few other important options....for low $30s.

the deal should be great on euro delivery.
It still has a base MSRP of $33k, which puts it right at the the Acura TSX, Nissan Maxima entry level market segment. So there is still some degree of exclusivity, but it certainly makes it more accessible to a much broader base of folks.
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One more rant regarding the arrival of N20i, plus the other new models coming to the USA, BMW is becoming VW or worse GM!
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:37 AM
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Yes, it will be. And it will surely eat into 320 sales. BMW really screwed up with this model...should have just brought the 320d.
I thought they are bringing the 320d as well.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:41 AM
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Back in the E36 days, not only was there 318i/318is(the equivalent of our 328 now) but there was the 318ti which had even cheaper interior materials, the older trailing arm rear suspension of the E30 and a HATCHBACK to lower the price. In the rest of the world, this continued as there was E46 generations in other countries.
I remember test driving a 318i (e30) back in the late 80s. Cloth seats, basically stripped to the bone, below average sound system, but I absolutely loved it, and unfortunatey, I couldn't afford it either. I ended up buying a Nissan Maxima instead.

Of course, the affordability of a car is all relative. If you take 2 people making the exact same amount of money, chances are you'll get 2 completely different answers in terms of what's affordable or not.
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While I definitely think that more choice is better for the consumer, what is the motivation for the 320i other than lower entry price? It might make sense if cars were taxed by horsepower.

Normally, buying a less expensive car gets you lower maintenance costs, but that does not appear to be the case with the 320i -- MPG, cost of servicing, tires, etc. -- are probably all going to be identical to the 328i.
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One more rant regarding the arrival of N20i, plus the other new models coming to the USA, BMW is becoming VW or worse GM!
As it's been pointed out previously BMW has offered multiple models within the series for the last couple of decades or so in Europe and even here in the States.
This model has proved to be more successful outside of US of A so far.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:56 AM
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I think its VERY funny to all the posters who are concerned about ruining the "status" effect of a 3 series.

Is that why you really bought/leased a BMW?

I surely hope not, now every tom, dick and harry with any sort of job can buy a brand new, stripper BMW for low $30s and get the same dealership, maintenance and warranty experience as you "luxury car" snobs.

But to those who recognize that power isn't everything, this is a great opportunity to avoid paying nearly $50k for what has become a bloated, techno-laden compact car.

You can now get a nicely equipped, i.e. manual trans, xenons, a few other important options....for low $30s.

the deal should be great on euro delivery.
No worries there. It will just make less-fortunate people think there are more of us now.

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Here in Toronto, if you see 3 series from a distance, good bet it will be 323 or 320, and if you get closer, most or the time it is true. You recognize them in the rear view mirror buy the absence of the corona rings.
But Canadians are paying for them as much or more as Americans paying for 328.
Just saying..
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:38 AM
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Here in Toronto, if you see 3 series from a distance, good bet it will be 323 or 320, and if you get closer, most or the time it is true. You recognize them in the rear view mirror buy the absence of the corona rings.
But Canadians are paying for them as much or more as Americans paying for 328.
Just saying..
What, no corona rings on these?
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Of course, the affordability of a car is all relative. If you take 2 people making the exact same amount of money, chances are you'll get 2 completely different answers in terms of what's affordable or not.
+1111 I have friends whose rents are $1500+ and my rent is only 650 I save $1000 per month...and im not living in a sh*thole either.
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What, no corona rings on these?
Stock is halogens, but they're offering a lighting package. I can't imagine that won't have corona rings.

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I welcome the 320i, this almost gets me into a new BMW for once. At least I could afford one with low low miles in a couple years. This is aimed at people like me. Can't quit afford a 328i or 335i.

Thanks BMW.
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I welcome the 320i, this almost gets me into a new BMW for once. At least I could afford one with low low miles in a couple years. This is aimed at people like me. Can't quit afford a 328i or 335i.

Thanks BMW.
Understand the situation but if you're looking to spend that amount there's a lot of options in that price range worth consideration.
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Stock is halogens, but they're offering a lighting package. I can't imagine that won't have corona rings.

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I've never seen 323 with corona rings. I am not saying they are not available, but 323 buyers are budget oriented and probably never order them. Also the packages in Canada are very heavy and expensive.
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Honestly, I'm surprised it took them this long to do this.

Doesn't anyone remember the 318ti E36?

The fact that is get's the same milage as the 328i is pretty lame though.

I'll be curious to see the pricing of the 320d.
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Honestly, I'm surprised it took them this long to do this.
Yeah, some people think they're going down market. I see it more as if the 3 is getting back to it's roots.

People on this forum already talked about this, but back in the 80s and early 90s, you could get really stripped down versions of the 3...cloth seats, a crappy sound system, and not a lot of gadgets, but people loved them.

It wasn't really until the e90 that the 3 went up market.
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Yeah, some people think they're going down market. I see it more as if the 3 is getting back to it's roots.

