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Old 02-02-2013, 03:58 PM
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E92 vs F30 (not just another comparison thread)

Hi guys,

New here. I gave up on looking at Audis cause they didn't provide the feel I was looking for.

Anyways, I am 23 and looking to buy or lease.

I've been looking at the new 328i and have found some decent deals, mostly on demo cars or loaners but I am on the fence on buying. My mom thinks its better to buy, but I don't quite get why she thinks so.

I am thinking that a lease is prob best in my shoes, since it will give me freedom and flexibility and I can always get a (relatively) new car.

I want something sporty, but somewhat comfortable as well.

I found a lease takeover on a loaded 2011 335i coupe with nav and sports, m, and prem packages for $479/mo.

I also found a 2013 328i (f30) w/ sportline, premium, and tech packages for pretty much the same price $475/mo.

Funny thing is that I came in looking at BMWs thinking the f30 is kind of ugly, but its actually grown on me a bit.

What would you guys choose?
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Old 02-02-2013, 04:34 PM
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I had a similar dilemma, 2013 F30 or 2013 E92.

I went with the E92, looks better, handles better, and no kinks to be ironed out.

I bought the 328i rather than the 335i though. I would have liked the bigger engine but the reliability issues put me off as I plan to keep the car past warranty.
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Old 02-02-2013, 04:37 PM
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At $479/mo do you think its a good deal? I don't know if I should try to negotiate it down to maybe 430 or 450...he just posted it on craigslist...
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Old 02-02-2013, 04:45 PM
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At $479/mo do you think its a good deal? I don't know if I should try to negotiate it down to maybe 430 or 450...he just posted it on craigslist...
How can you negotiate lease payments on a lease takeover
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Old 02-02-2013, 06:50 PM
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$479 a month on a 4 cylinder turbo is way too much besides you hit the nail on the head in the looks dept. Car needs a hood delete asap. Get an E92 while you still can they drive like a bimmer.
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:01 PM
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I would go with the E92. I think it looks better, and feels nice and tight. The F30 frontend to me is ugly. Also your getting an inline 6, with 300 horses. The F30 engine is peppy, however, it sounds like it's working hard when you push it.
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:48 PM
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Your mom has some intelligence .

Your mom has some intelligence.
I think she may be trying to keep you from a life of debt and servitude to the man.
Unless you have your own business leases are for loosers.

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Old 02-02-2013, 08:31 PM
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Your mom has some intelligence.
I think she may be trying to keep you from a life of debt and servitude to the man.
Unless you have your own business leases are for loosers.
What's a looser?
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Someone's mother, mayhaps.



OP: Leases can be a good idea if you don't plan on keeping a car for long (three years or less). Generally speaking, a standard loan will prove to be less expensive if you keep it for longer than three years or so. Having been in a relatively similar situation in years past, I would recommend a used E9X. Say, a 2010 or 2011 with a few thousand on the odo. Purchasing used leaves you with a lot more monetary flexibility and, at least when I was 23, that can be extremely helpful.
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Hi guys,

New here. I gave up on looking at Audis cause they didn't provide the feel I was looking for.

Anyways, I am 23 and looking to buy or lease.

I've been looking at the new 328i and have found some decent deals, mostly on demo cars or loaners but I am on the fence on buying. My mom thinks its better to buy, but I don't quite get why she thinks so.

I am thinking that a lease is prob best in my shoes, since it will give me freedom and flexibility and I can always get a (relatively) new car.

I want something sporty, but somewhat comfortable as well.

I found a lease takeover on a loaded 2011 335i coupe with nav and sports, m, and prem packages for $479/mo.

I also found a 2013 328i (f30) w/ sportline, premium, and tech packages for pretty much the same price $475/mo.

Funny thing is that I came in looking at BMWs thinking the f30 is kind of ugly, but its actually grown on me a bit.

What would you guys choose?

Well, here's the deal:

You lease, you don't dare mod much. E9x cars seriously benefit from suspension & drivetrain mods as does F30, but F30 doesn't have M parts yet. Doubt? Take time to test drive a M - you can have that in either car you're considering excluding the engine.

Put those mods with a JB4 + 335i, and you gotta fun machine. Add meth and you got a fast machine right up to the speed limiter; faster than stock M3.

You like? Look at a 2009+ 335i coming off lease. Pleasingly inexpensive, you might be able to score a convertible, which believe me you'll love.

Disclaimer: When you have a BMW, be prepared for expensive maint. However, gigantic volumes of info and DIY Youtubes and forum posts exist - the E9x has been xrayed and described in most every way, all available through a moment's search. Some skill sets are immensely rewarding with such a car.

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Old 02-03-2013, 02:23 AM
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$479 a month on a 4 cylinder turbo is way too much besides you hit the nail on the head in the looks dept. Car needs a hood delete asap. Get an E92 while you still can they drive like a bimmer.

Uhh, I don't get this...maybe you are confusing the two leases?

