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Old 02-11-2013, 11:11 AM
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BMW 4 Series - One of Six Worst in Detroit Car Show

I'm not familiar with The Fiscal Times, but they didn't think much of BMW's 4 Series effort.

"BMW has been known for its eye-catching, futuristic designs: think the i8 concept used in the Mission Impossible movie. So to see this car, a mere extension of the 3 Series, was a downer. The company proclaims that it is easily differentiated from the 3 Series, but that's hard to decipher in looking at the car, which has a very basic design."

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That is a silly criticism.

The oems do concept cars and then they do lightly veiled previews of near production launches. Plenty of companies do this. The i8 is a concept car, the 4 is a production car preview, notice the underpinnings and full interior as its largely production car based. There will likely be an i8 at a show that I'll be nearly production based as well, again it wont be as exciting as a full on concept car, but that is not the point.
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That is a silly criticism.

The oems do concept cars and then they do lightly veiled previews of near production launches. Plenty of companies do this. The i8 is a concept car, the 4 is a production car preview, notice the underpinnings and full interior as its largely production car based. There will likely be an i8 at a show that I'll be nearly production based as well, again it wont be as exciting as a full on concept car, but that is not the point.
I think they were saying that the 4 Series just looks like a 3 Series with 2 doors. I'm not sure that I agree with them, but they are entitled to their opinions.

The Audi A/S5 has a more agressive profile as compared to the Audi A/S4, for example.

I personally don't understand why anyone needs a separate Series to denote the difference between a sedan and a coupe? I can only surmise that Audi did it because the engine options were initially different in the coupe versus the sedan.

I guess they were hoping for more of a creative effort from BMW to differentiate the 4 Series from the 3 Series?
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I think they were saying that the 4 Series just looks like a 3 Series with 2 doors. I'm not sure that I agree with them, but they are entitled to their opinions.

The Audi A/S5 has a more agressive profile as compared to the Audi A/S4, for example.

I personally don't understand why anyone needs a separate Series to denote the difference between a sedan and a coupe? I can only surmise that Audi did it because the engine options were initially different in the coupe versus the sedan.

I guess they were hoping for more of a creative effort from BMW to differentiate the 4 Series from the 3 Series?
Well, it IS a 3 series with 2 doors.

The issue is with BMW renaming things.

BMW has always charged a small premium going from sedan to coupe.

BMW is now trying to justify that, perhaps with an even higher price tag with the new numbering. I guess they see Audi get away with it in regards to the A4 becoming the A5 when loosing doors.

328/335, well 4 is a higher number so that means people see it as a higher level lol.

I think it's a bit silly. M3, M4, 328, 428, and now 1 series and 2 series. It's all ridiculous.

But the article is silly. I think the guy got caught up in thinking this is a real concept car. BMW has been referring to near production launches as "concepts" for years now. It's not the same as a concept car launch with something that is 5+ years away from being a production car.
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I liked how Mercedes did it with the SEL (sedan), SEC (coupe), SL (convertible). Now, I can't figure out what the heck they have going?
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I liked how Mercedes did it with the SEL (sedan), SEC (coupe), SL (convertible). Now, I can't figure out what the heck they have going?
Well, things just made more sense then and are now far more convoluted.


I find BMWs new model confusing, too much overlap and too many Niche vehicles.

You have the X6 and X5, where isn't an X6 an X5 but with less practicality than an X5?

Every car, like the F30, does it need sedan(F30) wagon(F31) GT (F34) Coupe(F32) and HARDTOP convertible (F33) AND Grand Coupe(F3?)

I read a magazine review that said the 6 series GC was great and should have been the 5 series to begin with.

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It actually looks pretty good but they should have at least changed the headlight design to make it look different from the 3 series.
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Well, it IS a 3 series with 2 doors.

The issue is with BMW renaming things.

BMW has always charged a small premium going from sedan to coupe.

BMW is now trying to justify that, perhaps with an even higher price tag with the new numbering. I guess they see Audi get away with it in regards to the A4 becoming the A5 when loosing doors.

328/335, well 4 is a higher number so that means people see it as a higher level lol.

I think it's a bit silly. M3, M4, 328, 428, and now 1 series and 2 series. It's all ridiculous.

But the article is silly. I think the guy got caught up in thinking this is a real concept car. BMW has been referring to near production launches as "concepts" for years now. It's not the same as a concept car launch with something that is 5+ years away from being a production car.
The German naming conventions all make very good sense except for the use of displacement that doesn't correspond any longer. But a 3-7 series makes perfect logical sense. You know what each one is.

