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Old 02-02-2013, 07:07 AM
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Finally set for June ED, itinerary

Had a hard time securing a spot for an M5 ED, finally have my prod number and date confirmed. Getting the spot was tough, after several dealers failed me, BMW of Warwick, RI came through with what others could not give me, provided me with an excellent customer experience and got me exactly what I wanted. They showed great knowledge about the whole ED process, the vehicle details, etc, after owning 8 bimmers, two MB's, a Lexus (I know, shame on me, don't flame me), and a Porsche in the last 15 years, this has been the best experience I have had with a dealer. If you are in the area, I highly recommend them.

I am picking up a 2013 M5 Sing Gray with Cohiba individual, dark wood trim, exec pkg, DA pkg, B &O, 20" rims. Below is my itinerary, crafted with a lot of feedback from fellow festers, what I need to do is study the passes that may be on the way to my first destinations and any suggestions are welcome. I am travelling with wife and two kids ages 13 and 10, and this is my third ED (2005 750 and 2011 M3 vert). Air has been purchased, reservations are all done. Will need to buy insurance as I will stay 17 days.

June 20-Boston to Munich
June 21-ED pickup, day at the Welt, spend night in Munich, recover, go to a beer garden, and
stay at Ibis Muenchen City Nord
June 22-AM Dachau am, by noon depart towards Appenzell, lunch and walk in Fieldkirck,
Austria, night in Appenzell-Gasthaus Alpenblick Schwende, Weissbad (breakfast in
Germany, lunch in Austria, dinner in Switzerland)
June 23-AM Appenzell walk, maybe a cheese factory tour, departure to Murren after
lunch, afternoon arrival, (debated and opted to stay in Murren at the Eiger Guesthouse rather than the
more touristy Grindelwald). Park the car in Lauterbrunnen for three nights. Will
take a route that avoids Zurich and its traffic.
June 24-25 Spend the day hiking around, hopping in cable cars, visiting Klein Scheidegg,
Mt Eiger, Jungfraujoch, Wengen, etc
June 26 Drive down to Cinque Terre, stay at Hotel Primavera, Levanto (has parking, park
for three nights)
June 27,28- Explore CT towns
June 29 Drive to St Remy de Provence. Rented a house in town with pool for a week
June 30-July 5- Town hopping in Provence
July 6 Depart Provence, stay two nights at Hotel Le Hameau, St Paul-de-Vence, Eze
(deliberately avoiding Nice, which I have visited and think is overrated)
July 8 Nice dropoff (Monday am) to take a 12:45pm flight back to the US

July 9 through early September Spend the days in agony waiting for the car, calling the 800# several times a day to check status, and come here to discuss menial things such as cupholders and ashtrays.

We are more inclined to small typical towns than large cities, and the itinerary was crafted with this in mind. Any critique or suggestions, particularly about routes to take in Switzerland, restaurants in our destinations, are welcome.
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Plan looks fabulous! I would be interested in your evaluation of the rental house in St. Remy - we may spend a nostalgic week in Provence this fall.
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Everything up to the point - car specs, travel route, visiting cities, hotels and rentals, drop of location.
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Congrats, neurom. I'm relieved you were able to get it worked out. Trip looks wonderful.
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First, your car sounds perfect! I saw a Sing/Cohiba M5 at the Welt and in my mind it's the perfect combination. Good for you for bucking the metal trend and ordering dark wood trim
Your itinerary looks fine with reasonable driving days and lots of time to explore; your family will really appreciate the outdoors activities. Sounds like a great trip!

