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Old 01-30-2013, 09:46 PM
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Well just tried it on a 2012 E92 with CA.
1st pic is the dash warning 2nd is the iDrive display.

Started the car and gave the keys to my wife,When she walked away there was a quick "beep" like when the seatbelt is not on and the messages came up, but quickly disappear (like 4 seconds)
Of course the car being on the AE stayed on which would give notice something still on lol, unless the OP's car doesn't have AE's
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It does warn you if you try to drive without the key in the car, so that wouldn't be easy to miss. However, when you leave the car in as hurry in noisy conditions as I did, its easy to miss the warning because you're not in the car looking at the dash!

Not saying this is going to happen often; I've had mine for a year and this is the first time I did it, but it is a big design flaw.

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It does warn you if you try to drive without the key in the car, so that wouldn't be easy to miss. However, when you leave the car in as hurry in noisy conditions as I did, its easy to miss the warning because you're not in the car looking at the dash!

Not saying this is going to happen often; I've had mine for a year and this is the first time I did it, but it is a big design flaw.

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Yeah, but seriously, people with traditional key-in-ignition type starters do the same thing all the time.

You think people - with all sorts of distractions going on in their livess - never leave their keys in the car with the engine on? Plus, it's even worse because they lock themselves out of the car. With CA, you can't lock your keys in the car.

No offense or anything, but this is really no different than starting a thread on old E36 forum, and saying "I locked my keys in my car and left the engine running for 45 minutes, and the car never gave me a warning."
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I'm actually interested in knowing what happens, because this is a pretty serious design flaw if you can just drive away while your keys are in the kitchen.

If the car is smart enough to not let you lock your keys in the car or trunk, it should be smart enough to give you frckn warning message that you're driving away without your key fob.
Yeah, I drove this morning around parking lot without the key, no problem, no warnings.
It is not F30 of course.
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Yeah, but seriously, people with traditional key-in-ignition type starters do the same thing all the time.

You think people - with all sorts of distractions going on in their livess - never leave their keys in the car with the engine on? Plus, it's even worse because they lock themselves out of the car. With CA, you can't lock your keys in the car.

No offense or anything, but this is really no different than starting a thread on old E36 forum, and saying "I locked my keys in my car and left the engine running for 45 minutes, and the car never gave me a warning."
No it's not, because with the key ignition you would have to have the key fob to lock your car after you get out.
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Just a note about this. If you lock your car with CA instead of the key fob, the car will not lock if the engine is running. I have found it more convenient to use CA to lock and unlock the car solely. This also ensures I never leave the car running by accident.
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Yeah, but seriously, people with traditional key-in-ignition type starters do the same thing all the time.

You think people - with all sorts of distractions going on in their livess - never leave their keys in the car with the engine on? Plus, it's even worse because they lock themselves out of the car. With CA, you can't lock your keys in the car.

No offense or anything, but this is really no different than starting a thread on old E36 forum, and saying "I locked my keys in my car and left the engine running for 45 minutes, and the car never gave me a warning."
This is different. Technology has changed things. Two things that are different now. First, on modern BMWs without CA you can't lock the car from outside at all without using either the fob or the mechanical key. Second, without the car running CA will not lock the car if the remote is inside the car or the trunk.

In the "old days" before keyless remotes one could push the lock button on the door down and close the door. That is no longer possible.

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Just a note about this. If you lock your car with CA instead of the key fob, the car will not lock if the engine is running. I have found it more convenient to use CA to lock and unlock the car solely. This also ensures I never leave the car running by accident.
Unless there has been some miscommunication the OP is indicating he locked the car using CA.
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I recently did this. I park in a garage that has loud exhaust/heat fans, so engine sound is difficult to hear. Anyway, I guess I never hit the Start/Stop button and left the car running. I got a call 2+ hrs later about my headlights being on. Went down and when I plunked down in the seat, I saw the tach at 800. Ooops! Security didn't even notice when they took down my plate #. No issues with the car since.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:06 AM
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Just a note about this. If you lock your car with CA instead of the key fob, the car will not lock if the engine is running. I have found it more convenient to use CA to lock and unlock the car solely. This also ensures I never leave the car running by accident.
Not true on mine, I always lock by touching the handle, not using key fob. Maybe mine has a fault?
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I recently did this. I park in a garage that has loud exhaust/heat fans, so engine sound is difficult to hear. Anyway, I guess I never hit the Start/Stop button and left the car running. I got a call 2+ hrs later about my headlights being on. Went down and when I plunked down in the seat, I saw the tach at 800. Ooops! Security didn't even notice when they took down my plate #. No issues with the car since.
I'll bet that you were talking on your cell phone while parking and then exiting your car. Distracted drivers cause accidents as well as carbon monoxide poisoning.
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Yeah, I drove this morning around parking lot without the key, no problem, no warnings.
It is not F30 of course.
That's interesting because my 2006 330xi with CA warned me the key was no longer detected.
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I have CA, and my solution is to get in the habit of not pressing the park button on the shifter, but only the on/off button, which also puts the car in park mode while shutting the engine.
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Not true on mine, I always lock by touching the handle, not using key fob. Maybe mine has a fault?
I dont know the two times I have left the engine running in ASS mode, the car would not lock with CA. That is how I knew the engine was technically still on even though it was in standby mode.
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That's interesting because my 2006 330xi with CA warned me the key was no longer detected.
no CA

