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Is that sorta like a Ford vs. Chevy or BMW vs. Caddilac thing?
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Is that sorta like a Ford vs. Chevy or BMW vs. Caddilac thing?
Its more like a Rembrandt vs. Thomas Kinkade thing.

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So instead of Scarlett Johansson, Lindsay Lohan (who I'd still hit, by the way) would be a more appropriate representation of a Lambo?
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Got it!

So instead of Scarlett Johansson, Lindsay Lohan (who I'd still hit, by the way) would be a more appropriate representation of a Lambo?
I was thinking Kim Kardashian.

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Lamborghini, Kim Kardashian.
Kanye West has one of each.



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Lamborghini, Kim Kardashian.
Kanye West has one of each.



Your Honor, I rest my case.
The bossman(or was my boss as I have been free for a couple of months now) often drove this"


Notice the tasteful interior composed of matching green on black?


He admitted he bought it purely for the attention. I mentioned all kinds of cars he could replace it with and he would scoff that they were too ordinary and would not get him the attention that a scissor door-bright colored Lambo gets him.

We went out one time and a very attractive 20 something-year old girl asked to take a picture of me with the car even though I was clearly the passenger as the boss-man had gone next door while we were getting it gassed up. It's a bit odd.

The only other cars that got more attention are my friends TWO DeLoreans.
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The new Lexus would totally doom the F30 if it wasn't this ugly.. I really don't know what they were thinking.. oh, wait, it must be the same guy who redesigned a very decently looking Acura TL back in 2008. I am sure Lexus will be on this list next year

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The new Lexus would totally doom the F30 if it wasn't this ugly.. I really don't know what they were thinking.. oh, wait, it must be the same guy who redesigned a very decently looking Acura TL back in 2008. I am sure Lexus will be on this list next year

http://www.automotive.com/worst-cars.../acura-tl.html


I think styling is not the only issue, the drivetrains are not as competitive.

The base V-6 is severely outclassed by the N20 and the 3.5L, although better, is lacking compared to the N55 due to the torque deficit.
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I don't think that a significant number of Lexus owners really wanted a BMW but "settled" for a Lexus because they couldn't afford a BMW.
For whatever reasons they preferred a Lexus to a BMW.
I know a few people like that.

Reason #1: reliability
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While we gleefully stereotype Lambo owners, here is a nice video titled "super cars - crazy drivers compilation." There are a few Ferraris in there, but you can jump to 8:45 for one particular driver, who may or may not be the quintessential Ferrari driver. That's why they don't make manuals anymore

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I think styling is not the only issue, the drivetrains are not as competitive.

The base V-6 is severely outclassed by the N20 and the 3.5L, although better, is lacking compared to the N55 due to the torque deficit.
The 3.5L is a fantastic engine. Pulls just as hard as the N55 but no turbo headaches. That is why they are using it in the new IS350. The IS350 is not a looker but it shines over the F30 328/335 when it comes to the 3.5 V6.

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The 3.5L is a fantastic engine. Pulls just as hard as the N55 but no turbo headaches. That is why they are using it in the new IS350. The IS350 is not a looker but it shines over the F30 328/335 when it comes to the 3.5 V6.
I like torque.

The torque and mpg efficiency of the n55(or my tuned n20) is not matched by the 3.5
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I stopped in at Lexus of Manhattan last week. I was picking up the 335i after service at BMW Manhattan. Lexus is across the street and the bus stops right in front so I went in. They did not have the new IS but all of the other new models had the spindle grill. I did not mind it as much as I thought I would.

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While we gleefully stereotype Lambo owners, here is a nice video titled "super cars - crazy drivers compilation." There are a few Ferraris in there, but you can jump to 8:45 for one particular driver, who may or may not be the quintessential Ferrari driver. That's why they don't make manuals anymore
These are pictures from the 2011 Ferrari Challenge Series.

