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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:28 AM
MotoWPK MotoWPK is offline
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128 newbie - advise on used purchase

Hello 128 fans.

Have owned our first BMW, a 2013 328xi, for about three months and love it. For a couple of years I've pondered buying a 128 convertible, which would replace my 2009 VW Jetta TDI.

Didn't want to spend a lot on this so have considered slightly used. Found a potential candidate that is a bit older than preferred, 2008, but mileage is low at 25,000 miles. It's silver with a black interior, manual, looks and runs great. Dealer (not BMW) is asking $21,750.

A couple of questions for all of you with 128 experience:
1) Anything concerns of note with this model year?
2) Any comments on the age, going on 5 years, or mileage?
3) Kelly Blue Book indicates used retail of about $26K, CarFax indicates the car is priced about $2200 over retail. That's confusing - any comment on the asking price?
4) For a sporty, top down car a manual is my preference, but the CA at the dealer where we purchased our 328 indicates about 70% of vehicles they sell are autos and when it comes time to sell you'll lose about 70% of the market. This generally jives with my search which shows used 128 autos being about 4 out of 5 of those available. Any comment on difficulting in selling a 128 manual in the future compared to an auto (of course my first priority is how I want the car equipped)?
5) Finally, this car having originally come from CA, it's an SULEV version, something we don't usually have here in CO. Anything of concern with an SULEV vs the more normal variant?

Thanks in advance for the input.

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Old 02-09-2013, 01:55 PM
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1. The first couple of years of production has a serious issue with valve train noise. Make sure the car was built after 11/08 (probably not, or it would be a MY 2009), or have a BMW dealer confirm that the necessary upgrades were performed (replacing the cylinder head). If you give them the VIN, they can look it up.
2. Not really. The mileage is low, that's more important IMHO.
3. www.nadaguides.com This is what 99% of dealers use to price their cars. Make sure it jives with what they're asking.
4. Manuals are a niche. When it comes time to sell there will certainly be fewer potential buyers but the selling price should not be significantly different. FWIW, I'm one of these types. I will search far and wide for a car with a manual and pay a fair price for it.
5. The SULEV engine (code named "N51") has more equipment installed to bring down the emissions without sacrificing the power. Theoretically, there's more stuff to break. But, you should still consider it fairly reliable when compared to the non-SULEV engines (code named "N52"). If it makes you feel any better, I have a SULEV 128i manual, and it doesn't keep me up at night.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:56 PM
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Can you please elaborate on the "valve train noise" issue? Just curious...relatively new '08 128 owner here/6MT sport package. Purchased CPO at 35k miles..I'm now at 40k (traded '05 E46 for it). Thought I was pretty thorough in my research..no chronic issues jumped out at me but now I'm a bit concerned?! Thanks!
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Old 02-10-2013, 02:07 AM
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the huge thing is how well has it been taken care of and what the car fax shows and make sure all recalls have been fixed

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Old 02-10-2013, 04:39 AM
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Can you please elaborate on the "valve train noise" issue? Just curious...relatively new '08 128 owner here/6MT sport package. Purchased CPO at 35k miles..I'm now at 40k (traded '05 E46 for it). Thought I was pretty thorough in my research..no chronic issues jumped out at me but now I'm a bit concerned?! Thanks!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N52 See "Hydraulic Valve Adjuster problems" (N51 shares the same design as N52)

Chances are your CPO had the issue corrected prior to your purchase. I can't imagine it would pass the rigorous inspection otherwise.
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:07 AM
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I have a 2008 128 convertible with about approx 26k miles. It's my wife's daily driver and its been trouble free. We do have the valve ticking occasionally if the car is started repeatedly and not warmed up in between starts. A quick 1 mile drive on the highway and the noise goes away. Oddly enough regular use of gas treatment, say every 3k miles or so keeps the noise away. Makes me wonder if it is related to a sticky valve.