Audi showed the way with the 5 versus the 4 and it's been very effective. It is a totally different car.

And the 4 series is not a 3 series with 2 doors so again this makes sense.

The German cars all make sense with the AX, x-series, and x-class type classifications. All very logical and easy to match up. Benz put its A5 or 4 series fighter car in as an E class coupe and that is different than the rest. Interesting to see if they stick with that. I imagine you will see a real and proper larger coupe built down the road and not an E based on a C chassis. The c coupe is literally a c sedan with 2 doors missing. Benz is hurting here. Making your base sedan and coupe different is a great way to drive sales to both.

The trouble is the displacement part of the naming. That clearly doesn't match up any longer but the series and numbering system is far better than any alternative. I like it.
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Interesting title. So the 4 series is not one of those cars that make you look again? That's tough for me to swallow. Of course it's one of those cars that you have to see in person, so pictures do it no justice. It looks to me (pictures) like a car that would make you stop by from a distance. I'm thinking with all the trademarks BMW uses, they would run out of ideas on certain parts of their cars.
But when you look at the Porsche 911, BMW coupes should have no problem.
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The German naming conventions all make very good sense except for the use of displacement that doesn't correspond any longer. But a 3-7 series makes perfect logical sense. You know what each one is.

Audi showed the way with the 5 versus the 4 and it's been very effective. It is a totally different car.

And the 4 series is not a 3 series with 2 doors so again this makes sense.

The German cars all make sense with the AX, x-series, and x-class type classifications. All very logical and easy to match up. Benz put its A5 or 4 series fighter car in as an E class coupe and that is different than the rest. Interesting to see if they stick with that. I imagine you will see a real and proper larger coupe built down the road and not an E based on a C chassis. The c coupe is literally a c sedan with 2 doors missing. Benz is hurting here. Making your base sedan and coupe different is a great way to drive sales to both.

The trouble is the displacement part of the naming. That clearly doesn't match up any longer but the series and numbering system is far better than any alternative. I like it.
Well displacement correlating to numeric naming has been abandoned for awhile which is said as I enjoyed it.

But when you state the 4 series is not a 3 series with two doors, I do not really agree with.

An E92 is an E90 with two less doors correct? They shared sheetmetal, but plenty was unique, same with the interior, and the drivetrains were identical between the two.

The F32 is an F30 with two less doors. They will share some sheetmetal and interior and identical drivetrains just as the E90/E92 did. The change now is one is called the 3 series and the other the 4 series.

So this treatment is not unique as it was done with the E36/E46/E90 etc, only now is the numerical naming different. Audi used to have A4 sedans and A4 cabrio's were the two door variety. Then the 2dr A4 was dropped and replaced by the A5 in cabrio and of course as a coupe. BMW just seems to be copying that ploy is all.
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Interesting title. So the 4 series is not one of those cars that make you look again? That's tough for me to swallow. Of course it's one of those cars that you have to see in person, so pictures do it no justice. It looks to me (pictures) like a car that would make you stop by from a distance. I'm thinking with all the trademarks BMW uses, they would run out of ideas on certain parts of their cars.
But when you look at the Porsche 911, BMW coupes should have no problem.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I'm not sure if your comment is a slam on how a Porsche 911 looks, but it is considered by most car enthusiasts to be an icon.

I was not slamming the new 4 Series BMW, and in fact I like it. But, time will tell if history ever judges it to be the industry standard by which all others are compared?
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That 4 series concept looked drop dead gorgeous to me. Unless it loses a lot in the translation from picture to reality, I don't agree with this article at all.
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Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I'm not sure if your comment is a slam on how a Porsche 911 looks, but it is considered by most car enthusiasts to be an icon.

I was not slamming the new 4 Series BMW, and in fact I like it. But, time will tell if history ever judges it to be the industry standard by which all others are compared?
Ohh absolutely not slamming the 911. It's an iconic car and that's an issue because you wonder how can a car retain its iconic shape and still gets the praise each generation. The 3 or 4 now coupe has no drastic change and gets criticized. There's not too much to change when there's something going for you. Another classic is the Nissan/Datsun Z. There's a shape that one expects with each generation and any changes would kill the enthusiasts.
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Ohh absolutely not slamming the 911. It's an iconic car and that's an issue because you wonder how can a car retain its iconic shape and still gets the praise each generation. The 3 or 4 now coupe has no drastic change and gets criticized. There's not too much to change when there's something going for you. Another classic is the Nissan/Datsun Z. There's a shape that one expects with each generation and any changes would kill the enthusiasts.
The Porsche 911 traditionalists are making similar comments when discussing the new 991 Carrera. The general concensus is that it looks too similar to the Panamera.
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The Porsche 911 traditionalists are making similar comments when discussing the new 991 Carrera. The general concensus is that it looks too similar to the Panamera.
And they complained when the 996 and Boxster looked too much a like.

