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While corvettes aren't normally my thing, I do have to admit that they offer the best performance value of all cars that I know of. Now that GM has finally updated the look (although I'm not completely sold on the rear) and more importantly the interior, I'd say that this car is definitely ready for the prime-time. I'd be interested in one, the ATS as well. I love my BMW, however I can definitely see the effort and value the GM has put into some of their recent vehicles. For me, its not about blindly following a badge, but what works for my current situation and what feels right to drive. I'm sure a lot of you guys here, on this website, feel the same way. Besides that, I think the fact that there is quite a bit of good competition out there, ensures that BMW doesn't rest on their laurels and continues to put out innovative dynamic vehicles. That makes it a good time to be a buyer.
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First Corvette C7 sells for $1.05 million

Nascar team owner and Corvette collector purchased the first Corvette C7 off the assembly line for $1.05 million dollars. All of the proceeds from the first C7 sale will go to the College for Creative Studies.





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Nascar team owner and Corvette collector purchased the first Corvette C7 off the assembly line for $1.05 million dollars. All of the proceeds from the first C7 sale will go to the College for Creative Studies.



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Wait a minute. That's the new Corvette? That thing that up there that looks like the old Corvette?

Tell me this is a joke.

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Wait a minute. That's the new Corvette? That thing that up there that looks like the old Corvette?

Tell me this is a joke.

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This is car is like the C7 Hendrick purchased.



This is a C6 (the outgoing model)



The "first one off the line" sales are fairly common at Barrett Jackson and in the past various Shelbys have gone for huge bucks.
It is more a vehicle for raising money for a charity than an accurate reflection of the actual value of the car.
Hendrick, who is the largest Chevy dealer in the country, also purchased 10 percent buyer's premium as well as a 1969 L-88 Corvette for another $1 million during the 42nd annual Barrett-Jackson Collector Car Event in Arizona.
Speedtv.com noted that Hendrick has purchased many other brand-new cars at Barrett-Jackson auctions, including the first production 2010 Camaro SS for $350,000; the first 2011 Corvette Z06 Carbon Edition for $270,000; the first 2011 Camaro SS convertible for $205,000; and the first 2012 ZL1 Camaro for $250,000.

Rick Hendrick has the largest Corvette collection in the world


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This is the C7 Hendrick purchased.

This is a C6 (the outgoing model)

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Wow. Seeing the photos side-by-side I can tell the difference but one without the other I'd be hard pressed to know.

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Wow. Seeing the photos side-by-side I can tell the difference but one without the other I'd be hard pressed to know.

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To be honest I had to go back and check myself. I saw the two cars (c6, c7) parked next to each other at the Manhattan C7 debut cocktail party last week and they are actually quite different looking although there is certainly a family resemblance. They had several classic Corvettes on display, including a 64 Sting Ray Coupe and you could see how there were certain design cues that were there throughout the years.

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GM started offering a head-up display in their Corvette in 1988. BMW started offering one as an option in 2012, or thereabouts. That's 24 years difference. Now, who are the innovators and who are the followers/copiers?

Ah-yessssssssss.....


GM offered what they now call 'displacement on demand' 'way back when, an innovation. Many former Cadillac pilots bemoan that miserable experience.

A bitter fail for GM owners, Honda's version was a success in the Odyssey. Others followed, including GM who revisited the idea.

IMHO GM's done as many bad things as good.
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I saw this car years back in an animated movie. Cars. Am I nuts?
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The new Vette look much better in dark colors, maybe its because all the vents blends in.
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I saw this car years back in an animated movie. Cars. Am I nuts?


Good catch. And his designers made sure Lightning McQueen didn't have ugly black wheels.

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Good catch. And his designers made sure Lightning McQueen didn't have ugly black wheels.

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Entry level cars and lower end marks don't offer black wheels. You need to move up the food chain and out of the guppy pool.


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Many supercars have black vents and wheels, I think some of the complaints are unfair. Vette is for a niche market, like all cars sold for niche market, they look different.

Of course some people just like to make fun of others probably to hide the fact their lives are not as interesting. There is nothing interesting about being one of the 98%.
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Where is the discussion about the display?
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Not an untrue statement, you need to move up the food chain of the standard F30 to have this.
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Where is the discussion about the display?
As far as reconfigurable instrument display, I learned it first in the Lexus LFA supercar, the Caddy XTS got it last year, now the new Vette, Lexus IS F, even the new Dodge Dart. Audi is working on it, or maybe already has one?
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Your car is the rare exception to the "black wheels are ugly" viewpoint because of the white paint and black stripes. Your car is very two-tone, very black/white, so the wheels are in keeping with that and the red brakes break up the monotony.