Even the fact that it starts without the key is weird. I know it's been discussed before...
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Even the fact that it starts without the key is weird. I know it's been discussed before...
This was a flaw in the E9X cars that didn't have Comfort Access. As you say, it's been discussed to some degree. On these cars, CA includes the keyless start feature; on the F cars, keyless start is standard and CA affects only the door and trunk locks.

For an earlier poster about having the car shut down if the key is removed from inside, it is easy to imagine scenarios in which someone gets out of the car with the key, and the driver tries to drive off and is immediately in traffic. Having the car shut down in those circumstances would be unsafe.

Even so, having a system in which the car can be unoccupied, the doors locked, and the key fob not present, and yet the engine is running, is totally unacceptable, and I can't think of any justification for it. It must be an oversight.

Those of you who are suggesting these problems are comparable to the problem of leaving a key in the ignition are just not thinking it through.
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I dont know the two times I have left the engine running in ASS mode, the car would not lock with CA. That is how I knew the engine was technically still on even though it was in standby mode.
I don't get this. You were outside the car trying to lock with CA? ASS wouldn't make any difference it's only active when your foot is on the brake pedal. The engine must have been running.
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Even so, having a system in which the car can be unoccupied, the doors locked, and the key fob not present, and yet the engine is running, is totally unacceptable, and I can't think of any justification for it. It must be an oversight.
The example I can think of is to permit the vehicle to warm up while unattended.
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The example I can think of is to permit the vehicle to warm up while unattended.
Exactly. On really cold mornings, I always start my car up and let it warm up for about 5 minutes. I like to get back in it when it's nice and toasty on the inside.
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I am, I am. I only wish I was a keyboard macho man like Elk...I bet he cut the seatbelts out of his car and threw them on the floor of the dealership when he collected his car...
It is unfortunate you feel ridiculing the speaker is an effective means of discussion.

For the record, the stock F30 seatbelts are fine. I hope everyone here is smart enough to always use them.

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Those of you who are suggesting these problems are comparable to the problem of leaving a key in the ignition are just not thinking it through.
No, they simply do not agree with you.

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I don't get this. You were outside the car trying to lock with CA? ASS wouldn't make any difference it's only active when your foot is on the brake pedal. The engine must have been running.
When the car is on standby I hit park and took foot off brake. Car did not come back on until after I tried to lock it. Outside.
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When the car is on standby I hit park and took foot off brake. Car did not come back on until after I tried to lock it. Outside.
Wow I'll have to try that it sounds even worse! Now you get out with the car off in P and and it starts when you lock it? That is nuts it should just switch off.

I haven't experienced this because I never use the P button on the shifter, I just hit Start/Stop button with my foot on the brake and it goes into P automatically.
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I'll bet that you were talking on your cell phone while parking and then exiting your car. Distracted drivers cause accidents as well as carbon monoxide poisoning.
Actually, no. The parking garage is like a an underground concrete bunker, so no cell service. For the record, I make about 2 calls/mo using handsfree BT. I hate, hate being on the phone while driving.

That said, what I may have been doing is listening to a radio segment wrap up after parking - I usually turn off the engine when doing this. Like I said, this particular garage has very loud exhaust/heating fans, so no chance of hearing the car's engine/exhaust - even standing behind it. I should have caught the headlights, but I don't walk around the front of the vehicle and the area is well-lit.
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Wow I'll have to try that it sounds even worse! Now you get out with the car off in P and and it starts when you lock it? That is nuts it should just switch off.

I haven't experienced this because I never use the P button on the shifter, I just hit Start/Stop button with my foot on the brake and it goes into P automatically.
A couple of months ago I think I read a post where someone claimed that the A.S.S. started the car after they had left it. This, if true, is quite frightening.
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The example I can think of is to permit the vehicle to warm up while unattended.
A completely indefensible practice.
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Just a note about this. If you lock your car with CA instead of the key fob, the car will not lock if the engine is running. I have found it more convenient to use CA to lock and unlock the car solely. This also ensures I never leave the car running by accident.
I think its been addressed already perhaps in this thread - but it is entirely possible to lock the car via CA with the engine running. Tried it this morning. Started car (with key in my pocket). Stepped out with key in pocket still and touched door handle to lock. The car obediently locked the doors (while running) - me on the outside, key in pocket.

I am of the mind that we are adults and this is on its own not crazy behavior for the car to be able to be operated like this. I'd like to go further and allow remote start/stop via the app (like in Europe I believe) in order to warm/cool car before entry.

Time limits make sense to me, the car should perhaps run in this fashion for a limit of 10 or 15 minutes.

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