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E60 / E61 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series E60 Sedan was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E61 wagon followed shortly there after. The E60/E61 5 series is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 01-30-2016, 04:36 PM
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2008 528xi LCI Transmission Error Advice needed

After a bit of spirited driving in sports mode my 2008 528xi with 78k on it suddenly gave a limp mode error while going up a sloped highway entrance ramp. After 5 min driving to my destination, shut off the car went into the shop came back started the car and no error message in Cic. Plugged in Carly adapter and no messages or codes on the transmission. The car recently had coils and plugs changed and drives like new. My question is, should I get

1. Transmission pan oil change ($300 parts) + $360 labor at Indy plus transfer oil change for additional $250
2. Transmission pan + filter at stealer $1100
3. Get extended warranty and hope for the best that transmission or mechatronic does not fail for another 22k miles.
4. Drive the car until i get another limp mode error code, record it via Carly

What options should I choose, love the car garage kept, dealer maintained and driven as a 2nd car.

Please advice, forum advice needed.

Ps: all local bmw dealers are hesitant to change transmission oil + filter before 100k or without codes.

2008 BMW 528xi Transmission Oil & Transfer Oil Change

# Qnty Mfg Code Description Price
1 1 24152333907 BMW Automatic Transmission Oil Pan With Transmission Filter Includes gasket and magnet 208.5
2 1 24117571217 Automatic Transmission Service Kit - Level 1. Includes all the necessary components for a drain and fill with genuine BMW fluid 227.39
3 1 83220397244 XDrive Transfer Case Service Kit. Everything you need to service your transfer case 54.91
4 3 24117552108KT Torx Screw - Pack Of 10 -M6x28.5mm@$27.90 (24 torx screws needed) 83.7
5 1 24347588725 Transmission Sealing Sleeve- Connects Mechatronik control assembly to transmission 16.84

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Old 01-30-2016, 07:00 PM
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Kit at thectsc.com is $250: http://www.thectsc.com/products/oil-...ai-187-43.html

Has all the parts needed. All ZF, including the fluid. You do not need BMW parts for this job. You only need 6 liters to fill, no matter how much comes out when you drain.

You don't mention bad shifting (up or down) -- usually a warning of impending problems. With no codes, and normal shifting, it's hard to pin anything down.

You could have had a leaky sealing sleeve, and fluid is lower. Possible the fluid you drain will tell a tale: down a few quarts means a slow leak, smelly or black oil likely clutch parts slipping.

I'd drive it, but schedule a fluid drain/refill. It's past due, according to ZF. They recommend changing it between 40-70K. BMW's change schedule is, simply, wrong.
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Old 01-30-2016, 08:24 PM
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Thanks for the parts list it is very helpful. Glad I do not have to use BMW parts, saving $$ on the kit.

i noticed the transmission problem in the shifting at least a year back during a trip to rocky mountains when on climbs or mountainous areas the transmission would hold on to a gear for much longer than necessary. At the time, the car never threw codes, mentioned it to my dealer who checked it at 53k and did not see any problems expect worn belts in rear tires which were changed.

Now at 78k I again notice that on slopes or climbing up a hill the transmission seems to hold on to a gear. I have not noticed the smell of burnt oil or the appearance of a oil leak on the garage floor. I have not raised the car up and visually inspected the transmission, so cannot be 100% sure there is no leak.

I will tell the shop changing the transmission oil to return the old transmission pan and a bottle of the old oil to me. I would like to see if I can observe any smelly oil, metal residue or black oil in the old oil.

I am scheduling it for a transmission oil change soon. I am really hoping it is just low on oil and after the oil and filter change will shift like new.
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Old 02-01-2016, 04:27 AM
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Good time to replace the sleeve and adapter too
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Longvu -- by adapter, do you mean this: http://www.thectsc.com/products/mech...p21-44-45.html

I agree. The adapters get stiff and crack over a long period, which affects fluid pressure and operation of the mechatronics.

Silver: Trouble is, you have to separate the mechatronics to swap it out.

This is not a hard job, but a bit fiddly and unless you have the confidence to do it (or an adviser nearby), it may be tough for a newbie to transmissions.

If you can get an indy to use your parts, pay him extra to swap out the adapter.

BTW, from your description, you may have worn solenoids, but the first step is to change the oil, pan, adapter and sleeve. Once changed, you can remove and reuse the oil (tho some do a double change) and the pan, in order to test and swap the solenoids.
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Old 02-01-2016, 05:47 PM
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I would like to take the transmission valve body apart and service it including the solenoids. I agree I believe one the solenoids might be shot. Unfortunately I do not have lift, adequate garage space and a competent adviser who can give advice, while I supply the food and beverages. :-)

It would be useful if BMW/ZF/GM could install a couple of sensors inside the Mechantronics/valve body unit which would provide us with health of the solenoids and the entire unit. it would be easy to read those sensors via INPA or Carly. I saw a expert tech test the solenoids using a neat method.

Sadly indy or the Stealer is only recommending either a oil drain/fill or the ATF pan + filter change. I have added the adapter to the list of things to look at and change if needed.

Are all the Indy's we mention on the forum approved by www.bimrs.org or any good shop doing work on BMW's is an Indy?
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Yes thats the one!
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