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Thank you for your comments. I have to now figure out some passes to take from Fieldkirck to Murren and then to CT. I need a primer in Alpine passes, it is hard to figure out if you are a first timer.
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As for alp passes on your way from Munich.
One option could be to drive via Gramisch and do the Kochelsee , back on the hwy near Garmisch , drive past Mittenwald and Seefeld (nice scenery and road) , you drop into Austria and could take the Silvretta (Silvretta is a great road and views) pass at Landeck (going through Ischgl and Gaschurn)
drop back on the hwy towards Feldkirch.
It would increase the mileage from 220km to 340km

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Nice itinerar!y My suggestion however would be to look again at your plans for 22nd because even eaving Dachau at noon would make it (especially on a Saturday in Summer) a very late lunch in Feldkirch and that's without going over a pass, something which you wanted to do.

So, maybe consider taking two days to get to Appenzell - then you could enjoy a far more scenic journey. Drop down to Garmisch, drive over the Fernpass (stopping for lunch at Schloss Fernsteinsee) and down via Imst & Landeck to take the Arlberg Pass road (ignoring the 14 km tunnel) and the adjoining Flexenstrasse to overnight at Lech. Next day, down the other side of the Arlbergstrasse via Bludenz, walk & lunch in Feldkirch, tea & cake in Liechtenstein and dinner in Appenzell. An unrushed, 2 day-drive providing varied and spectacular scenery.
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Great suggestions, John and JMH. You seem to believe taking a more southern approach first and then heading West is better (more scenic and interesting) than going through Lindau? I will study how to incorporate these. If I did the route below, including Dachau stop from Munich, would be 348 vs 279 km, and a couple more hours of driving spread over two days. I would skip Liechtenstein all together though. I also don't want to sacrifice too much time from the Bernese, spending three nights there and the Austrian/Appenzell stops are to me nice to add, but just on the way. If I figure it out in a way to cut the Bernese stay to two nights after a very early morning departure from Appenzell with a reasonable driving day that gets us to the Bernese hopefully rested and with enough time to explore/hike from the time I get there, I may do the change. I have to also take into account my family will only tolerate so much twisty roads. How do you suggest I tackle the Appenzell to Murren (Lauterbrunnen) segment and the Mürren to Cinque Terre segment? So far my approach for the former was to plot it in Google and avoid Zurich/Luzern, same for Cinque Terre, so far have only plotted in Google, but I need to chisel these segments a bit. John, why do you suggest Lech as an overnight? I stayed in Fussen one night in 2005, hit maybe a surrounding town or two very quickly, do not even remember the names, other than that I am not familiar with these areas, they are all new to me. Thank you for your precious feedback. Here is how that segment taking into account your suggestions would look:


http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Mu...mra=ls&t=m&z=8

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Correct regarding Munich-Lindau, there's little scenic about that road. I recommended the drive via the Fernpass and then over the Arlberg Pass because of the scenery and because you indicated you wanted to drive some alpine passes. I added the short extra bit from the top of the Arlberg Pass because the Flexenstrasse is exceptionally scenic, short and not really curvy at all and Lech is a delightful alpine village to overnight in - consider staying at the Arlberg Hotel, which was a favourite of Princess Diana.

Alternatively, stay overnight at the delightful Hospitz Hotel in St. Christoph, the small village at the top of the Arlberg Pass.

I make those suggestions because I believe that to truly get the best out of a European Delivery experience and to make it memorable, you really need to feel the beauty of the mountains close up instead of just seeing it from the inside of a car - and there's no better way than to do it the relaxing way by overnighting somewhere high up, where the crisp mountain air is at its purest. There are numerous places to stop, stretch your legs, snack and take some fabulous photos all along those roads.
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Very helpful stuff, thanks for taking the time. I took your advise, plotted your suggestions in viamichelin.com using the sightseeing option, and it takes me through all the passes you suggest, does not really add that much to the time than going through Lindau. I will go ahead and shorten my stay at Mürren to two nights and stay around Lech or St. Christoph. From Appenzell down to Mürren will be a straight shot avoiding Zurich and getting near Luzern and then from Mürren will be another straight shot to CT. We would have had our fair share of mountain driving by then and these last two segments are very long already to make them any longer.

These routes have me driving a total of 1145 miles not counting the day trips I will do while in Provence. I would have to think how much above the 1200mile service limit I could get without having to arrange for service during my vacation.

