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Old 02-11-2013, 03:07 PM
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Help me choose new wheels

Replace current 19" 331 Sport Wheels with

A. 19" 351 Sport Wheels
B. 20" 373 Sport Wheels


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Old 02-11-2013, 03:33 PM
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out of the two. 373 would be nicer.

Don't you want any aftermarket ones ? what about forged wheels ? hre, bbs ??
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:43 PM
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out of the two. 373 would be nicer.

Don't you want any aftermarket ones ? what about forged wheels ? hre, bbs ??
I don't want to spend $5k on just wheels.

I can get the 351 or 373 with new tires and TPMS for $2-$3k.

I do like some of the non-forged aftermarkets like the Avant 368, but I am not very knowledgable about the quality or fitment.

HRE are sweet but pricey. It s a 5 series, not an Aston Martin.
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Hey Chuck.. Im from San Diego and I have Avant Garde M368 in 20in on my car. I got a great deal on a wheel and tire packge from a shop here in san diego. The price is right in your range.

As for the quality and fit they are pretty good. I've it a few hard dips and what not with no issues. Contact me if you'd like to know more.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:28 PM
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Check out avant garde m310. Good quality and around $1000 or so for 19's set.


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Old 02-11-2013, 06:18 PM
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Hey Chuck.. Im from San Diego and I have Avant Garde M368 in 20in on my car. I got a great deal on a wheel and tire packge from a shop here in san diego. The price is right in your range.

As for the quality and fit they are pretty good. I've it a few hard dips and what not with no issues. Contact me if you'd like to know more.
Those m368's are nice. Any photos on your car?

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Hey Chuck.. Im from San Diego and I have Avant Garde M368 in 20in on my car. I got a great deal on a wheel and tire packge from a shop here in san diego. The price is right in your range.

As for the quality and fit they are pretty good. I've it a few hard dips and what not with no issues. Contact me if you'd like to know more.
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Replace current 19" 331 Sport Wheels with

A. 19" 351 Sport Wheels
B. 20" 373 Sport Wheels


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You live in San Diego? Get the 20's!

373's are nice.

A bunch a years back I decided I liked BMW's and I went and bought a set of Hartge Classics. I've used them on (3) different cars and it's far and away the best "mod" I can think of. Most mods aren't portable and they generally have no resale value.

Anyway - I've gotten so much value out those wheels and they're probably not worth much less than I paid for them. Something to consider...

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Please check my math here.

After doing some research this is what I came up with.

BMW 351 19" wheels weigh about 32lbs
BMW 331 19" wheels must weigh 34-36 lbs because thay have a lot more spokes

Dunlop 19" run flat another 32-34 lbs depending on size (front/back)

Avant Garde M368 20" wheels weigh 27 lbs (low pressure cast)
Michelin PS2 20" tire 27lbs.

Overall weight reduction per corner is 14 lbs (56 lbs total) unsprung weight.

Amazing since I was not even considering forged wheels which could drop another 3-5lbs per corner.

I had no idea Michelins were the lightest tire on the market by far regardless of run flat. Some of those cheap non run flat tires weigh as much as a stinkin run flat

I dare to guess what a 20" BMW 650 373 style wheel weighs, my guess is 35lbs plus another 35lbs of runflat would get me to 70 lbs per corner. This from a $100k sport car car. This would really really screw with my drive quality adding another 6 lbs+ per corner.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:55 AM
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Avant Garde M368 20" wheels
I will admit this is the first aftermarket wheel I have seen that I actually like (this is the first time I've looked it up). They look nice and clean.

Will the 20" x 10" rear wheel size fit the F10 (specifically the 550i xDrive)?

$1,520 for 20" x 8.5" front wheels and 20" x 10" rear wheels seems like a pretty good price.

What size of tire would be needed for these (especially the 20" x 10" rears)?
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:11 AM
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I will admit this is the first aftermarket wheel I have seen that I actually like (this is the first time I've looked it up). They look nice and clean.

Will the 20" x 10" rear wheel size fit the F10 (specifically the 550i xDrive)?

$1,520 for 20" x 8.5" front wheels and 20" x 10" rear wheels seems like a pretty good price.

What size of tire would be needed for these (especially the 20" x 10" rears)?
I am not sure, I will need to speak with the wheel store to find the best size. Whether it be 9, 9.5 or 10 on the rears. But I am sure they can find a size that will work with X drive.
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Here is an excellent web site showing pictures/ specs (including weight)/ compatible vehicles for nearly all the rim designs BMW has put out:

http://www.bmwstylewheels.com

Have you seen the 312s in Ferric Gray on the F10?