Anyway the 128 is a fun car to drive and so far it's been reliable.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:18 AM
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Interestingly, as I was standing outside the vehicle as the salesman started it, I did take note of what sounded like hydraulic valve lifter noise, matching the description of the 'Hydraulic Valve Adjuster' issue symptom. Did not take note upon the return from my ~20 minute test drive to see if it was still there with the engine up to operating temperature.

A recall has been referred to for this issue but is that really the case? From my reading there is TSB on it, but I have yet to see an actual recall. Coincidentally, I visited BMW NA's website recall page (http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...er/recall.aspx) the other day and input the last 7 digits of the VIN of our 2013 328. I just visited the site again with the intention of inputting the last 7 of the 128's VIN, but now the page comes up with a list of recall, certainly only recently issued ones, with the field to enter the VIN last 7 digits not available.

Turns out the 128 I'm considering was CPO'd by the local BMW dealer (where I recently purchased our 328), so I can talk with them about the recall history of the vehicle.

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Old 02-10-2013, 01:57 PM
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Thanks..will inquire about the "valve train noise" issue next time it's in for service..no evidence of the problem so indeed hoping caught under CPO inspection, but who knows. That's why I go CPO!
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:26 AM
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Let me take this a bit further and ask about the value vs age and miles.

Below are all the used 128 convertibles I can find within 100 miles of me:

'08, 25K miles, $22K (6MT) - non-BMW dealer - this was the one in my OP
'12, 8K miles, $35K (auto) - BMW dealer
'08, 56K miles, $18.5K (auto) - private

The relatively modest price difference between the first and third leads me to think the first is the clear preference given it's half the miles.

The second is about $13K more than the first, or about 50% higher price, but is almost a new vehicle, being only one model year old and having only 8K miles.

The second is actually a bit more than I was looking to spend, and it is an auto vs 6MT, but based on previous searches over the past year I think if I was patient and keep looking a 2010/2011 with 10K to 20K miles will probably turn up in the $27K to $32K range. These would also have some full warranty coverage left.

From the specific perspective of the examples I can currently find in the area, and they are few, to the more general perspective of what I've seen in the market, I'm wondering if an '08 with 25K miles is a good value or if something newer, even with similar miles, would be a better value even at the expected higher price.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:50 AM
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I'd wait like u said I've seen them out there for 27 look for manuals their prices are low since most don't want them anymore you can bargain harder on them.I'm a few months out from picking one out myself def take time to enjoy the experience

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Old 02-13-2013, 07:18 AM
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The 2012 seems quite high if it just a 128i vice a 135i. As a point of reference I am selling my 2013 135i convertible with under 2k miles for the low $40s, with most of its warranty remaining.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:27 PM
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The 2012 seems quite high if it just a 128i vice a 135i. As a point of reference I am selling my 2013 135i convertible with under 2k miles for the low $40s, with most of its warranty remaining.
good luck i know its hard to unload without losing a ton of money

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Old 04-21-2013, 08:27 AM
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Sorry to raise an old thread, but I wanted to expand on something the OP touched on. I'm looking at 128s as well and have found a nice silver 6sp Sport Package with 31k miles for around $22k. It looks like a nice car but it's not at a BMW dealer and the pictures of the car that they have are from last May (11 months ago). I wonder why the car is not CPO at a BMW dealer....
http://www.diamondmotorworks.com/det...d-8805745.html
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:22 AM
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Sorry to raise an old thread, but I wanted to expand on something the OP touched on. I'm looking at 128s as well and have found a nice silver 6sp Sport Package with 31k miles for around $22k. It looks like a nice car but it's not at a BMW dealer and the pictures of the car that they have are from last May (11 months ago). I wonder why the car is not CPO at a BMW dealer....
http://www.diamondmotorworks.com/det...d-8805745.html
they probably took off the cpo. before this dealer bought it at auction. google the vin and see what comes up.pics from that long ago would make me nervous .plus the 4 year warranty is almost up. at about 50k you have to start looking at things and you'd have to get the car fax to see what recalls have been and haven't been done 2009 had a few recalls and some other issues
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