People on this forum already talked about this, but back in the 80s and early 90s, you could get really stripped down versions of the 3...cloth seats, a crappy sound system, and not a lot of gadgets, but people loved them.

It wasn't really until the e90 that the 3 went up market.
That was pretty much my 1979 320i that I bought new. Cloth seating, 4 speed manual tranny, crappy Blaupunkt stereo radio, and just a few knobs and buttons. It did have power windows, locks and sunroof. Nice car overall and was fun except it was underpowered.

Upgraded features like leather seating were not available in a 3 Series. You had to go up to a 5 Series or better to get creature comforts.
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The fact that is get's the same milage as the 328i is pretty lame though.
According to several articles, the 320i is BMW's direct response to the Caddy ATS 2.5L value proposition, by undercutting its MSRP. If true, then undercutting the price is the only goal.

Interestingly, a few days before the news, I had stated in one of the ATS threads here that Caddy had a chance if they could undercut the 3 series, and allow many younger first time luxury buyers to enter this segment by starting with a Caddy. Apparently BMW saw the same threat.

The average 3 driver is getting older, in part because the price is getting higher, which tends to keep first timers away. Yet the luxury brands have to recruit those young drivers to stay in the game in the long run.

In the past BMW might have counted on the 1 series to take on that duty, but it did not work too well. People who have been driving Camry and Accord, or even Corrolla and Civic, will have to size it down to fit in a 1 series.

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According to several articles, the 320i is BMW's direct response to the Caddy ATS 2.5L value proposition, by undercutting its MSRP. If true, then undercutting the price is the only goal.

Interestingly, a few days before the news, I had stated in one of the ATS threads here that Caddy had a chance if they could undercut the 3 series, and allow many younger first time luxury buyers to enter this segment by starting with a Caddy. Apparently BMW saw the same threat.

The average 3 driver is getting older, in part because the price is getting higher, which tends to keep first timers away. Yet the luxury brands have to recruit those young drivers to stay in the game in the long run.
$4,000 is a big deal for a lot of people of all ages as is $33,000 price point.

Cadillac has its Buick. Acura has its Honda. Lexus has its Toyota. BMW has no step-down brand so it has to do the heavy lifting itself. Fortunately, there is enough differentiation in the 3 Series to make one variant different than another. It also makes the strategy of the various Lines come more clearly into focus. "If you want a Modern line or a Luxury line or the Technology package, you need a 328i, sir."

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Yeah, some people think they're going down market. I see it more as if the 3 is getting back to it's roots.

People on this forum already talked about this, but back in the 80s and early 90s, you could get really stripped down versions of the 3...cloth seats, a crappy sound system, and not a lot of gadgets, but people loved them.
+1.
I'm all for washing away the status-symbol stigma acquired during the Yuppie era and allowing the basic goodness of the cars to once again dominate the brand image. The BMW CCA did not become the largest single-marque car club on the planet by spending decades telling anyone who would listen how a BMW would impress their neighbors. We told anyone who would listen how much a BMW would impress its driver. Like a game of telephone, the true message got distorted as it spread.
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I'm all for washing away the status-symbol stigma acquired during the Yuppie era and allowing the basic goodness of the cars to once again dominate the brand image. The BMW CCA did not become the largest single-marque car club on the planet by spending decades telling anyone who would listen how a BMW would impress their neighbors. We told anyone who would listen how much a BMW would impress its driver. Like a game of telephone, the true message got distorted as it spread.
That makes a lot of sense, and as enthusiast I can see why you're pleased that BMW is headed in this direction.

But there's a word of caution and it's a pretty big one. And that is that back 20 years ago if you bought a 3 Series you got the legendary tight sporty handling as standard equipment. Today, you have to pay for it. You need to get the Sport line and you need the DHP at a minimum. I love the handling in the new standard suspension, but that's because it's softer and easier for me to use in a crowded city with crappy roads like Manhattan.

Someone who is looking forward to an inexpensive 3 Series that gets 'back to its roots' will be sorely disappointed without these pricey options, and the loss of horsepower isn't very performance-enthusiastic either. BMW launched the 320i to be an inexpensive luxury car, not a grass roots pocket rocket. You want that legendary sporty ride, you have to pay for it. Pay a lot for it, in fact.

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+1.
I'm all for washing away the status-symbol stigma acquired during the Yuppie era and allowing the basic goodness of the cars to once again dominate the brand image. The BMW CCA did not become the largest single-marque car club on the planet by spending decades telling anyone who would listen how a BMW would impress their neighbors. We told anyone who would listen how much a BMW would impress its driver. Like a game of telephone, the true message got distorted as it spread.
But will the 180 hp impress or depress? The fact the 320i cannot be seen apart from a 328i or even 335i (with untrained eyes) gives many badge whores (who are more value oriented rather driving oriented) another chance.
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