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Old 02-06-2013, 12:53 AM
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This is an eBay brake review. I know the main concerns are safety (cracks) and performance. Other than that, just will it rust? So here we go, I bought them on 09/29/12 from seller brakemotive76 on Ebay. They have about 7000+ miles on them, self-installed, and driven pretty hard. I think this matter so I'm going to say it, I'm in Arkansas and we have a LOT of hilly, curvy country roads, random full speed to stop highway traffic and downtown is just stupid, so these brakes have been through it. I also drove to Moreno Valley, CA and back.

"[FRONT + REAR] PERFORMANCE DRILLED SLOTTED BRAKE ROTORS AND PADS"

I use to have OEM blank rotors and nothing was wrong with them, I just needed pads. I saw the brakes and was a little curious so I got them for $158, free shipping. Compared to OEM rotors and pads, they are an upgrade. You lose a little when it comes to fast full stops (not that noticeable) but gain in "Hot" braking situations, if that makes sense. They are smooth when cruising but has a very good bite. I haven't see any rust but then again I'm in Arkansas (got salt?), we have had a lot of rain and it snowed (more than normal) and the car has sat for a week but still no rust. Now yes, rust on the brake pad contact surface but we all know that is normal. No cracks and still no noticeable wear on the rotors. The pads also still have a lot of go in them. Also no sqeeeeeek.

Now to clear some things up, I know BMW forums have a lot of "purist" and people who believe, "higher price, better quality", and people who say, (serious voice) "why would you cheap out on something like that?" Fact is, I've personally see OEM and Brembo blanks crack, better yet, the Brembo were 4 months old (daily driven). Any brand, style, and price rotors can crack or worst. Why they crack do NOT matter, they are still cracked. To believe that something cheaper will break faster is silly. "Well, you got lucky" and you woke up this morning, feeling lucky, aren't you. Rather it's cheap or high-priced, the risk is still the same, and something can go wrong. My friends has tracked his car (e36 328iS) 4 times since he got the same rotors, he replaced the pads twice. Anyone who tracks know, not bad. He also has Raceland Ultimo coilovers (two years old), try to tell him, he has junk. He'll prove you wrong very quick. (ok.. so what, still junk )

Are slotted, drilled or both worth it? It's up to you. Do you like to speed through country back roads or just ride slow and enjoy the breeze? Or maybe you just want to add a little more style; it's really up to want you want or looking for. For me, I like all of the above and these brakes help me get home safely every time.

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Old 02-06-2013, 06:21 AM
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The only time I would consider these is with a series of side by side tests breaking from 60-0. Not one test, many.

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Old 02-06-2013, 07:52 AM
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The only time I would consider these is with a series of side by side tests breaking from 60-0. Not one test, many.

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I'm glad you've had a positive experience with your purchase, but this is 100% anecdotal.

Also:

Break = when something falls apart.
Brake = what stops a car.

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I'm glad you've had a positive experience with your purchase, but this is 100% anecdotal.

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Break = when something falls apart.
Brake = what stops a car.

Most reviews are 100% "anecdotal".

Oh and I see what you mean lol, I'm going to fix it now. I wrote this at 3 in the morning but still, no excuse.
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Break = when something falls apart.
Brake = what stops a car.

I think I fixed all the breaks and brakes.

Wait... omg.. I did it to the topic name.

Edit: Okay, got all the breaks and brakes.

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Old 02-06-2013, 09:20 AM
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Most reviews are 100% "anecdotal".
Which is why most reviews don't offer much to the reader. Nevertheless, if they don't squeal or produce tons of dust, that's pretty much all that people care about on a street car.
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Cool, less confused now.

I think you're a bit crazy, and rationalizing. I also get disgusted by folks saying "I bought eBay ____, they're awesome."

eBay is not a brand. eBay does not sell anything. eBay is a service for folks to sell their crap online. You probably bought a product from someone selling that product on eBay. If you don't supply more information, no one is going to know what the hell you're talking about.


Moving on. Drilled and slotted brake rotors provide less braking power than blanks, unless the blanks are overheated. You're putting your life at risk (and others around you) by using them. I seriously doubt any over-land condition you put your BMW in will make effective use of the new rotors. Are you racing at the track? No? Don't use them, then.

You're also chewing through pads at a higher rate due to all the surface changes the pad experiences. You're definitely losing money there.

The only other reason to get these is for the 'cool' factor. If that's worth the extra risk, brake pad wear, and money, then by all means, have at it.
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Which is why most reviews don't offer much to the reader. Nevertheless, if they don't squeal or produce tons of dust, that's pretty much all that people care about on a street car.
When I can a chance, there is a app called "Car Performance". I will use it to get some numbers and add them to the review. I know a lot of car reviewers use it and works well. If someone else with OEM rotors would like to do the same, even better.
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Cool, less confused now.

