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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 01-17-2013, 08:40 AM
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What can we do to keep the E39 bestlinks efficient for looking up existing links?

Good news and bad news about the E39 bestlinks sticky thread.

The good news is that Chivas' bestlinks thread has had more visitors (275K) than any other topic in the E39 forum - almost all filled with useful links - which is a good thing (as that is is/was the original intent of the thread).

Even the E38 and E46 people refer to the E39 bestlinks at times (the E38 folks going so far as to duplicate the sticky to their needs).

However, unfortunately, the bad thing is that there are a score of posts which don't belong there, due to either:
1. They are for the wrong vehicle & they contain no links & they are off topic
2. They are for the right vehicle & they contain no links & they are off topic
and ... less convincingly ...
3. There are related posts, which have no links.

Normally, none of us would care, as we simply ignore the posts which don't belong there (which we've been doing) - however - there is one (mechanical) catch - which we need to resolve.

Mechanically, it is important not to go over the 80 post limit unless we have to.
Why?
At 80 posts per page, the quick-search (/KEYWORD F3) mechanism fails (because it misses the next page).

Having said that, I'm all ears for ideas to resolve this.

Here are the posts that fit into the three categories above:
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http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...5&postcount=76 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...5&postcount=75 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...0&postcount=74 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...6&postcount=73 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...4&postcount=71 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...0&postcount=69 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...5&postcount=67 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...3&postcount=65 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...0&postcount=64 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...5&postcount=63  <=== this one is debatable - as it is on topic - but - it doesn't supply any links!
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...8&postcount=55 <== also debatable as it's on topic - but also supplies no links (and no additional value)
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=54 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=53 <== debatable - as it was meant well - but it also supplies no links nor adds value
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...3&postcount=51 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=50 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...7&postcount=48 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...9&postcount=42 <== it's on topic - but provides no links
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...7&postcount=35 <== off topic
http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showpos...8&postcount=30 <== off topic

Note: What I've been doing to avoid the mechanical catch is I always edit the existing post until it won't let me anymore (two months).
I used to add 10 or 20 links a week but now we're down to just a few - and - truth be told - we can cross reference since 'most' topics are covered by now.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:47 AM
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I know I've struggled in the past with the numerous posts on the best links page.
Its makes it tedious to navigate.

I think it might be a good idea to maybe just start a new updated thread.
If we keep the old one in existence as well, none of the links people have referenced will be broken.

I'm sure there are problems with this that I am not thinking about though.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:12 AM
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A great topic, BB! I am amazed that you can pick up on these things. I agree completely that we need to keep the Bestlinks thread easy to use. However, my limited computer skills are not much help here. +1 to the540wgn suggestion of a new thread but that sounds like a bit of work. Can the moderators delete a single post from a thread? That might be the easy way out.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:12 AM
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I was wondering the same thing.. As i don't really see a stream lined way of going through the threads and/or typing the topic one may need. I personally have posted and gotten the famous "do a search" comment but it isn't that simple..once i get to the best links its like now what.. only way i could see is making some sort of index with links to various topics... so members can scroll through under a alphabet letter or general title such as interior, exterior, suspension etc...or maybe find a way to find topics that get a hit when key words are typed.. idk im eager to see how many different ideas come about
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:45 AM
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I know I've struggled in the past with the numerous posts on the best links page. Its makes it tedious to navigate.
I agree a flaw is the sheer number of links - and - for a long time - the duplication & re-ordering of sets of links by topic - as better links came along.

Lately (about the last year or so), I've been cross referencing to existing threads instead of adding new links.

So the new links are for new topics or greatly rearranged topics.

If we drop the 80 posts back to about 60, we'll have plenty of room for updates, while still keeping within a single page ...

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+1 to the540wgn suggestion of a new thread but that sounds like a bit of work.
I'm not up for that - but if someone else wants to - they're welcome as it would be nice to have a cleaner bestlinks thread.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:59 AM
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If we drop the 80 posts back to about 60, we'll have plenty of room for updates, while still keeping within a single page ...
This would definitely be the most efficient way of dealing with the problem with least amount of hassle. Hopefully tim can help out!
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This would definitely be the most efficient way of dealing with the problem with least amount of hassle. Hopefully tim can help out!
Hopefully the moved posts helped out. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:31 PM
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Thanks to the team, especially Fudman & Propellerhead, the bestlinks was cleaned up by moving the posts to a better location fit for them.

EDIT: Just so people know the 'philosophy'.

0. The "problem" we're trying to solve is that a typical search finds many threads; but each person has to weed through the results to find the best of those threads.
1. One "solution" is the wiki - but that takes a LOT of editing effort (the wiki is great! And, it has a table of contents!)
2. So Chivas (and others) came up with the efficient idea of simply referencing the best links, by topic - which doesn't take all that much effort to add to (a really good thread come up once a week or so).
3. At first, we were adding many links a week (using keywords) - but by now - we have most 'topics' covered so newer links aren't being added all that much (a few a week at most, for those topics that have never been covered).
4. Presently, we try to reference new information to the old links (making, in effect, the old links the canonical one-stop-shopping threads).

This process has grown, over time - and it has flaws (big ones); but it also has big advantages (namely it takes only seconds to find decent links on keyworded topics).

One of the obvious flaws is that there is no table of contents - it's all organized by topics within a 'sentence' (a sentence being a specific topic, e.g., brakes, or suspension or whatever).
Successive "sentences" don't have relevance to each other (it's just a really long list of keyworded topics - which is why an efficient search of that list is important).

Another obvious flaw is that information was repeated when it was expanded (we added information and re-organized information) such that the later links are better than the earlier links.
And, the most obvious flaw of all is that there is no guarantee that the links chosen are actually the best links (who knows if better links are out there?).

Luckily, the potential flaw of dead links is mostly averted by the practice of referring to bimmerfest threads over outside threads, and then, in those bimmerfest threads, we link to the outside threads as needed.)

However, even with the obvious flaws above, the utility of just typing "/brake F3" or "/ccv F3" or "/disa F3" any of a number of keywords, and finding "pretty good" links in a split second, is useful enough to live with the flaws.

Thanks everyone for writing the threads & contributing knowledge to those threads which have, over time, become the canonical ones in the bestlinks.
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See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need

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Thanks to the team,

One of the obvious flaws is that there is no table of contents - it's all organized by topics within a 'sentence' (a sentence being a specific topic, e.g., brakes, or suspension or whatever).
^^^ This agree with whole heartedly. I frequent other boards for my other makes (BMW snobs out there don't laugh... 98 camaro, 76 VW bus, 95 bonneville, 02 yukon... oh yeah, also 04 harley and 81 Suzuki GS650G). All of those forums have separate stickies or forums for suspension, brakes, cooling, etc. Makes the search much easier. There is a serious wealth of knowledge on this board, but it is sometimes challenging to unlock it.
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