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Old 02-04-2013, 03:22 AM
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1200 Mile service definite answer?

I have search many posts about this question, I really do not see anything definite. Some have the opinion that it is critical, others that it is ok if you just break it, some comments from service advisors that you have until 2000 miles to do the 1200. I am anticipating to be at around 1500 and unlikely to be above 1800 on my M5 and do not plan to push the RPM's, so I am debating if going through the hassle of looking for a service center, paying, getting a refund during my vacation is a necessary hassle. Anyone has a definite answer on this?
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Don't know what qualifies as a "definite" answer, but I've bypassed the 1,200 mile service twice and done it once on M cars in Europe. We're picking up a M6 this summer and will probably put close to 3,000 miles on it and do not intend to involve ourselves in the service hassle - maybe in UK if it's convenient but I'm not at all worried,.
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I have search many posts about this question, I really do not see anything definite. Some have the opinion that it is critical, others that it is ok if you just break it, some comments from service advisors that you have until 2000 miles to do the 1200. I am anticipating to be at around 1500 and unlikely to be above 1800 on my M5 and do not plan to push the RPM's, so I am debating if going through the hassle of looking for a service center, paying, getting a refund during my vacation is a necessary hassle. Anyone has a definite answer on this?
You will be fine , might just consider having a spare bottle of oil with you just in case you need it .
Once the car hits the VPC in NJ they'll perform the 1200mls service for you.
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If you are really concerned, make an appointment with the dealer where you think you would be. I personally would not bother - the M5/6 engines are now the twin turbos whereas in the past they were the high revving normally aspirated engines which likely spun higher revs than would the twin turbo. So theoretically there should be less wear based on lower RPMs.

One other consideration is if you want to really open the car up past 1200 miles. If you do the oil change, then you would have more of a free reign to get higher revs, even though you should still ramp up the revs gradually.
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I was interested in this as well. I'm heading out with a e92 M3 and was planning on going over the 1,200 miles.

I was looking to setup a servicing along my route but don't know if the car would be handled properly and within a workable time frame.
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You will be fine , might just consider having a spare bottle of oil with you just in case you need it .
Once the car hits the VPC in NJ they'll perform the 1200mls service for you.
VPC will peform it automatically if they "see" an M car with over 1200 miles? Or do I need to contact them or my CA for them to do that?
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I think the "definite answer" that you are looking for is that BMW recommends an initial service for M cars at 1200 miles. There is no range mentioned, no extenuating circumstances, just 1200 miles. It's in the manual, in black and white. That's the "definite answer".

Anything else anyone posts is just their opinion and conjecture and in no way is the "definite answer". Remember that some people lease their cars and some people own their cars and intend to own them for 100,000 miles or more. Those that lease probably don't give a hoot about the recommended service interval because they'll lease another one in 2-3 years and are not concerned about having the engine last for more than 100,000 miles. That's a subsequent owner's problem. The consequences of not following the initial break-in recommendations aren't anything that will show up during your ED, or probably the next year, or the year after, and if there are any negative consequences, they won't show up until the engine has many, many miles on it. Some people don't believe in the necessity of break-in service on modern engines. Bottom line, BMW does recommend it for M cars, at 1200 miles. Also, bottom line, this is YOUR car, not someone else's. How long do you intend to keep it?