Great stuff, thanks again, the early part of the trip is looking much better now.
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Lech am Arlberg is a beautiful location and it's a very scenic drive to it
Lance made some very good suggestions.
I am partial to Silvretta as it's a great road and fun to drive with not too much traffic.
Also if you drive Silvretta you could stay in Gaschurn / Tschruns which is at the end / beginning of the Silvretta road .
But Lance's route is a great one !
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Lech am Arlberg is a beautiful location and it's a very scenic drive to it
Lance made some very good suggestions.
I am partial to Silvretta as it's a great road and fun to drive with not too much traffic.
Also if you drive Silvretta you could stay in Gaschurn / Tschruns which is at the end / beginning of the Silvretta road .
But Lance's route is a great one !
I am going to look at your suggestions, Lech hotels so far seem crazy expensive and so far have not been encouraged by the hotel availability/price during summer in Lech or the surroundings. I will study your suggestions, will follow the path of least resistance. I am also starting to wonder if these spots are better than Feldkirck/Appenzell and whether I should skip the latter.

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jmh, why do you write that Gaschurn and Tschruns are in the end and beginning of Silvretta? Does it go all the way in a V shaped form from the Strenger tunnel heading southwest through See, Kappl, Ischgl, and Galtür and then goes up in a northwest direction through Gaschurn and Tschruns to end right before Bludenz? Are there any gaps on this road? I may end up doing that, have struck out in about 10 places for lodging in Lech and Sankt Anton and need options. Looking from the map and hotel availability, proximity to more primary roads, is it right to presume the Silvretta is a bit more off the beaten path, less touristy? Thank you again.

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Hi ,

I stayed at the Aparthotel in Tschanun , very friendly people, outstanding breakfast and even has garage parking
At the time of our travel (early October) some of the other hotels I looked had been closed but it turned out for the better
as I definately would go back to this hotel. They also have studio rooms at very reasonable rates which might be an option for travelling with kids.
There are also quite a number of authentic and good eating venues around .

http://www.booking.com/hotel/at/apar...84c7d8f;dcid=2

As for the route you could probably combine Lance's and my options as you could head towards Garmisch (drop off the hwy around Kochel to take the
Kochelsee Pass (windy road and beautiful views on a nice day, very busy on weekends with bikers but much better during weekdays)
Drop back on the hwy for a short while (few mls) into Garmisch or stop at Abbey Ettal for a beer
From Garmisch you could either take the route via Ehrwald into Austria , spend a little while on the hwy (be aware of the automatic traffic
cameras in Austria !) leave the hwy at Landeck and drive towards Silvretta pass going through Kappl, Ischgl , Galtuer into Tschanun

https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=D...&via=1&t=m&z=9


Or another option would be to head towards Garmisch/Kochelsee and head towards the castles (Neuschwanstein, Hohenschwangau) for a sightseeing stop (if you feel you need to see them )
from there take the Fernpass via Reute into Landeck and head to Ischgl etc

https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=D...&via=1&t=m&z=9

Silvretta is a very modern road as it was built for the construction of the reservoir and is reasonable busy but not overcrowded (requires toll)

There's plenty of hiking / walking around at the top (+2000m) , the road itself has 32 turns from Patenen to the Bielerhoehe and a few less on the other side.
There are often oldtimer ralleys / race so you might also see some interesting cars on the road.

Here are a few videos from our drive over the Silvretta
http://contour.com/videos/watch/silv...-portion-short
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http://contour.com/videos/watch/silvretta-backside-down
a few other random videos from the trip
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Thanks so much for your feedback, JMH. Since you live close, I owe you at least a lunch for all your help in making my trip much better. I made a reservation at Hotel Jägerhof in Ischgl, which is a bit closer and a little less driving the day after arrival, and dropped my Appenzell plans. Will do the Silvretta and head south after Fieldkirck stop to Lauterbrunnen. Now I will turn my attention to the roads between Fieldkirck and Lauterbrunnen (avoid Zurich, should I also avoid Luzern) and the Lauterbrunnen to Cinque Terre segment.