I never truly lust for the shape of the 911, not until the 991, the longer wheelbase does a lot for me in terms of the proportions.
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When BMW renamed the line from "3" to "4" they set an expectation of something more than what has been shown so far. Nobody looks at a 6-Series and sees it as a 5-Series with a couple doors lopped off. The engines in the 6 are more powerful (at least until next year, when the 5 is rumored to receive the same V8,) and the styling is far more aggressive.

All indications are that the F32 will receive the same engines as the F30, and I have a feeling it will be saddled with the same numb steering and Eco-Pro nonsense that makes the F30 a step backwards as a driver's car. Appearance-wise it's very obviously a 3-Series minus a couple doors.

BMW should have probably revealed the car in Detroit as the "4-Series Preview" instead of the "4-Series Concept" to set expectations at a more realistic level, but they chose not to.
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When BMW renamed the line from "3" to "4" they set an expectation of something more than what has been shown so far. Nobody looks at a 6-Series and sees it as a 5-Series with a couple doors lopped off. The engines in the 6 are more powerful (at least until next year, when the 5 is rumored to receive the same V8,) and the styling is far more aggressive.

All indications are that the F32 will receive the same engines as the F30, and I have a feeling it will be saddled with the same numb steering and Eco-Pro nonsense that makes the F30 a step backwards as a driver's car. Appearance-wise it's very obviously a 3-Series minus a couple doors.

BMW should have probably revealed the car in Detroit as the "4-Series Preview" instead of the "4-Series Concept" to set expectations at a more realistic level, but they chose not to.
Am I missing something, aren't the engines offered in the 6 the same as the 5? You can get a 450hp v8 in both, n55 300hp 6 and 560hp M variants on both. The n20 4 cylinder is 5 series specific though.

I agree completely with your last sentence
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Am I missing something, aren't the engines offered in the 6 the same as the 5? You can get a 450hp v8 in both, n55 300hp 6 and 560hp M variants on both. The n20 4 cylinder is 5 series specific though.

I agree completely with your last sentence
The 640 has a 315hp version of the N55 and the 550 is "only" 400hp for now. The 550 is rumored to be getting the same uprated engine as the 6 for 2014 though.
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The 640 has a 315hp version of the N55 and the 550 is "only" 400hp for now. The 550 is rumored to be getting the same uprated engine as the 6 for 2014 though.
I thought the 315hp rating on the n55 6 series was on paper only. I also had thought the 400hp 550 had been replaced by now lol.

I would also bet the $$ gap of the 5-6 justifies the power increase while the 3-4 gap will be much smaller.

Back in the day, there was always a 5 and 6. The 3 and 4 is a new play.
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What does any of this have to do with cars? They're not automotive journalists, who cares what they think about the BMW 4 Series? Small peanuts. They should stick to writing about "vital fiscal, budgetary, health care and economic issues".
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I'm not familiar with The Fiscal Times, but they didn't think much of BMW's 4 Series effort.

"BMW has been known for its eye-catching, futuristic designs: think the i8 concept used in the Mission Impossible movie. So to see this car, a mere extension of the 3 Series, was a downer. The company proclaims that it is easily differentiated from the 3 Series, but that's hard to decipher in looking at the car, which has a very basic design."

Read more at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/...K8B3UjV0HO4.99
That fiscaltimes.com writer sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about. Comments about the 4-series aside, he slams the IS Sport Sedan as "looking like a muscle car on steroids instead of a classy luxury vehicle." Yes, the car is fugly but if you think a Sports Sedan should be more "class" and less "muscle" you must be an automotive imbecile. Then he slams other manufacturers for making only minor changes to their models...as if he wants all cars to have that Pep Boys Transformers look like a C7.

Also, that Honda Urban SUV looks pretty cool, GTI-style wheels and all.
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The Fiscal Times (TFT) is digital news, opinion and media service devoted to comprehensive quality reporting on vital fiscal, budgetary, health care and economic issues. TFT strives to become one of the most trusted sources of news, opinion, and research on fiscal policy and its effects on the country at large, including business and consumers.
What does any of this have to do with cars? They're not automotive journalists, who cares what they think about the BMW 4 Series? Small peanuts. They should stick to writing about "vital fiscal, budgetary, health care and economic issues".
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