There have been many posts here by people that have done ED on M cars and arranged to have their initial 1200 mile service done in Germany at a BMW service center. They're the ones that probably plan to keep their M cars for a long time and want to make sure that everything is done by the book.
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I was stressing about it as well...
I hit 1400 miles without changing it... although in Germany there are several places where you can get it done. Just MAKE SURE they have the type of oil you need. I wouldn't give it much thought until around 1800 miles, personally.
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VPC will peform it automatically if they "see" an M car with over 1200 miles? Or do I need to contact them or my CA for them to do that?
Will be done "automagically"
In my case I actually had a piece of paper in the car asking for the 1st service being deferred to my dealer
but they performed it anyways (which in the end didn't matter, I just wanted my dealer to get the money for
the service , they later checked if the VPC did change all the required fluids etc , and they did ) .
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I was stressing about it as well...
I hit 1400 miles without changing it... although in Germany there are several places where you can get it done. Just MAKE SURE they have the type of oil you need. I wouldn't give it much thought until around 1800 miles, personally.
What is the criteria you used to select this number? BMW engineers determined that the break-in service should be done at 1200 miles. You have somehow decided that 1800 is optimum so this number must have come from somewhere. What data did you use or did you just pull this number out of your ass? Just curious.
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No need to get testy or split hairs, I would think the engineers did not actually determine 1200 and not 1175 or 1225 was the optimum based on solid data, there is likely a level of arbitrariness and a likely compromise to the conservative side when coming up with this number. Yes 1200 is in the manual, and yes is what I would prefer to do, everybody gets that, but I think going up to 1600-1800 without revving it up is reasonable and I don't think anyone, including BMW engineers can blame an engine problem at 100k to a 1200 mile service done 300 or 500 miles to late. So with that said, while in Provence I will not sweat it and spend the time sipping some Côte du Rhone red instead. Life is too short to fret over a couple hundred miles.

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What is the criteria you used to select this number? BMW engineers determined that the break-in service should be done at 1200 miles. You have somehow decided that 1800 is optimum so this number must have come from somewhere. What data did you use or did you just pull this number out of your ass? Just curious.
I would assume memorizing the manual would lend you to have basic reading comprehension skills.

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I was stressing about it as well...
I hit 1400 miles without changing it... although in Germany there are several places where you can get it done. Just MAKE SURE they have the type of oil you need. I wouldn't give it much thought until around 1800 miles, personally.
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I realize this is not exactly what you were asking about, but it wasn't too much of a hassle to get the service done on my wife's e92 M3. We stopped at a dealer in Bolzano without an appointment, explained our situation to the service manager, dropped the car off and went to lunch, and when we came back the service was done. We had to pay for it out of pocket, but when we came back to the US all we had to do was scan a copy of the bill and send it to our sales guy, and we had a check in about 3 weeks.

YMMV, and I guess it depends on how many more miles you are going to put on the car and how hard you want to drive it (we still had another 1000 miles to go).
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I realize this is not exactly what you were asking about, but it wasn't too much of a hassle to get the service done on my wife's e92 M3. We stopped at a dealer in Bolzano without an appointment, explained our situation to the service manager, dropped the car off and went to lunch, and when we came back the service was done. We had to pay for it out of pocket, but when we came back to the US all we had to do was scan a copy of the bill and send it to our sales guy, and we had a check in about 3 weeks.

YMMV, and I guess it depends on how many more miles you are going to put on the car and how hard you want to drive it (we still had another 1000 miles to go).
How much was the service out of pocket?
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How much was the service out of pocket?
It was a little over $500 (July 2010).
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I found myself in the same predicament last fall when I picked up my M3. I searched many posts and found service centers on my route if the need arose. This is what I found…

• This service needs to be done prior to 2000 miles, otherwise BMW does not care what the odometer reads
• Most service centers will require 4 hours to do the service
• Some centers will not have the correct oil/diff oil on hand (usually the smaller locations) and will need to order when you make an appointment
• You can contact the service centers yourself which might be a little iffy, or you can have the very helpful advisors at the Welt do it in case there is a language barrier
• You will be limited to the break-in revs and speed until you make the service
• If you get the service done by a center that is not as familiar with the M3’s oil sensor then you also run the risk of them under or overfilling. This happened to me here in the US and was a large hassle. It would stand to reason that this would be a significant complication if it happened in Europe.

