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Old 01-17-2013, 10:03 AM
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328d coming to the US?

BMW 328d US bound?

At the Detroit Auto Show BMW teased us with details of their 2013 diesel strategy that includes new oil burner engines for the 3 series and 5 series. What they didn't tell us was how these new models would be badged.

This press release from the Montreal Auto Show (above) could be a clue into the naming of the 3 series diesel. On the 17th BMW will be releasing a 328d for the Canadian market. Is it possible we will also see a 328d?

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Old 01-18-2013, 02:17 PM
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Gadget lovers will want to know that they changed it from 328d to "3 Series Diesel".
http://www.montrealautoshow.com/uplo...ments_1501.pdf

I sat in it. No reference to 328d at all.

Surprise; it is a 6-cyl. diesel! And max. power happens at a very high 5800rpm.





Thanks to xdrive, goofy SUV wheel gap.



Of course, the sales rep was more interested in his Blackberry than to answer question. lol.

Nevertheless he told me that it was coming in Canada in July.
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So that is what JSpira was alluding to.
This is an odd development. This is not the 4 cyl diesel that the advance info in Sep described.
240hp? A detuned 330d? but only 295lb-ft?
No F30 d with xDrive except for the 320d on bmw.com
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Oh well- I'd buy it anyway

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Thanks for posting the pics of the xDrive 3er diesel. You of all people!!!!
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What tech specs did they share in Detroit?
Was the car there? 4 or 6 cyl under the hood?
so many questions.....

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Perhaps this is the "in between" diesel engine that is current missing between 320d (180hp) and 330d (260hp) in rest of the world.

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But 5800rpm doesn't sound right....
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This is a performance alternative to the 328i.

Granted the 328i will turn better.
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Saitor, I know how you feel about oil burners but greatly appreciate those photos.
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Based on specs, it really look like a detuned N55 (gas), like Audi did with the 3.0T found in the A4/A5 Sportback.

I have this crappy pic. I am now mad at myself not having examined it closely. But you know my interest in diesel. It may even be a 4-cyl., which doesn't explain everything.
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Diesels. Diesels. Hurray for the Diesels. NOT!

They're the next "big thing" in the U.S., right? Yeah, just like soccer was, despite the hoopla and Beckham. I've been hearing this for the last 30 years, people. "Oh but you don't have to warm 'em up anymore. They're not slow anymore. They're not noisy, or smokey anymore. They have incredible torque. They get great mileage". Blah. Blah. Blah. It ain't gonna happen. The U.S. is not Europe. We don't want small cars, Smart cars, or diesels. Got it?!
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This is a performance alternative to the 328i.

Granted the 328i will turn better.
F30 328i's hp is 240/5000-6000 rpm & torque lb-ft/rpm255/1250-4800

F30 328d's hp is 240/5800 rpm & 295lb-ft

If the 1st photo is accurate, 328d will turn better.

What are you smoking today?

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But 5800rpm doesn't sound right....
Maybe the display was in error?
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Maybe the display was in error?
I think so. That's high for oil burner.

Also, I do not see an urea tank on either driver or passenger side. Is it only applicable to EPA & not Canadians?

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I think so. That's high for oil burner.

Also, I do not see an urea tank on either driver or passenger side. Is it only applicable to EPA & not Canadians?
It will have urea to meet the emission requirements in N America. It may be located under the fuel tank flap
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Perhaps this is the "in between" diesel engine that is current missing between 320d (180hp) and 330d (260hp) in rest of the world.
If I remember there's a 123d in Europe that produces 204hp in 2.0 liter form. 295 torque

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Interesting. There is a gap in the current model lineup. 316d, 318d, 320d, 330d.

In Germany, the current xDrive cars are 320i, 328i, 335i and 320d. The 330d probably has too much torque for the xDrive mechanism. 330d is 560Nm torque and 335i is "only" 400Nm. 320d is 380Nm.

At the moment the UK market only gets a 320i xDrive. --With fuel around $8.70 per US gallon, I have no idea why we don't get the 320d.
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... The 330d probably has too much torque for the xDrive mechanism. ...
Nah- they sell the 530d with xDrive
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At the moment the UK market only gets a 320i xDrive. --With fuel around $8.70 per US gallon, I have no idea why we don't get the 320d.
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With the CAFE increases, diesel technology is an attractive means to meeting the higher FE requirements. Drive a modern diesel and let us know what you think.
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I have this crappy pic. I am now mad at myself not having examined it closely. But you know my interest in diesel. It may even be a 4-cyl., which doesn't explain everything.
That's a 4 cyl
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But 5800rpm doesn't sound right....
Agree. Even the N57D20S (the M550x/X5Md/X6Md power plant) only hits 5400.

As well, 240hp versus the non-SCR equipped 218hp peak of the current highest power N47-variant seems questionable with only a dual-scroll single turbo. While the N57D20S is creating 125hp/L, that is with a triple turbo, sequential charge system...and no SCR. only 5hp less per Litre with a single turbo seems dubious. The charge pressure would be insane to get that much air into the engine to make that power.

I think there were some errors on the product display.


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F30 328i's hp is 240/5000-6000 rpm & torque lb-ft/rpm255/1250-4800
F30 328d's hp is 240/5800 rpm & 295lb-ft
If the 1st photo is accurate, 328d will turn better.
What are you smoking today?
Whelp, if you were to visit the international sight you'd fine the 328d to be quicker and more efficient than the 328i equiv; and a diesel lump is always heavier up front than a petrol engine of the same displacement. So I stand by both my statements.
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Whelp, if you were to visit the international sight you'd fine the 328d to be quicker and more efficient than the 328i equiv; and a diesel lump is always heavier up front than a petrol engine of the same displacement. So I stand by both my statements.
Except that there is no 328d on the international site (or anywhere in the world for that matter)...
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