By the way, for how long did you have to trail that Suzuki in your video (or something similar)?

Also, FYI, my trip is in late June, not October. Should make for a lot of sunlight.
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Also, FYI, my trip is in late June, not October.
How late in June? 27th till 30th June there's some interesting carting through the streets of Ischgl. See:
http://www.ischgl.com/de/enjoy/somme...ts/cart-trophy

The Jägerhof is a great choice by the way!
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How late in June? 27th till 30th June there's some interesting carting through the streets of Ischgl. See:
http://www.ischgl.com/de/enjoy/somme...ts/cart-trophy

The Jägerhof is a great choice by the way!
I will be there June 22-23, one week too early for the carting. I am happy with the new route, had to go more southern than you suggested basically because it was a lot easier to find hotel along the Silvretta. Thank you very much for your help.
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Thanks so much for your feedback, JMH. Since you live close, I owe you at least a lunch for all your help in making my trip much better. I made a reservation at Hotel Jägerhof in Ischgl, which is a bit closer and a little less driving the day after arrival, and dropped my Appenzell plans. Will do the Silvretta and head south after Fieldkirck stop to Lauterbrunnen. Now I will turn my attention to the roads between Fieldkirck and Lauterbrunnen (avoid Zurich, should I also avoid Luzern) and the Lauterbrunnen to Cinque Terre segment.

By the way, for how long did you have to trail that Suzuki in your video (or something similar)?

Also, FYI, my trip is in late June, not October. Should make for a lot of sunlight.
No problem at all.
I have still plenty of maps/books etc from last years trip I am happy to pass on (bought them for
the other folks coming along on the trip)
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The date was not the problem, it was the lack of allocations for M5's, my local dealer had to work hard to get it and I had tried about 10 other dealers with no luck. Took me about a month and a lot of calls to area dealers to finally get the allocation.
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Updated itinerary

After all the feedback here, this is my updated itinerary:

June 20-Boston to Munich
June 21-ED pickup, day at the Welt, spend night in Munich, recover, go to a beer garden, and
stay at Ibis Muenchen City Nord
June 22-AM Dachau am, by noon depart towards Ischgl, lunch near Garmisch, take Silvettra pass to spend night in Ischgl, Austria,
June 23-AM back on Silvretta through Gaschurn to Bludenz, Feldkirch (optional stops) and south avoiding Zurich towards Lauterbrunnen parking, cable car to Mürren for a three night stay.
June 24-25 Spend the days hiking around, hopping in cable cars, visiting Klein Scheidegg, Mt Eiger, Jungfraujoch, Wengen, etc
June 26 Drive down to Cinque Terre, stop in Cernobbio for lunch (probably Il Gatto Nero) stay in Levanto for 3 nights (hotel has parking)
June 27,28- Explore CT towns on foot, train, boat
June 29 Drive to St Remy de Provence, stopping in Antibes for lunch. Rented a house in town with pool for a week
June 30-July 5- Town hopping in Provence (Nimes, Pont du Gard, Arles, Orange and Côtes du Rhone, Avignon
July 6 Depart Provence, stay two nights at Hotel Le Hameau, St Paul-de-Vence, Eze
July 8 Nice dropoff (Monday am) to take a 12:45pm flight back to the US

Great to have feedback to chisel the trip. Thanks!
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^^^^ This, folks, is what ED is all about

Great itinerary; great car!

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DO NOT FORGET THE LAVENDER!!

You will be in Provence in prime lavender season. This is NOT to be missed.

The areas around Sault/Valensole Plateau (plain?) are the areas to focus on here. Just one day is enough. Don't miss. Honestly.

Sault would be the closest to St Remy I believe...

http://www.provenceweb.fr/e/mag/terr...ndes/zones.htm

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