I plan on keeping my car till the day I die. I also plan on changing the oil every 5000 miles. I did not get the service done until delivery in the US because I only ended up putting just under 1600 miles on the car. My plan for the trip was longer, but with an early October storm that hit the Alps, the trip was modified and the service was no longer needed. I had service centers at the ready in case I needed them, but since I was less than a few hundred over it was not worth the hassle of coordinating the times and cites required. My trip however was very fluid and free spirited and this may not be your inclination. Enjoy your trip and your new car.
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If you do not have the service done by 2400 miles, and get proof into the BMW Maintainence Computer, the car WILL NOT be eligible for CPO. That only applies to automobiles and does not apply to X5Ms or X6Ms. See 4.2.5
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I found myself in the same predicament last fall when I picked up my M3. I searched many posts and found service centers on my route if the need arose. This is what I found…

• This service needs to be done prior to 2000 miles, otherwise BMW does not care what the odometer reads
• Most service centers will require 4 hours to do the service
• Some centers will not have the correct oil/diff oil on hand (usually the smaller locations) and will need to order when you make an appointment
• You can contact the service centers yourself which might be a little iffy, or you can have the very helpful advisors at the Welt do it in case there is a language barrier
You will be limited to the break-in revs and speed until you make the service
• If you get the service done by a center that is not as familiar with the M3’s oil sensor then you also run the risk of them under or overfilling. This happened to me here in the US and was a large hassle. It would stand to reason that this would be a significant complication if it happened in Europe.

I plan on keeping my car till the day I die. I also plan on changing the oil every 5000 miles. I did not get the service done until delivery in the US because I only ended up putting just under 1600 miles on the car. My plan for the trip was longer, but with an early October storm that hit the Alps, the trip was modified and the service was no longer needed. I had service centers at the ready in case I needed them, but since I was less than a few hundred over it was not worth the hassle of coordinating the times and cites required. My trip however was very fluid and free spirited and this may not be your inclination. Enjoy your trip and your new car.
Does that mean you will be limited to 130mph (or whatever lower top speed) if you haven't perform this service on the M3 (or any M vehicle)?
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If you do not have the service done by 2400 miles, and get proof into the BMW Maintainence Computer, the car WILL NOT be eligible for CPO. That only applies to automobiles and does not apply to X5Ms or X6Ms. See 4.2.5
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Does that mean you will be limited to 130mph (or whatever lower top speed) if you haven't perform this service on the M3 (or any M vehicle)?
Yes, that is what I was advised. So that means less than 105 mph and 5500 rpm's until the service. This is for the M3, I am not familiar with other M's and I suspect they may be different because this is the last of the naturally aspirated versions.
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Yes, that is what I was advised. So that means less than 105 mph and 5500 rpm's until the service. This is for the M3, I am not familiar with other M's and I suspect they may be different because this is the last of the naturally aspirated versions.
I understand that's the advise from Welt (or BMW), but what I mean is, do they "physically" or put some kind of programming limit for the top speed at like 130mph? Anyone pick up an M3 or M5 (or any M vehicle) via ED an answer?
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I understand that's the advise from Welt (or BMW), but what I mean is, do they "physically" or put some kind of programming limit for the top speed at like 130mph? Anyone pick up an M3 or M5 (or any M vehicle) via ED an answer?
Nope . Only the standard limiter around 155-160mph for the M5 as we don't get the option for the M package which also include unlimited top speed

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Nope . Only the standard limiter around 155-160mph for the M5 as we don't get the option for the M package which also include unlimited top speed

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Looking at getting the service done in Monaco. I'm doing ED coming up at the end of the trip and its just about then when I'll hit 1,200.

Does anyone know if the service can be performed before hitting 1,200? Or does it have to reach 1,200+?
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OK, anyone had M3 ED previously can chip in?
This is what is advised, and up to you to adhear to. There is no adjustment to the CPU regarding top speed or rpm limitation that imposes these recomendations. You can find other posts of those going over the recomendations while on the autobahn.
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