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Sorry if this is a novice question, but will the 328d cost more than the 328i? If so, how much more approximately would you think?
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Sorry if this is a novice question, but will the 328d cost more than the 328i? If so, how much more approximately would you think?
Good question. A 320d with the blue performance option cost about the same as a 328i in Europe. Now that they're playing games with the name I would not be surprised if they used that to justify jacking the price up. That would be a shame. I hope they keep it on par with the 328i.
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Good question. A 320d with the blue performance option cost about the same as a 328i in Europe. Now that they're playing games with the name I would not be surprised if they used that to justify jacking the price up. That would be a shame. I hope they keep it on par with the 328i.
I was hoping it'd be on par with the 320i, not the 328i....but we shall see.
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At this point, is the hp of the 328d pure speculation, or does anyone actually have a bit of information on this?

If it's only speculation, and we're looking at a car that is priced and marketed alongside the 328i, I suspect (and hope) we're getting the 218hp model.

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Been reading in a lot of places the engine is more likely to be the twin-turbo four-cylinder used in cars like the 125d turned 'blue' (and maybe more boost?) and not engine from the the 320d. More than bummed we won't get a performance diesel like the 335d, but 218hp (perhaps stepped up a little more too) is better than 184hp.
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At this point, is the hp of the 328d pure speculation, or does anyone actually have a bit of information on this?

If it's only speculation, and we're looking at a car that is priced and marketed alongside the 328i, I suspect (and hope) we're getting the 218hp model.
Someone took pics from a BMW internal meeting last July of a slide show that listed the engines. The one to be used in the 3er first had same HP & torque as 320d. (180/280)
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That's a bit of information.



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Someone took pics from a BMW internal meeting last July of a slide show that listed the engines. The one to be used in the 3er first had same HP & torque as 320d. (180/280)
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More detail from yesterday's press release:
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BMW 328d Sedan. (03/2013) Show all media
Ushers in next wave of BMW Advanced Diesel models in the US
45 mpg preliminary estimate for highway fuel economy*

Woodcliff Lake, NJ March 29, 2013.. BMW debuted the new 328d Sedan at the New York International Auto, ushering in the next wave of BMW Advanced Diesel models in the US. The 328d will feature BMW's 2.0-liter TwinPower diesel 4-cylinder engine. It produces 180 horsepower and 280 lb-ft of torque, available from 1,750 rpm. It will be mated to an 8-speed automatic transmission. The 328d Sedan will accelerate from 0 60 mph in just over seven seconds. Preliminary highway fuel economy estimates are expected to be 45 mpg. The 328d Sedan will be available in rear wheel drive and also with xDrive, BMW's advanced all-wheel drive system. The sedans will be joined by the 328d xDrive Sports Wagon. All Three variants will arrive in US showroom as 2014 models in fall of 2013.
BMW Advanced diesel models have already shown to US enthusiasts that diesel power can be perfectly suited to The Ultimate Driving MachineTM. With the introduction of the first 4-cylinder diesel BMW engine offered in the US, BMW Advanced Diesel power and particularly outstanding levels of torque and outstanding fuel efficiency. Preliminary fuel economy estimates for the rear wheel drive 328d Sedan are 32 mpg city/45 mpg highway/37 mpg combined*. BMW Advanced Diesel technology includes Selective Catalyst Reduction to make the new 328d models true clean diesels.
Levels of performance and luxury expected of any BMW 3 Series will be ensured with levels of standard equipment on par with the 328i gasoline models. The options list will include Luxury, Sport and Modern Lines as well as M Sport.
Detailed specifications and pricing will be available closer to launch. All three 328d variants will be available in US showrooms this fall.
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But at what price? 40k base is 3k above the 328i. Hopefully the equipment level is higher and the residuals are good.
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At one time, I always thought that the last 2 digits signified size of engine.

But the 335i has a 3.0 liter engine, not a 3.5 liter engine. The 328i, 320i and 328d all have a 2.0 liter engine.

So either I was wrong with that assumption altogether, or they simply just threw that out the window sometime when I wasn't paying attention...
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At one time, I always thought that the last 2 digits signified size of engine.

But the 335i has a 3.0 liter engine, not a 3.5 liter engine. The 328i, 320i and 328d all have a 2.0 liter engine.

So either I was wrong with that assumption altogether, or they simply just threw that out the window sometime when I wasn't paying attention...
The latter.
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But at what price? 40k base is 3k above the 328i. Hopefully the equipment level is higher and the residuals are good.
This interview indicates that MSRP will be <$40k
http://www.thedieseldriver.com/2013/...d-intro-video/
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:20 AM
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But at what price? 40k base is 3k above the 328i. Hopefully the equipment level is higher and the residuals are good.
My concern too.