I think these guys may be quintessential Ferrari drivers. They do not drive MTs because they are interested in having the latest F1 technology in their cars. These are privately owned race cars. The owners buy the cars for around $300,000 and then pay about $80.000 per season to have a Ferrari dealer bring the car to the tracks and act as their pit crews. The drivers fly to the races from all over the world.





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I like torque.

The torque and mpg efficiency of the n55(or my tuned n20) is not matched by the 3.5
I like smooth power delivery without heat soaking turbos and maintenance costs related to them. In real world driving the IS350 is barely behind the fuel economy of the N55 while delivering same performance. I averaged just over 18 mpgs in a 335 compared to 25 mpgs in the 328 and I wasn't even pushing it that much.
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While we gleefully stereotype Lambo owners, here is a nice video titled "super cars - crazy drivers compilation." There are a few Ferraris in there, but you can jump to 8:45 for one particular driver, who may or may not be the quintessential Ferrari driver. That's why they don't make manuals anymore
Got to live up to my screen name sometimes so...why are all the Porsches and Ferraris drifting like that during turns? Won't things like DSC kick in?
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I like smooth power delivery without heat soaking turbos and maintenance costs related to them. In real world driving the IS350 is barely behind the fuel economy of the N55 while delivering same performance. I averaged just over 18 mpgs in a 335 compared to 25 mpgs in the 328 and I wasn't even pushing it that much.
Had 9 dyno pulls back to back within 2hp of each other. No heatsoak. If you are like me, you want more. Gains from a turbo car are low hanging fruit while gains from NA engines were small potatoes.
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Got to live up to my screen name sometimes so...why are all the Porsches and Ferraris drifting like that during turns? Won't things like DSC kick in?
Maybe they are older models without it. Maybe the drivers think they are so great they turn off the system. While every self-proclaimed enthusiast sings the virtues of RWD, put a big engine in there without stability control and you will see lots of people spinning around the twitchy back ends. Heck, I have even seen little pickup trucks spin out like that while accelerating prematurely on a wet curve exit. The stupefied look on the driver's face was priceless. You really have to know what you are doing with high Hp + RWD combos.

Have you noticed how every self proclaimed master driver bitches about FWD wheel hop while accelerating out of curves? I just tell them you don't know how to drive. You are giving too much gas, but your are not killing yourself thanks to FWD. They don't experience the wheel spin on moderately powered RWDs. But increase power a little bit, or make the pavement wet, and the reckless stupid mashing of the gas pedal results in videos like this. You break the rear end loose and it just overtakes you.
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These are pictures from the 2011 Ferrari Challenge Series.

I think these guys may be quintessential Ferrari drivers. They do not drive MTs because they are interested in having the latest F1 technology in their cars. These are privately owned race cars. The owners buy the cars for around $300,000 and then pay about $80.000 per season to have a Ferrari dealer bring the car to the tracks and act as their pit crews. The drivers fly to the races from all over the world.





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With that kind of money, instead of putting those ads on my Ferrari, I would post naked photos of my girfriends on the car instead. The one with the nicest rack get to be at the front right where the headlights are, the one with the nicest ass goes to, well you know where
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These are pictures from the 2011 Ferrari Challenge Series.

I think these guys may be quintessential Ferrari drivers. They do not drive MTs because they are interested in having the latest F1 technology in their cars. These are privately owned race cars. The owners buy the cars for around $300,000 and then pay about $80.000 per season to have a Ferrari dealer bring the car to the tracks and act as their pit crews.
But are these the average Ferrari owners? I know Corvette owners who do a lot of tracking too, but I damn well know that is not what the average Corvette owner does.

