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i like it too. probably will drive like **** like most mercedes tho.
Don't be so quick to judge. MB has taken huge strides in the driving dynamics department.
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Seems like they are looking to fill a hole in the poser market... I could buy almost anything I want but I just don't think I'm a M-B type of guy.
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Don't be so quick to judge. MB has taken huge strides in the driving dynamics department.
Like what? I have driven both the new C250 coupe and sedan. Both way to soft to be considered sport imo. Much softer than my 335.
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Like what? I have driven both the new C250 coupe and sedan. Both way to soft to be considered sport imo. Much softer than my 335.
I had a radio flyer wagon was I was a kid that was softer than my 335 (when it had the RFTs and the crap OEM shocks).



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Don't be so quick to judge. MB has taken huge strides in the driving dynamics department.
In what cars? I haven't experienced that in either the current C Class or E Class. In fact, I think Merc should be downright embarrassed by the E Class' handling. Sorry, don't have much hope for a new FWD model that will only offer four banger motors.
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starting at 29 k not a bad looking car.I'll stick with BMW though.i can see this car doin pretty well

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Like what? I have driven both the new C250 coupe and sedan. Both way to soft to be considered sport imo. Much softer than my 335.
The C350, C63 AMG, and E63 AMG have all made huge strides. MB is pretty darn close.
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The C350, C63 AMG, and E63 AMG have all made huge strides. MB is pretty darn close.
I haven't driven any AMG models and in my book they don't really count. I'm interested in the models manufacturers make that everyday people buy. (Everyday people by high-end auto consumer standards.) If I have to go to the most expensive, top line model to get the driving dynamics I'm looking for I'm not interested in that car. Mercedes builds nice cars, there is no doubt about that. And the C Class is a nice car, but it is a far cry from offering the equivalent driving dynamics of the 3 Series. Fun, satisfying, confidence inspiring driving dynamics is at the top of my list and I would take any 3 Series over the C350 any day.
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I had a radio flyer wagon was I was a kid that was softer than my 335 (when it had the RFTs and the crap OEM shocks).



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Seems like they are looking to fill a hole in the poser market...
+1 - people were ragging on the up coming 320i as being for badge whores. That is the only thing this CLA is for - people who desperately want that Three Pointed Star on the front of their car. The CLA is clearly aimed at attracting Honda Accord buyers.
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+1 - people were ragging on the up coming 320i as being for badge whores. That is the only thing this CLA is for - people who desperately want that Three Pointed Star on the front of their car. The CLA is clearly aimed at attracting Honda Accord buyers.
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+1 - people were ragging on the up coming 320i as being for badge whores. That is the only thing this CLA is for - people who desperately want that Three Pointed Star on the front of their car. The CLA is clearly aimed at attracting Honda Accord buyers.
What's wrong with that? You say it like it's a bad thing. The same could be said about the 328i M-Sport, which is aimed at attracting Honda,Evo,and Subaru ricers that want a fake M badge. The fact of the matter is, it's how MB is going to expand it's market. This is the reason the 4 series Gran Coupe is going to be released. It probably won't be able to compete with the CLA in terms of price point either.
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+1 - people were ragging on the up coming 320i as being for badge whores. That is the only thing this CLA is for - people who desperately want that Three Pointed Star on the front of their car. The CLA is clearly aimed at attracting Honda Accord buyers.
I don't understand this position at all.

People buy cars for different reasons. A lot of enthusiasts aren't interested in big power, but the great handling and planted feel BMWs are known for....many so called enthusiasts on here claim they would love a 320....

My first BMW was 2004 325 sedan with sport package and heated seats, manual transmission. Man I miss that car....sure it only had 184hp...but it handled so well....and was so buttoned down.

Why isn't ok for someone to buy the CLA because it offers a different driving experience than a Honda Accord?

It will feel different....and the interior is much better, pretty nice interior design.

