Will the 2014 Lexus IS doom the F30 3er?!

Originally Posted by The X Men

If the new IS hnaldes anything like the new GS, the F30 will have take a backseat to it.

Only when Munich's checks to Car and Driver start to bounce. Even then, the women in backseats of F30s will still be better looking.

Not that bad in non IS-F version. The interior looks "substantial".

Originally Posted by Saintor

Not that bad in non IS-F version. The interior looks "substantial".

Interior is very nice. To be honest, when I select a car, I never really hate other cars. I just happen to prefer what I bought (a 335). That doesn't mean I hate an Audi, Lexus, Infniti, Cadillac, etc. I appreciate all cars.

Originally Posted by pilotman

Not sure how you can pan this car when you haven't driven it....

Every Lexus I've driven to date has either been very boring, or has been lacking in some way when compared to other vehicles I've driven. BMWs, Maseratis, Mercs, Audis, etc. Lexus has always left me wanting for more when I've driven them.
BECAUSE OF THIS, Lexus is working from a hole that they need to climb out of. When a car company comes out with a new design or vehicle, I don't just wipe the slate clean. They have a lot to prove to get me in their corner.

Front looks like the predator, from the back, the taillights make it look like a drag queen. And it probably won't be available with a manual. That's strike three, yerrrrrrrr out Lexus!!

So it's not quite as hideous as the first photos that Lexus released

Originally Posted by Chris90

Early previews of the car say that's mostly just Lexus marketing talk.

sources please?

The reviews I've read so far seem to to the contrary.

Originally Posted by The X Men

Its my personal opinion, I have owned 4 Lexus since the early 90s. Problems like rattles and cheap feel do not show up in reliability surveys. If you ever owned a recent Lexus and a 20 year old one, you would know exactly what I am talking about.

I have owned a few recent Lexus cars, a 2004 ES and a 2009 RX. Both passed 150k miles, nearly trouble free. Sold them for a very good price.

No major rattles to report on either.

Have a 2011 Toyota Highlander SUV for the wife, its been bulletproof for first 40k miles, not a single rattle....

don't get me wrong, i still prefer teh F30 to the new IS.

All I'm saying is that I think its premature to bash its handling when none of us have driven it. I sat in the one at the Auto show (press event) since I live in Detroit, and I preferred the interior over BMWs.

It is at least a move in the right direction for Lexus.

Bashing Lexus on reliability, well, I just don't understand that. That has not been my personal experience, and is contrary to every single report on reliability, whether it be JD Power, Consumer Reports, True Delta, etc.

This is borne out in resale value as well, if Lexus cars are filled with problems and rattles, why is their resale so high? Just doesn't make sense.

German cars still handle better, have better feel and designs that age more gracefully (except for the new Lexus GS, which seems to out perform the 5 series).

Originally Posted by pilotman

I have owned a few recent Lexus cars, a 2004 ES and a 2009 RX. Both passed 150k miles, nearly trouble free. Sold them for a very good price.
No major rattles to report on either.
Have a 2011 Toyota Highlander SUV for the wife, its been bulletproof for first 40k miles, not a single rattle....
don't get me wrong, i still prefer teh F30 to the new IS.
All I'm saying is that I think its premature to bash its handling when none of us have driven it. I sat in the one at the Auto show (press event) since I live in Detroit, and I preferred the interior over BMWs.
It is at least a move in the right direction for Lexus.
Bashing Lexus on reliability, well, I just don't understand that. That has not been my personal experience, and is contrary to every single report on reliability, whether it be JD Power, Consumer Reports, True Delta, etc.
This is borne out in resale value as well, if Lexus cars are filled with problems and rattles, why is their resale so high? Just doesn't make sense.
German cars still handle better, have better feel and designs that age more gracefully (except for the new Lexus GS, which seems to out perform the 5 series).

Have you ever compare your ES350 to a F10 535i? or compare your RX350 or your highlander to a X5? The German cars feels more solid compare to the current Japanese cars. That was not always the case, the early Lexus were built like a tank compare to today's Lexus.
I think I was one of the few people in here who said it was too early to bash the handling of the new IS and I also said if the IS is a better handling version of the new GS, it might out perform the F30.
I never bash on Lexus' reliability, all I said was the new Lexus does not feel solid. There are more complaints on the Lexus forums about rattles than BMW.