I think you're a bit crazy, and rationalizing. I also get disgusted by folks saying "I bought eBay ____, they're awesome."

eBay is not a brand. eBay does not sell anything. eBay is a service for folks to sell their crap online. You probably bought a product from someone selling that product on eBay. If you don't supply more information, no one is going to know what the hell you're talking about.
I know this but most think eBay = Bad and once they see eBay, that is all that matters. Simply search the breaks on eBay and you will see the brand " brakemotive".


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Moving on. Drilled and slotted brake rotors provide less braking power than blanks, unless the blanks are overheated. You're putting your life at risk (and others around you) by using them. I seriously doubt any over-land condition you put your BMW in will make effective use of the new rotors. Are you racing at the track? No? Don't use them, then.

You're also chewing through pads at a higher rate due to all the surface changes the pad experiences. You're definitely losing money there.

The only other reason to get these is for the 'cool' factor. If that's worth the extra risk, brake pad wear, and money, then by all means, have at it.
I'm pretty sure I stated that they have not worn the pads yet and my friend used up two set after 4 days of tracking(normal). The amount of braking power lost is small, not "oh no, I'm going to hit this old lady". I've always had a problem with brake fade with blanks in MY case. Which comes the my last point and the reason for the last part of the review, it depends on what you want them for. For me, I like that I can drive quickly through a country road like the back woods of Sherwood,AR and come to a down hill 80 degree turn at 60 mph and feel no fade or jerks. So I have to wonder if you understand that everyone situation and have you used slotted and drilled on a daily car? Because if so, how long did the pads last?

When the pads or rotors go bad, I will update asap.
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In a way I am kind of glad to see this thread. Based on a number of factors, none related to the use of said sellers product nor eBay, I panned this product. I suggested to the OP to give them a try if so inclined because I didn't think they would kill them and they where so darn cheap then if they don't work throw them away.

Either way, thanks for the feedback.

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Cool, less confused now.

I think you're a bit crazy, and rationalizing. I also get disgusted by folks saying "I bought eBay ____, they're awesome."

eBay is not a brand. eBay does not sell anything. eBay is a service for folks to sell their crap online. You probably bought a product from someone selling that product on eBay. If you don't supply more information, no one is going to know what the hell you're talking about.


Moving on. Drilled and slotted brake rotors provide less braking power than blanks, unless the blanks are overheated. You're putting your life at risk (and others around you) by using them. I seriously doubt any over-land condition you put your BMW in will make effective use of the new rotors. Are you racing at the track? No? Don't use them, then.

You're also chewing through pads at a higher rate due to all the surface changes the pad experiences. You're definitely losing money there.

The only other reason to get these is for the 'cool' factor. If that's worth the extra risk, brake pad wear, and money, then by all means, have at it.
Yes, no and depends.

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I know this but most think eBay = Bad and once they see eBay, that is all that matters. Simply search the breaks on eBay and you will see the brand " brakemotive".




I'm pretty sure I stated that they have not worn the pads yet and my friend used up two set after 4 days of tracking(normal). The amount of braking power lost is small, not "oh no, I'm going to hit this old lady". I've always had a problem with brake fade with blanks in MY case. Which comes the my last point and the reason for the last part of the review, it depends on what you want them for. For me, I like that I can drive quickly through a country road like the back woods of Sherwood,AR and come to a down hill 80 degree turn at 60 mph and feel no fade or jerks. So I have to wonder if you understand that everyone situation and have you used slotted and drilled on a daily car? Because if so, how long did the pads last?

When the pads or rotors go bad, I will update asap.
Brakemotive, gotcha. Cool.


There is something wrong with your braking system if you experience brake fade on the stock rotors off the track.
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The stock rotors are excellent on the track. It all comes down to pad selection and fluid. The rotors have never been a limiting factor in these cars.
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This was my thread on new brakes.

Blast from the past!
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This was my thread on new brakes.

Blast from the past!
Exactly what I run on my BMW. My father when faced with the same decision on his BMW presented my recommendation to his BMW purist mechanic, who initially balked at the akebonos. He now offers them as a low dust alternative with his customers.

Sorry OP, off topic. On topic, good deals can indeed be had and it has a lot to do with perception and expectations.
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"So I have to wonder if you understand that everyone situation and have you used slotted and drilled on a daily car? Because if so, how long did the pads last?"