Sure there are those who only buy based on badge, but not everyone.....
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Having a CLS I can't say I love the idea that there are going to be bunches of micro CLSs. On the other hand you have to give it to Mercedes for introducing something new in this segment and at the very least keeping things interesting.
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+1 - people were ragging on the up coming 320i as being for badge whores. That is the only thing this CLA is for - people who desperately want that Three Pointed Star on the front of their car. The CLA is clearly aimed at attracting Honda Accord buyers.
The same can be said of the soon to be FWD 1 series. If MB offers this size car with AWD and typical fit & finish it may be a winner.
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Having a CLS I can't say I love the idea that there are going to be bunches of micro CLSs. On the other hand you have to give it to Mercedes for introducing something new in this segment and at the very least keeping things interesting.
exactly!

Love it or hate it, you have to give them credit for going out on a limb and offering a "budget" Mercedes with a pretty bold design.

BMW is playing a much safer route with its evolutionary style and "neutered" 320 offering.

Both are fine cars, but very different. That's what makes the world go around.
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The C350, C63 AMG, and E63 AMG have all made huge strides. MB is pretty darn close.
Of course the AMG cars handle well, they compete with BMW's M division. The C350, not so much and no MT option.
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Having a CLS I can't say I love the idea that there are going to be bunches of micro CLSs. On the other hand you have to give it to Mercedes for introducing something new in this segment and at the very least keeping things interesting.
I think this will be a home run for MB. It's a great looking car at a very attractive price. And it's an entry level Benz.
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BMW has a lot of competition if they're gonna intro a 2er Gran Coupe!
Now THAT is a good looking car. I'd definitely consider it when it's time to move on from my 3-er, of course depending on how it drives. I'd also look at the ATS.

True, lots of competition for the 3 series these days.
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It does look pretty good, especially for a car that will be in the low $40s, loaded up. Good commercials help too!
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The C350, C63 AMG, and E63 AMG have all made huge strides. MB is pretty darn close.
In total agreement with -=Hot|Ice=-, the Mercedes-Benz cars are very good and are indeed close competitors. The C250 and C350 are great cars that handle differently from BMWs, but still handle very well. A touch light on the steering, and a touch slow on the steering rack (maybe a faster ratio would help) but excellent cars overall. The C63 is tremendous and I have a hard time determining whether I like the C63 more or the BMW M3 more...

I think a lot of people on this forum have drank the BMW Kool-Aid and don't realize that other brands have their strong points as well. Good to see another forum member who isn't steeply biased.

If we bought cars simply by merit and not image, we might all be buying a Cadillac in a few years. With the way they're advancing Cadillac may actually be making the superior vehicle in less than 10 years.
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In total agreement with -=Hot|Ice=-, the Mercedes-Benz cars are very good and are indeed close competitors. The C250 and C350 are great cars that handle differently from BMWs, but still handle very well. A touch light on the steering, and a touch slow on the steering rack (maybe a faster ratio would help) but excellent cars overall. The C63 is tremendous and I have a hard time determining whether I like the C63 more or the BMW M3 more...

I think a lot of people on this forum have drank the BMW Kool-Aid and don't realize that other brands have their strong points as well. Good to see another forum member who isn't steeply biased.

If we bought cars simply by merit and not image, we might all be buying a Cadillac in a few years. With the way they're advancing Cadillac may actually be making the superior vehicle in less than 10 years.
If BMW discontinues manual transmissions I'll look at VW.
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They eventually will (but this may be 10+ years away), but they'll be among the slower ones to discontinue it in the luxury market.

They were the last to discontinue it in the large car market. The 7-Series (with smaller engines) still had a stickshift in European markets through the late 1990s. With the new 7 Series introduced in the US as a 2002 Model Year, I believe that body style was never offered in a stick again (worldwide).

If BMW stops offering stick, I'd get the automatic or SMG. Most VWs are FWD so I would prefer a RWD car.
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Wikipedia lists the following trims for the CLA:

CLA 180 - 122hp/148ft-lb tq
CLA 200 - 154/184
CLA 250 - 208/258
CLA 45 AMG - 349/322

Not sure if all these will make it over to the US - but looks like they're targeting the 320, 328, and 335 with these trims and engine specs.
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