But dark cars with black wheels are bad. And red cars with black wheels are the absolute worst, just scream "old man in crisis" which is why Corvette has that combo on its promotional car.

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I'd say they are about the same level of difference as an E90 to F30, which is to say an evolutionary change. That seems to be the way things are done these days. Look at the new Accord. Have you seen the new MDX? They only make drastic changes when a model isn't selling, like the RDX. In some cases, they make a drastic change and screw up a model that had been a previous hit, like the TL. Sorry for the Acura theme, but that's just the examples that came to mind.
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I'd say they are about the same level of difference as an E90 to F30, which is to say an evolutionary change. That seems to be the way things are done these days. Look at the new Accord. Have you seen the new MDX? They only make drastic changes when a model isn't selling, like the RDX. In some cases, they make a drastic change and screw up a model that had been a previous hit, like the TL. Sorry for the Acura theme, but that's just the examples that came to mind.
I agree, no argument there.

But the Corvette hasn't been touched since the whole "retro" styling thing happened like with the Mustang, Charger, and Camaro. I thought for sure the Corvette would pick up some significant retro elements since it's pretty much the ultimate retro-capable car, so instead of something revolutionary it's too evolutionary and it missed its opportunity to capitalize on some of that old 60's DNA. If it were me, I'd have started with a '67 Stingray on the whiteboard and built it up off of that; instead they took a '90 and built off of it. Yuck.

Thus the reason why this car disappoints (and bores) me.

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I agree, no argument there.

But the Corvette hasn't been touched since the whole "retro" styling thing happened like with the Mustang, Charger, and Camaro. I thought for sure the Corvette would pick up some significant retro elements since it's pretty much the ultimate retro-capable car, so instead of something revolutionary it's too evolutionary and it missed its opportunity to capitalize on some of that old 60's DNA. If it were me, I'd have started with a '67 Stingray on the whiteboard and built it up off of that; instead they took a '90 and built off of it. Yuck.

Thus the reason why this car disappoints (and bores) me.

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Retro is a scary double edged sword.

Countless examples of it dying quickly like the Thunderbird. But best case scenario it works like the New Beetle and Mustang. But it is automatically a bit self dating and you are left with a now what situation after only a few years. The Mustang had a major refresh of it's retro and so did the Beetle. But that's all you get, a refresh of the retro. So the '15 Mustang will likely be quite different.

There are cars that they just won't meddle with too much. The 911 and Vette arevperfect examples. They wind up keeping their faithful buying and manage to pull in just a bit more in sales each time. There will not be a radical 911 or Vette anytime soon. Dating back decades you had mid engine futuristic Vette concept cars. There is a reason why they stayed concepts.
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Retro is a scary double edged sword.

Countless examples of it dying quickly like the Thunderbird. But best case scenario it works like the New Beetle and Mustang. But it is automatically a bit self dating and you are left with a now what situation after only a few years. The Mustang had a major refresh of it's retro and so did the Beetle. But that's all you get, a refresh of the retro. So the '15 Mustang will likely be quite different.

There are cars that they just won't meddle with too much. The 911 and Vette arevperfect examples. They wind up keeping their faithful buying and manage to pull in just a bit more in sales each time. There will not be a radical 911 or Vette anytime soon. Dating back decades you had mid engine futuristic Vette concept cars. There is a reason why they stayed concepts.
Definitely, but imagine if the best designers America had to offer breathed new life into the Corvette after all these years? All those baby-boomers who lusted after a '67 Stingray being offered a gorgeous yet modern throwback to their youth?

Chevy did a good job on the Camaro, would have been interesting to see them let it loose on the Corvette. I'm a bit biased as the '67 is one of my favorite cars ever and the 1980's and 1990's Vette design that still carries forward to this day still looks like a beefed-up 1982 Pontiac Firebird to me.

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Your car looks real good. You've customized it nicely. What I was referring to is that my car is an actual model that is offered by Porsche. Many high end performance cars come with black wheels.
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Your car is the rare exception to the "black wheels are ugly" viewpoint because of the white paint and black stripes. Your car is very two-tone, very black/white, so the wheels are in keeping with that and the red brakes break up the monotony.

But dark cars with black wheels are bad. And red cars with black wheels are the absolute worst, just scream "old man in crisis" which is why Corvette has that combo on its promotional car.

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Other than the back window visibility the Camaro is an absolute winner. The Corvette finally has a designed back end and seeing those grey versions makes me really like it.

I cant wait for the dashes to go all digital, but I want them to be basically OLED over old school analog versions. So if you loose that fuse, you can still see the data, but it almost like one of those two way mirrors. When digital powers up it hides the analog, or maybe just accents it. That would be gorgeous and a great pairing of classic with the future.
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