I have them on my 98 volvo v70 awd turbo for about 20-30k and they are still doing great and looking brand new.
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I'm going to add in my experience on ebay brakes:

On my first car, a 325i,I bought those same ebay brakes for my car. Drilled and slotted rotors, and ceramic pads. Couldn't beat the price. My father bought those same brakes for my Mother's X3, and for our E30 race car (Lemons granted)

(Spirited driving/DD) On my car they shimmy under hard braking. They squeal VERY loud. but on and off. The stopping power is actually good comparing it to stock. Brake dust is decent.
(DD) On my mothers car, despite proper breaking in procedure, they chronicly squeak and squeal to an unbearable level. No comparison for stopping power. Brake dust is decent.
(Racing) What a bad idea, trust me, don't do it. We went through the pads into the metal in a race. Stopping power is a joke, brake fade is enormous.

In the end I'd say spend the little extra and get a better setup. For my new 328i I got much better quality stuff, because if there is a place to not cheap out.... it's the brakes.

P.S. Most of the generic parts found on ebay are cheapy made in China with little to no quality control. These manufactures sell it to cheap companies that all sell it to the massess on ebay. When I say I have ebay _______'s, I'm saying it's some cheap Chinese replica. And the quality almost always reflects it.

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I'm going to add in my experience on ebay brakes:

On my first car, a 325i,I bought those same ebay brakes for my car. Drilled and slotted rotors, and ceramic pads. Couldn't beat the price. My father bought those same brakes for my Mother's X3, and for our E30 race car (Lemons granted)

(Spirited driving/DD) On my car they shimmy under hard braking. They squeal VERY loud. but on and off. The stopping power is actually good comparing it to stock. Brake dust is decent.
(DD) On my mothers car, despite proper breaking in procedure, they chronicly squeak and squeal to an unbearable level. No comparison for stopping power. Brake dust is decent.
(Racing) What a bad idea, trust me, don't do it. We went through the pads into the metal in a race. Stopping power is a joke, brake fade is enormous.

In the end I'd say spend the little extra and get a better setup. For my new 328i I got much better quality stuff, because if there is a place to not cheap out.... it's the brakes.
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience. My friend and I haven't had the same problems at all. I've never heard them squeak. Were they self-install or shop? Not questioning the work but maybe it was something else going on. And the racing and spirited part is weird to me. I guess it was is a hit and miss. I never feel any shaking or fading and no squeal. I'm very puzzled.
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Petriej... we talked about this already. Does everyone know what we mean by eBay brakes by you?

Ok everyone, for Petriej, please use the brand name even though they are mostly sold and bought on eBay.
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The term "eBay" is a pejorative at this point, and refers to anything sold on eBay which isn't manufactured by a name-brand company. Pretty much just a basic term which is applied to cheapo stuff.

Thanks for sharing your experience, Jakobie. It provides evidence of what I suspected all along. Cheapo rotors are known for having poor metallurgical properties, as well as inferior venting and less thickness.
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if you're going to talk about "ebay" brakes, you have to specify the company that supplies them. Not all ebay suppliers are the same. These are my experiences with "brakemotive"

I ran "brakemotive" brakes on my 88 corvette. They were very inexpensive compared to going with "name brand" brakes. I used the ceramic pads that came with them. Install was easy, everything fit correctly. I bed them in using their suggestions, and had no issues with them when driven aggressively, or in stop and go traffic. They stop well, and mine didn't squeak/squeal at all. Absolutely no noise. My favorite point about the brakes was the low dust. Mine wheels stayed 10x cleaner, and the dust wasn't hard to clean off at all. They come zinc coated as well, so they look a lot better. Zinc coated brembos are much more expensive.

the only bad thing I've heard about them is the longevity of the rotors. I've heard of a few corvette guys that run them and have had them crack(though a relatively low #). I can't speak to longevity as I only had about 1k miles on them.

Would I run them again? Maybe. I know i wouldn't track them, because of the low cost/drilling/slots. I think they're a good, cheap alternative and plenty of guys have run them with success.

Here's pics of the rotor

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I ran "brakemotive" brakes on my 88 corvette. They were very inexpensive compared to going with "name brand" brakes. I used the ceramic pads that came with them. Install was easy, everything fit correctly. I bed them in using their suggestions, and had no issues with them when driven aggressively, or in stop and go traffic. They stop well, and mine didn't squeak/squeal at all. Absolutely no noise. My favorite point about the brakes was the low dust. Mine wheels stayed 10x cleaner, and the dust wasn't hard to clean off at all. They come zinc coated as well, so they look a lot better. Zinc coated brembos are much more expensive.

the only bad thing I've heard about them is the longevity of the rotors. I've heard of a few corvette guys that run them and have had them crack(though a relatively low #). I can't speak to longevity as I only had about 1k miles on them.

Would I run them again? Maybe. I know i wouldn't track them, because of the low cost/drilling/slots. I think they're a good, cheap alternative and plenty of guys have run them with success.

Here's pics of the rotor

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