Actually if the 328d has a 0-60mph time in 7.1s, that's the same as a 320i.... that starts at 32500$.
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My concern too.

Actually if the 328d has a 0-60mph time in 7.1s, that's the same as a 320i.... that starts at 32500$.
The EcoCredit will knock the MSRP down to around $35k for the 328d

the 328d will have about 30% better fuel economy than the 320i.

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"Less than $40K" is code for $39,875 or something like that. We need to see the relative equipment levels of the 328d/328i to really judge. On it's face, though, a $3k premium is a bit rich, especially given the fact that in other markets the 320d costs several thousand less than the 328i.


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This interview indicates that MSRP will be <$40k
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"Less than $40K" is code for $39,875 or something like that. We need to see the relative equipment levels of the 328d/328i to really judge. On it's face, though, a $3k premium is a bit rich, especially given the fact that in other markets the 320d costs several thousand less than the 328i.
Not when the 320d in those markets is equipped with the options (auto and blueperformance) that the 328d will come with. Then it is much closer in price- nearly the same in the UK, and about 1000 Euros less in Germany.
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So that would suggest relatively the same pricing at comparable equipment levels, not a $3k diesel premium. I would not be surprised if the 328d includes as standard certain things that are optional on the 328i.

[EDIT] Since we're dealing with 2014, it's always possible that the base equipment levels and packages are altogether different. I would not be surprised if "lines" are now standard, and the non-line car is limited to the 320i. I also expect the Modern Line to go by the wayside.

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Not when the 320d in those markets is equipped with the options (auto and blueperformance) that the 328d will come with. Then it is much closer in price- nearly the same in the UK, and about 1000 Euros less in Germany.
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At one time, I always thought that the last 2 digits signified size of engine.

But the 335i has a 3.0 liter engine, not a 3.5 liter engine. The 328i, 320i and 328d all have a 2.0 liter engine.

So either I was wrong with that assumption altogether, or they simply just threw that out the window sometime when I wasn't paying attention...
That was true most of the time a very long time ago. It hasn't been a reliable indicator for at least 15 years. Sometimes the numerical differences are increased to make the models look like they are far enough apart to justify the price differences.
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That was true most of the time a very long time ago. It hasn't been a reliable indicator for at least 15 years. Sometimes the numerical differences are increased to make the models look like they are far enough apart to justify the price differences.
I was thinking that they might have boxed themselves in with this system. I am going to make up some product numbers here just to illustrate this.

For example, what if they have a 340 out on the market. The 340 has a 4.0 liter engine, but what if they came out with a smaller engine that is actually much better in terms of performance and has much more HP. I would think it would be very difficult to start selling a 330i instead of a 340i, right? Again, just making up numbers for the purposes of this discussion...No need to point out that there was never any such thing as a 340.
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A lot of this goes back to the original 745i, an early '80s car that had a 3.0 or 3.2 liter turbocharged motor. Also around that time, my 325e had a 2.7 while my friend's 528e had the same 2.7 (which in Europe was called the 525e).

The original 1970s 320i had a 2.0. When the motor was reduced to 1.8, the car retained the 320i name.
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Yes,its old news that BMW has 2 liter 4cyl and 3 liter 6 cyl gas and diesel engines for most of their vehicles.


How bout those diesels, though
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I was thinking that they might have boxed themselves in with this system. I am going to make up some product numbers here just to illustrate this.

For example, what if they have a 340 out on the market. The 340 has a 4.0 liter engine, but what if they came out with a smaller engine that is actually much better in terms of performance and has much more HP. I would think it would be very difficult to start selling a 330i instead of a 340i, right? Again, just making up numbers for the purposes of this discussion...No need to point out that there was never any such thing as a 340.
I think so too. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if in a year or two they came up with a more potent turbo-charged 3.0L I6 and renamed the lineup as 340, 330, and 320.
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The EcoCredit will knock the MSRP down to around $35k for the 328d

the 328d will have about 30% better fuel economy than the 320i.
The eco credit was a BMW rebate not a government program. They'll only bring it out if it sells badly again. And if they price it right it won't sell as badly so no eco credit
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I think so too. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if in a year or two they came up with a more potent turbo-charged 3.0L I6 and renamed the lineup as 340, 330, and 320.
I was thinking that too.

340
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550
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So, basically the 328d sold in the US is a rebadged 320d gussied up to sell to gullible Americans? I owned a 335d for a couple years and it was a great car but if the 328d is sold at a premium price, I don't think it will sell in much volume in the US.
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