Originally Posted by The X Men

Have you ever compare your ES350 to a F10 535i? or compare your RX350 or your highlander to a X5? The German cars feels more solid compare to the current Japanese cars. That was not always the case, the early Lexus were built like a tank compare to today's Lexus.
I think I was one of the few people in here who said it was too early to bash the handling of the new IS and I also said if the IS is a better handling version of the new GS, it might out perform the F30.
I never bash on Lexus' reliability, all I said was the new Lexus does not feel solid. There are more complaints on the Lexus forums about rattles than BMW.

yes, i have had 4 BMWs in a row, usually a Toyota/Lexus product for my wife and BMW for myself.

I have never heard significant complaints from Lexus owners, including those relating to rattles.

Nor have I ever heard a Lexus referred to as rattle trap. Perhaps I'm missing that. Ours have been more rattle free than any other make.

I was really underwhelmed by my E90 328, and at 44k miles towards the end of the lease it had a bunch of rattles.

But the point isn't to compare reliability, but whether the IS is a worthy competitor.

It will NEVER be a worthy competitor to those on this forum, nor will a Mercedes, an Infiniti or an Acura.

Discussions like this are worthless, because they won't ever change someone's opinion. I like to try different brands, and like BMW, but have been getting a bit bored with them....and will try anything.

I am currently out of the BMW family, after 4 in a row, and honestly I don't want back in yet.

As Boltjames says, all threads about other cars, including the CTS, ATS, A4, Q50, IS should all be banned....people here only want to talk about how great BMWs are.

Originally Posted by The X Men

Have you ever compare your ES350 to a F10 535i? or compare your RX350 or your highlander to a X5?

Why would one do that? The BMWs in question are almost double the price of the Lexus' you suggest comparing to...

Originally Posted by 1985mb

Why would one do that? The BMWs in question are almost double the price of the Lexus' you suggest comparing to...

The Lexus RX450h can top out at close to $60K.

I want to retract myself. Despite the better pics, I saw it in person and it is indeed very ugly.

I don't think that a significant number of Lexus owners really wanted a BMW but "settled" for a Lexus because they couldn't afford a BMW.
For whatever reasons they preferred a Lexus to a BMW. That was certainly my situation in 1992 when I purchased a Lexus SC300 coupe. I crossed shopped BMW and Mercedes and preferred the Lexus. Cost was not an issue as all of the cars were similarly priced.

CA

the rear end of the new IS is beautiful

Just like JLo's rear end

Originally Posted by SilverX3

the rear end of the new IS is beautiful

Just like JLo's rear end

Perhaps Lexus can use that in an advertising campaign.

"The new IS, just like JLo, big rear end - small talent!"

CA

Originally Posted by captainaudio

Perhaps Lexus can use that in an advertising campaign.

"The new IS, just like JLo, big rear end - small talent!"

CA

I like that
You should be working for ad agencies

Dude Lexus is Toyota PLUS its a ugly looking car, Stick with the 3 series

Originally Posted by The X Men

Problems like rattles and cheap feel do not show up in reliability surveys.

Actually, they do - both in short term, initial impression surveys and long-term. Interior and body integrity is included.

The German cars feels more solid compare to the current Japanese cars.

Hmm...

My F30 has been in twice already for rattles and buzzes. My modest Subaru has never rattled or buzzed.

Originally Posted by Elk

Actually, they do - both in short term, initial impression surveys and long-term. Interior and body integrity is included.


Hmm...

My F30 has been in twice already for rattles and buzzes. My modest Subaru has never rattled or buzzed.

My 335i had a very annoying rattle in the dashboard when I bought it. I was totally disgusted since I had a Lexus for 15 years and 130,000 miles that was totally rattle free. After about a week the rattle disappeared and has never returned. Since then the car has been very quiet and rattle free. I have no issues with the build quality of the 335i but quite frankly it does not have the refinement or bank vault, carved from a solid block of steel, feel that the Lexus had.

CA

Originally Posted by Saintor

I want to retract myself. Despite the better pics, I saw it in person and it is indeed very ugly.

That's a shame, I was starting to think it looks pretty good after hating it initially (pics only not seen it in person). I do like the interior.

Originally Posted by Elk

Actually, they do - both in short term, initial impression surveys and long-term. Interior and body integrity is included.


Hmm...

My F30 has been in twice already for rattles and buzzes. My modest Subaru has never rattled or buzzed.

I've had my F30 11 months no rattles at all.

this is nice from the rear... if the car is fast then this what F30 drivers will see....

Lexus is a rebadged Toyota.

There, fix it for CA.

Originally Posted by bayoucity

Lexus is a rebadged Toyota.

There, fix it for CA.

What the hell took you so long?

I figured that would have been the second or third post.

CA