Btwy, taking a jab at manual vs auto was the farthest thing on my mind. That last driver just seemed so comical. That was it. But while we are on the subject, I am aware of your well written posts about the professional drivers whose everyday cars are autos. But here is the thing. These people have driven real race cars on a regular basis. They have, per your posts, manual sport cars to reminisce occasionally, when they feel like it. But their daily drivers are turds compared to their race-prepped cars. It really doesn't matter whether they are autos or manuals, they just don't get their rocks off with their daily drivers. But for the rest of us, i.e. the 99.9999% of us who will never even touch an F1 car, or the 99.99% of us who will never get close to a NASCAR, and the 90+% who don't even have a second "fun car", our daily drivers are all we have for fun, all we have to "get our rocks off." For some of us, manual transmissions go a long way in giving us that extra fun factor.

As to the Ferrari weekend racers who want the latest F1 technology in their cars, sure, its great to experience first hand those technologies: the transmissions and who knows what else. But despite all its power, despite the fancy transmissions, I think even an Enzo Ferrari is far closer to a Camry than an F1 car when it comes to cornering ability. And I can honestly say I am not trying to be gratuitously provocative here. Lateral 1.05G is significantly more than 0.7G. But when viewed from the perspective of a car capable of 5Gs on high speed corners, it all looks nearly the same. I can only imagine how unintuitive F1 cars are to drive. Depending on speed, maximum lateral Gs can vary from 1.5-2 to 5+! That is insane and that is a realm no super car can even come close to, not even by a very very long shot. It is just a completely different world and with a completely different breed of drivers. So while they may get to experience some F1 components, these super cars don't even resemble remotely F1 cars.

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But are these the average Ferrari owners? I know Corvette owners who do a lot of tracking too, but I damn well know that is not what the average Corvette owner does.

Btwy, taking a jab at manual vs auto was the farthest thing on my mind. That last driver just seemed so comical. That was it. But while we are on the subject, I am aware of your well written posts about the professional drivers whose everyday cars are autos. But here is the thing. These people have driven real race cars on a regular basis. They have, per your posts, manual sport cars to reminisce occasionally, when they feel like it. But their daily drivers are turds compared to their race-prepped cars. It really doesn't matter whether they are autos or manuals, they just don't get their rocks off with their daily drivers. But for the rest of us, i.e. the 99.9999% of us who will never even touch an F1 car, or the 99.99% of us who will never get close to a NASCAR, and the 90+% who don't even have a second "fun car", our daily drivers are all we have for fun, all we have to "get our rocks off." For some of us, manual transmissions go a long way in giving us that extra fun factor.

As to the Ferrari weekend racers who want the latest F1 technology in their cars, sure, its great to experience first hand those technologies: the transmissions and who knows what else. But despite all its power, despite the fancy transmissions, I think even an Enzo Ferrari is far closer to a Camry than an F1 car when it comes to cornering ability. And I can honestly say I am not trying to be gratuitously provocative here. Lateral 1.05G is significantly more than 0.7G. But when viewed from the perspective of a car capable of 5Gs on high speed corners, it all looks nearly the same. I can only imagine how unintuitive F1 cars are to drive. Depending on speed, maximum lateral Gs can vary from 1.5-2 to 5+! That is insane and that is a realm no super car can even come close to, not even by a very very long shot. It is just a completely different world and with a completely different breed of drivers. So while they may get to experience some F1 components, these super cars don't even resemble remotely F1 cars.
The cars in the Ferrari Challenge are purpose built race cars and closely resemble the cars that are raced in the GT classes in the ALMS Series and the Grand AM Series (which have now merged into a single series). At one point drivers like Stirling Moss, Phil Hill and Dan Gurney would drive in F1 and sports car series like LeMans and the Daytona 500 but in recent years that has not been the case. The drivers in the Ferrari Challenge are excellent drivers for the most part but they are amateurs. The drivers in ALMS and Grand AM like Bill Auberlin, Boris Said, Andy Lally and Spencer Pumpelly are top drivers. Also Juan Pablo Montoya, who was a contender in F1 and just won the Daytona 24 Hour is not exactly tearing up NASCAR.

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