335 is $479 and 328 is $475
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:24 AM
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And fyi, I don't get how debt is more of an issue with a lease...its not like I will be taking loans or anything to pay the lease, I got cash to spare
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:11 AM
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I looked at doing a lease once years ago, I do not see why anyone except a person that can write it off on taxes would ever lease a car, just a poor finacial choice. You are locked in to a long term 'rental" paying profit, interest and depreciation and at the end you have nothing. I almost always by a used car and keep them a long time. Even with the odd repair cost it is much cheaper than the first few years depreciation. Buying or leasing a new 3 will cost as much to own in the first 3 years as it will in the next 6 plus years. Sure you will pay a few $1000 repair bills but that is less than the $4-$5000+ depreciation per year. Find a great used car, buy it and pay it off as quickly as you can to cut the interest payments. Yes I have kids your age.
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And fyi, I don't get how debt is more of an issue with a lease...its not like I will be taking loans or anything to pay the lease, I got cash to spare
Debt is only an issue (albeit a small one) with a lease if you decide to finance the residual when the lease is up - you'll pay more, at that point, than you would have purchasing outright.

What some people are ignoring with leases is actually a benefit for some - when the lease is up, you don't have a car anymore. You don't have any equity in a car, but you also paid less money over the duration of the lease than someone who was paying down a full-term loan in that period. You've literally amortized the equity over the past 36 months. Now, you're free and clear - no spending weeks selling a car, no arguing over trade-in value. Just give the keys back and negotiate your next lease.
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Yes you can turn it in and not pay more

1)If you put new tires on it
2)If it has no major dings
3)If you didn't drive it to far which is equivalent of having it attached
to a long string.
4)So basically you are renting something which you can only drive so far.
and you can not change to suit your tastes. And you are doomed to eternal
car payments. All for convenience that is why I bet most people that do this have
large credit card balances and a third of there money goes to the bank or loan sharks
that designed this heinous system.

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Old 02-03-2013, 01:08 PM
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UHHH JUST FYI, the 335i can be driven 1,300 miles/month
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E92 is a better looking and better drive car.... However E92 will depreciate pretty quickly soon when 4 series is out

F30 is newer but not necessary better drive (F30 steering feel is a dead duck)... but has better depreciation and better techonology (8 speed, modern gadgets, fuel efficient engine etc..)

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Debt is only an issue (albeit a small one) with a lease if you decide to finance the residual when the lease is up - you'll pay more, at that point, than you would have purchasing outright.

What do you mean by financing the residual when lease is up? Like buying the car?

2 reasons why I like a lease is because I won't be spending all my money I have saved...and since I don't know where I will be in 2-3 years, I won't have to deal with selling a car.
Basically, I don't have to make as big of a financial investment.
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Uhh, I don't get this...maybe you are confusing the two leases?

335 is $479 and 328 is $475
No i wasn't comparing the 2 price tags just got sticker shock on that 4 328...Found that # kinda shocking that's all
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At 23 get the 300 hp car - assuming you over the 'learning phase'. Age 42 230 hp is plenty, the 23 year old me would have loved 300 and by then most people have the experience to use that power (semi-)sensibly.
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What do you mean by financing the residual when lease is up? Like buying the car?

2 reasons why I like a lease is because I won't be spending all my money I have saved...and since I don't know where I will be in 2-3 years, I won't have to deal with selling a car.
Basically, I don't have to make as big of a financial investment.
Yes, that's what I mean.

Personally, I think a lease is appropriate in your case if you've run all the numbers. But that's just me. Either way, you're not going to go bankrupt and turn out destitute from the decision.
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The E92 will handle, brake and steer better than the F30. The F30 will be more comfortable, larger and will have more tech.
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I think you can find better lease deals at the BMW dealers who have executive cars they can lease as new. These car have taken the depreciation 'hit' and have relatively low miles and I've found a few sweet deals (under $400 month). I've only purchased in past and taking my first lease but it's a very low payment and not too much financial risk, (esp if new to a brand and want to 'try it on' so to speak). Also you can ask for a two year lease, which many people I know do, and supposedly work out great if model is radically changing (like the coupes... also 2012 E class MB sedans... 2 year leases at $500)

might be worth to call several dealers and asking if they have any of these type cars.
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I've been looking at the new 328i and have found some decent deals, mostly on demo cars or loaners but I am on the fence on buying. My mom thinks its better to buy, but I don't quite get why she thinks so.
Sent you a PM about my car buying experience, if you're interested in my rather lengthy personal opinion. Have you considered or looked into buying used, or are you set on getting into a brand new BMW?
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The E92 will handle, brake and steer better than the F30. The F30 will be more comfortable, larger and will have more tech.
I don't think the E92 handles better than the F30. It does steer better, but that is a somewhat different issue. I would also argue that the F30 is somewhat closer to the BMW ideal ride/handling tradeoff.

I also don't agree that the F30 is more comfortable, at least on all levels. To me, the new interior feels kind of cheap which detracts from my perception of "comfort." The E9x actually feels more upscale to me.
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