I have a wheels + tires set for sale.

Here is what they look like.













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Those wheels look nice - I can see your car is registered in Warsaw, Poland? Please PM me with the price.

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Old 02-16-2013, 04:42 AM
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Hi - sorry about the confusion: all the pictures are mine, except the first pic which is from another member/forum just to show what they look like on the car.

I am in NYC.
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No problem, bro - these F10 cars look equally awesome in Warsaw as they do in Manhattan

PS. But nevertheless, the wheels look gorgeous on an Alpine White F10 !
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You live in San Diego? Get the 20's!

373's are nice.

A bunch a years back I decided I liked BMW's and I went and bought a set of Hartge Classics. I've used them on (3) different cars and it's far and away the best "mod" I can think of. Most mods aren't portable and they generally have no resale value.

Anyway - I've gotten so much value out those wheels and they're probably not worth much less than I paid for them. Something to consider...
That's the road I'm going down right now. I bought two sets (Summer & Winter) of the forged BBS RGRs (19-20lbs each) for my F10 and they will be going on my F13 when it is redelivered.

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I dare to guess what a 20" BMW 650 373 style wheel weighs, my guess is 35lbs plus another 35lbs of runflat would get me to 70 lbs per corner. This from a $100k sport car car. This would really really screw with my drive quality adding another 6 lbs+ per corner.
The stock setup on my X5M weighed 80lbs & 89lbs on the front & rear corners.

I am dropping more than 60-70lbs of unsprung weight on each of my current cars with wheel & tires changes alone.
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Please check my math here.

After doing some research this is what I came up with.

BMW 351 19" wheels weigh about 32lbs
BMW 331 19" wheels must weigh 34-36 lbs because thay have a lot more spokes

Dunlop 19" run flat another 32-34 lbs depending on size (front/back)

Avant Garde M368 20" wheels weigh 27 lbs (low pressure cast)
Michelin PS2 20" tire 27lbs.

Overall weight reduction per corner is 14 lbs (56 lbs total) unsprung weight.

Amazing since I was not even considering forged wheels which could drop another 3-5lbs per corner.

I had no idea Michelins were the lightest tire on the market by far regardless of run flat. Some of those cheap non run flat tires weigh as much as a stinkin run flat

I dare to guess what a 20" BMW 650 373 style wheel weighs, my guess is 35lbs plus another 35lbs of runflat would get me to 70 lbs per corner. This from a $100k sport car car. This would really really screw with my drive quality adding another 6 lbs+ per corner.
Excellent post Chuck. Great information.
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Avant Garde wheels are a great choice. They're low pressure cast and utilize the same manufacturing process as OEM wheels. The Avant Garde M355 20" (F10 M5 style wheels) are a very popular choice among our 5 series customers. The setup that is going to work best is the 20x9.0 ET35 with a 245/35/20 up front and the 20x10.5 ET38 with a 285/30/20 in the rear. This will give you a flush look and will not cause any rubbing issues! Below are a couple more installed pictures of this exact setup on our customer Dr. Darryl Roundy's F10 550i for you to check out!







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Man those are sweet I wish the roads in NY werent so bad with pot holes I would get 20's. I was out today and it was like trying to avoid asteroids, the damn things are allover.
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ModBargins, those wheels look great. May I ask what lowering springs/set-up he is using?
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We'll after much contemplation, I did something I wouldn't think I would do.

I sold my 331 wheels and tires.

I was all set to buy Avant Garde M368 wheels when I came across a great deal on Ebay.

I ended up purchasing a brand new set of BMW 351 wheels with brand new Dunlop runflats off a 2012 535 for $1500. The tires alone cost about $2k installed. Minus what I got for my 331 and tires with 15k miles on them, my net cost was $750. Holy smokes, $750 for brand new OEM tires and wheels.

I simply could not pass up the deal on a set of good looking wheels.

I also went ahead and purchased the BMW OEM F10 spare tire kit. Takes little room in the trunk and costs about the same as those "build your own" solutions people have been talking about. I feel better driving around with a spare. Plus I am ready for when the run flats wear down so that I can easily move to non run flats. Plus I can take the spare tire kit with me to my next car when that day comes.

So as much as I dislike runflats, the pragmatic side of me kicked in and went with the more sensible economic choice.

P.S. If you need tires and want to stick with run flats, consider going online and buying and new set of wheels and tires together from a seller who upgraded their OEM wheels. Then sell your old tires and wheels on eBay. More than likely, taking into account the money you will make selling your old tires and wheels, you will get the new tires and wheels for about half the cost of simply buying new tires. He'll I think this even beats BMW's tire and wheel insurance. :ROFL:
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